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Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:57 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:55 pm I have a town read on Mac, mostly because he can't really win as scum if he plays like this. His teammates are going to get trampled on and he'll get outed by mech or by "well, we're out of good exes, let's just get rid of the afk". I have seen him blitz out first post reads as scum before (in SI) and he did that with a specific eye to pocketing a specific person via meta. He is pocketing nobody in this game with this behavior. I also just remembered that he said in Bread Mafia he was going to take mafia lowkey for a while because of some arguments he got into in D1.

Then I 1000 posted as mafia in spiderverse

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:57 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:51 pm Oh yeah Nook is mafia
How long do you think it’ll take to shift meta expectations
Im not reading you this way for meta reasons. I'm reading you this way because you are Wanda, I am Vision and I can just feel you.

Wandavision spoilers

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:57 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:51 pm Oh yeah Nook is mafia
How long do you think it’ll take to shift meta expectations
Being in the same but, probably minimum of 2 years.

I’m gonna try for a month

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:58 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:51 pm Oh yeah Nook is mafia
How long do you think it’ll take to shift meta expectations
Im not reading you this way for meta reasons. I'm reading you this way because you are Wanda, I am Vision and I can just feel you.
Wandavision spoilers

Spoiler: show
so you’re saying I created you with my mind

Spoiler: show

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:58 pm**

Is this “someone gets mentioned and they suddenly appear” time

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:58 pm**

Grogu le towan

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:58 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:51 pm Oh yeah Nook is mafia
How long do you think it’ll take to shift meta expectations
Im not reading you this way for meta reasons. I'm reading you this way because you are Wanda, I am Vision and I can just feel you.
Wandavision spoilers

Spoiler: show
so you’re saying I created you with my mind

Spoiler: show
I am your deepest desire

Well you didn’t need a convoluted metaphor for that

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:58 pm Is this “someone gets mentioned and they suddenly appear” time

Yeah these pop-ins are great!

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm**

i think that rej is trying to replicate a very specific dynamic that he has with poison, and doesnt know what to do beyond that

that's the sense i've gotten from his posts, anyway

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm**

Jack prob towan

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm i think that rej is trying to replicate a very specific dynamic that he has with poison, and doesnt know what to do beyond that

that's the sense i've gotten from his posts, anyway

at any rate, it implies to me that rej/poison arent w/w. i think poison is tonally towny regardless too

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm**

If this is Mac trying some radical new afk strategy to reverse psychology me into townreading him then so be it. I'll let myself get pocketed and he'll get outed eventually and lose. AFK Mac is not deepwolf Mac.

Also after he got past the Alison/Sloonei tunnel his reads are actually good. He suspects ChopChop, Rej, nook, Marmot, and his townreads are Urist, SPF and Falcon. I don't fully agree with these reads but they're not unreasonable and the most important ones are there.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm**

Kza wolf here

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm**

Changing to lc mafia dom town daisy mafia

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm If this is Mac trying some radical new afk strategy to reverse psychology me into townreading him then so be it. I'll let myself get pocketed and he'll get outed eventually and lose. AFK Mac is not deepwolf Mac.

Also after he got past the Alison/Sloonei tunnel his reads are actually good. He suspects ChopChop, Rej, nook, Marmot, and his townreads are Urist, SPF and Falcon. I don't fully agree with these reads but they're not unreasonable and the most important ones are there.

what's your take on nanook atm?

i cant think of a single post from him in this game that i would characterize as towny. that concerns me because i thought he was obvious town from the near moments that bread mafia started

and i dont think the difference is solely effort - nanook has been posting a reasonable amount today and i just havent seen it yet

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm**

I legitimately think Rej vanishing into thin air when under pressure is outing for him. His tone D1 with the attempt at being overly chill and the use of skeptical emojis to cast shade on attacks against him is congruent with his play in Space Invaders. The argument that he was saved EOD1 checks out.

Rej is scum and should be shot by a vigilante tonight.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:02 pm**

Poison not town Kyle prob somewhat towm

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm**

Tsp too many posts to be town

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm If this is Mac trying some radical new afk strategy to reverse psychology me into townreading him then so be it. I'll let myself get pocketed and he'll get outed eventually and lose. AFK Mac is not deepwolf Mac.

Also after he got past the Alison/Sloonei tunnel his reads are actually good. He suspects ChopChop, Rej, nook, Marmot, and his townreads are Urist, SPF and Falcon. I don't fully agree with these reads but they're not unreasonable and the most important ones are there.

I'm feeling the same way, although we'll see about the Sloonei tunnel.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm**

My reads are great

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm I legitimately think Rej vanishing into thin air when under pressure is outing for him. His tone D1 with the attempt at being overly chill and the use of skeptical emojis to cast shade on attacks against him is congruent with his play in Space Invaders. The argument that he was saved EOD1 checks out.

Rej is scum and should be shot by a vigilante tonight.

What if we lynch him and watch how players react to the wagon?

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:50 pm @Alison who is the obvwolf?
ChopChop. Rej.

Dom and Epignosis are in the running. They've both been afk D2 and were in the deepwolf position D1.

Rej has completely vanished like he did in Space Invaders where he got caught instantly which is exactly the same as what's happening right now.

Oh yeah.

Epignosis has to be Enclave if he's a deep wolf. Otherwise only way he's scum is if there's an individual town sub-faction wincon against him.

I won't be immediately explaining how I got that mech info.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm If this is Mac trying some radical new afk strategy to reverse psychology me into townreading him then so be it. I'll let myself get pocketed and he'll get outed eventually and lose. AFK Mac is not deepwolf Mac.

Also after he got past the Alison/Sloonei tunnel his reads are actually good. He suspects ChopChop, Rej, nook, Marmot, and his townreads are Urist, SPF and Falcon. I don't fully agree with these reads but they're not unreasonable and the most important ones are there.
I'm feeling the same way, although we'll see about the Sloonei tunnel.

See what about it!

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm If this is Mac trying some radical new afk strategy to reverse psychology me into townreading him then so be it. I'll let myself get pocketed and he'll get outed eventually and lose. AFK Mac is not deepwolf Mac.

Also after he got past the Alison/Sloonei tunnel his reads are actually good. He suspects ChopChop, Rej, nook, Marmot, and his townreads are Urist, SPF and Falcon. I don't fully agree with these reads but they're not unreasonable and the most important ones are there.
what's your take on nanook atm?

i cant think of a single post from him in this game that i would characterize as towny. that concerns me because i thought he was obvious town from the near moments that bread mafia started

and i dont think the difference is solely effort - nanook has been posting a reasonable amount today and i just havent seen it yet

I don't have one. None of his posts have inspired strong feelings in me. Historically my read on nanook has been ~rand so I'm going to focus on reading other people, finding out who I can trust, and letting those trustworthy players sort nanook for me. Nook is the kind of player that I vastly prefer to resolve via cop check or similar.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm I legitimately think Rej vanishing into thin air when under pressure is outing for him. His tone D1 with the attempt at being overly chill and the use of skeptical emojis to cast shade on attacks against him is congruent with his play in Space Invaders. The argument that he was saved EOD1 checks out.

Rej is scum and should be shot by a vigilante tonight.
What if we lynch him and watch how players react to the wagon?

his wagon has plenty of room

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm If this is Mac trying some radical new afk strategy to reverse psychology me into townreading him then so be it. I'll let myself get pocketed and he'll get outed eventually and lose. AFK Mac is not deepwolf Mac.

Also after he got past the Alison/Sloonei tunnel his reads are actually good. He suspects ChopChop, Rej, nook, Marmot, and his townreads are Urist, SPF and Falcon. I don't fully agree with these reads but they're not unreasonable and the most important ones are there.
what's your take on nanook atm?

i cant think of a single post from him in this game that i would characterize as towny. that concerns me because i thought he was obvious town from the near moments that bread mafia started

and i dont think the difference is solely effort - nanook has been posting a reasonable amount today and i just havent seen it yet

Is this

I mean it’s fair to scumread me I guess

But idk how you can compare my effort here to my effort in bread mafia and be like “yeah these are roughly equivalent”

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm**

Remember i started the rej flashwagon

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:05 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm Changing to lc mafia dom town daisy mafia

Is it within Daisy's scum range to fake the whole freakout that scum is trying to fish for her role and notice that ChopChop left out Esooa in the message?

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:05 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm If this is Mac trying some radical new afk strategy to reverse psychology me into townreading him then so be it. I'll let myself get pocketed and he'll get outed eventually and lose. AFK Mac is not deepwolf Mac.

Also after he got past the Alison/Sloonei tunnel his reads are actually good. He suspects ChopChop, Rej, nook, Marmot, and his townreads are Urist, SPF and Falcon. I don't fully agree with these reads but they're not unreasonable and the most important ones are there.
I'm feeling the same way, although we'll see about the Sloonei tunnel.
See what about it!

It looks like you're going in alphabetical and haven't gotten to him yet.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:05 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:58 pm Is this “someone gets mentioned and they suddenly appear” time

I guess

Though if it relates to me I think from skimming my name was brought up quite a few times in the last 14 hours or so.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:05 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:59 pm If this is Mac trying some radical new afk strategy to reverse psychology me into townreading him then so be it. I'll let myself get pocketed and he'll get outed eventually and lose. AFK Mac is not deepwolf Mac.

Also after he got past the Alison/Sloonei tunnel his reads are actually good. He suspects ChopChop, Rej, nook, Marmot, and his townreads are Urist, SPF and Falcon. I don't fully agree with these reads but they're not unreasonable and the most important ones are there.
what's your take on nanook atm?

i cant think of a single post from him in this game that i would characterize as towny. that concerns me because i thought he was obvious town from the near moments that bread mafia started

and i dont think the difference is solely effort - nanook has been posting a reasonable amount today and i just havent seen it yet
Is this

I mean it’s fair to scumread me I guess

But idk how you can compare my effort here to my effort in bread mafia and be like “yeah these are roughly equivalent”

i dont think theyre equivalent - im just saying that i dont think the reason im struggling to find you is ~just~ because your effort is lower. you're still a reasonably active presence in this game

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm Remember i started the rej flashwagon

Yah what happened to my townshield

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm I legitimately think Rej vanishing into thin air when under pressure is outing for him. His tone D1 with the attempt at being overly chill and the use of skeptical emojis to cast shade on attacks against him is congruent with his play in Space Invaders. The argument that he was saved EOD1 checks out.

Rej is scum and should be shot by a vigilante tonight.
What if we lynch him and watch how players react to the wagon?

I am ok with exeing Rej and vigging ChopChop.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm**

I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:07 pm**

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:05 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:58 pm Is this “someone gets mentioned and they suddenly appear” time
I guess

Though if it relates to me I think from skimming my name was brought up quite a few times in the last 14 hours or so.

You, Rej, Nanook, and Mac all did it in the last hour or so.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:07 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm Changing to lc mafia dom town daisy mafia
Is it within Daisy's scum range to fake the whole freakout that scum is trying to fish for her role and notice that ChopChop left out Esooa in the message?

if it is, then i think she'd be angling to get chopchop chopped (that's an awesome sentence) instead of hedging on his alignment and getting worried about him being town

i think daisy is probably town regardless of chop's alignment

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:07 pm**

I don't really think nanook can/should be read based on effort. I am convinced that the amount of effort he puts into a game is entirely predicated on his mood and entirely unaffected by his alignment.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:08 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm I legitimately think Rej vanishing into thin air when under pressure is outing for him. His tone D1 with the attempt at being overly chill and the use of skeptical emojis to cast shade on attacks against him is congruent with his play in Space Invaders. The argument that he was saved EOD1 checks out.

Rej is scum and should be shot by a vigilante tonight.
What if we lynch him and watch how players react to the wagon?
I am ok with exeing Rej and vigging ChopChop.

Is there another vig?

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:08 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm Changing to lc mafia dom town daisy mafia
Is it within Daisy's scum range to fake the whole freakout that scum is trying to fish for her role and notice that ChopChop left out Esooa in the message?

Quote plz

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me

this is true, but it doesn't really impact the way i'm reading you in this game. i thought you were obvious town within your first 10 posts in bread mafia. i do not feel the same way about you in this game. i'm not sure how those two things are congruent unless you're just scum

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm**

Faking the freakout and the "aha! gotcha!" tone she initially had along with the sudden spinaround on ChopChop is difficult to do as scum. It is also a very devious thing to do. Daisy does not strike me as a devious scum player. If you seriously think Daisy is scum I believe you should also start brainstorming who the mastermind behind her is.

I think Daisy is just town though.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:07 pm I don't really think nanook can/should be read based on effort. I am convinced that the amount of effort he puts into a game is entirely predicated on his mood and entirely unaffected by his alignment.

I probably do tend to high post as town more, but yeah this is basically true life tends to have a larger effect on my effort than my alignment

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:04 pm Remember i started the rej flashwagon
Yah what happened to my townshield

Oh yeah. Here you go.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm Faking the freakout and the "aha! gotcha!" tone she initially had along with the sudden spinaround on ChopChop is difficult to do as scum. It is also a very devious thing to do. Daisy does not strike me as a devious scum player. If you seriously think Daisy is scum I believe you should also start brainstorming who the mastermind behind her is.

I think Daisy is just town though.

Ok

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm**

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me
this is true, but it doesn't really impact the way i'm reading you in this game. i thought you were obvious town within your first 10 posts in bread mafia. i do not feel the same way about you in this game. i'm not sure how those two things are congruent unless you're just scum

Idk maybe it’s cause they’re different games played at different times

That would be crazy tho

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm**

Daisy is a much better mafia player than you realise btw

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:08 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:03 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:01 pm I legitimately think Rej vanishing into thin air when under pressure is outing for him. His tone D1 with the attempt at being overly chill and the use of skeptical emojis to cast shade on attacks against him is congruent with his play in Space Invaders. The argument that he was saved EOD1 checks out.

Rej is scum and should be shot by a vigilante tonight.
What if we lynch him and watch how players react to the wagon?
I am ok with exeing Rej and vigging ChopChop.
Is there another vig?

idk but there's a bunch of potential vigs in the setup so I hope there's at least one. if chopchop doesn't get vigged tonight, we exe him tomorrow. if he's scum he's messenger scum so it's not like he's holding any important abilities.

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:09 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:06 pm I have like 60 posts over a day and a half that’s not much compared to what you’re used to seeing from me
this is true, but it doesn't really impact the way i'm reading you in this game. i thought you were obvious town within your first 10 posts in bread mafia. i do not feel the same way about you in this game. i'm not sure how those two things are congruent unless you're just scum
Idk maybe it’s cause they’re different games played at different times

That would be crazy tho

maybe

maybe youre just scum tho

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:11 pm**

If your standard for reading me is “if he isn’t obvs town in 10 posts he’s mafia” you’re gonna scumread me most of the time

Posted: **Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:11 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:10 pm Daisy is a much better mafia player than you realise btw

Okay.

Let's say it's within her scum range then. Why is she scum here?

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