The Syndicate

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:59 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:14 pm I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

I agree that Scotty's handling of dunya isn't great, which is why I want to flip dunya.

Urist I townread for raisins, but that has dwindled over the last page or so. He went from wanting to kill dunya to wanting to kill Me/Jack/TSP for pushing dunia, and I don't know why.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:31 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:06 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:23 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:21 am And Dunya absolutely positively uses ATE as scum while insisting it isn't ATE. It's arguably her go to wolf play. That she doesn't do that as scum is just a silly assertion.

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

My bad. But she does.

do you have an example of a game where she did this?

viewtopic.php?p=410194#p410194

thanks, just wanted to confirm you weren't just making up the read / echoing syn.

Urist: I think Dunya is town because I don't think she'd use ATE as scum.
Jack: She totally would.
Urist: Prove it!
Jack: Here is her using heavy ATE as a scum
Urist: Okay, I was just testing you. I will not change my townread on Dunya even though my reasoning for townreading Dunya was proven wrong

Totes not wolves together, folks.

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:01 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:59 pm Call me dense but I fail to see how Dunya being targetted with things N1 is alignment indicative in the least. She lead a wagon on a townie and had moderate suspicion leveled against her during the day. Townies will target her regardless of alignment and wolves probably wouldn't target her if she's town except maybe with a single thousand cuts in case she self clears.

So I don't see how knowing what she was targetted with does anything for her alignment. Or does anything after the fact if we flip her.

it doesn't, but if she flips w it means that everyone who targetted her looks very good. which i like

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:04 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:02 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:59 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:14 pm I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

I agree that Scotty's handling of dunya isn't great, which is why I want to flip dunya.

Urist I townread for raisins, but that has dwindled over the last page or so. He went from wanting to kill dunya to wanting to kill Me/Jack/TSP for pushing dunia, and I don't know why.

This is literally just a reason to lynch Scotty.
Scotty is probably always Mafia regardless of Duyna's alignment. It's either a bus or just scum pushing Town.

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:04 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:55 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:47 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:31 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:08 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:06 pm

Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:23 am

i've asked for confirmation / evidence of this and nobody responded

My bad. But she does.

do you have an example of a game where she did this?

viewtopic.php?p=410194#p410194

thanks, just wanted to confirm you weren't just making up the read / echoing syn.

Urist: I think Dunya is town because I don't think she'd use ATE as scum.
Jack: She totally would.
Urist: Prove it!
Jack: Here is her using heavy ATE as a scum
Urist: Okay, I was just testing you. I will not change my townread on Dunya even though my reasoning for townreading Dunya was proven wrong

Totes not wolves together, folks.

i'm sorry if i represented the AtE thing as a major reason for thinking dunya is town. it never was.
the main reason is peoples' treatment of the wagon. especially marmot, who has been going back and forth a bunch between voting her for info, calling her mafia, trying to spearhead the wilgy yeet for her, then going back to calling her mafia.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:00 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:59 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 12:14 pm I'm shocked anyone town read me in either of those games lol.

I dunno, I agree with Jack, I've lock townread you in Team Fortress and another game where you were town (I think it was Fortune of Lies)

Heya, Marmot and @TonyStarkPrime

Take a look at Scotty's and Urist's posts wrt Dunya and tell me how wolf indicative you think they are or aren't.

Same for HK, though I think his are much less so, personally.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:22 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:49 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:33 am w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:22 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:49 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:33 am w!dunia could pick someone besides scotty or lp for competing cases as a means of generating wifom

if she flips wolf, we'll spend future chops wasting them on scotty and lp because she advocated so heavily for their wagons to dissipate

i associate dunia's wolf game with a) an overarching agenda and b) strategic usage of AtE and camaraderie to receive personality-based town reads

b was present, but a was not

is the above significant enough to count as a?

a) is totes present in this game. A lot of Dunya's vote shifts have seemed agenday to me. Either to nudge things away from potential teammates (notably Scotty), towards potential misyeets (notably Wilgy) or just to change up the topic when things have settled down in a place that's bad for her (though tbf, there is motivation for that kind of switch as a townie). Like, the vote changes from Dunya don't feel like natural "I am a townie and I have seen a thing that causes me to change a read that causes me to change a vote" votes. They feel not like a good guy solving a puzzle but a bad guy making moves on a chessboard.

Why notably me?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:10 pm I have waffled all over dunya today though. I mean, I haven't fully returned to townreading her, but my conviction that she is mafia has definitely waned at times. Even now, my main argument for elimming her is for thread state progression, not because I'm convinced she's scum.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:10 pm Wilgy you were one vote away from hammer for like 3 min yesterday due to Dunya

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:10 pm I have waffled all over dunya today though. I mean, I haven't fully returned to townreading her, but my conviction that she is mafia has definitely waned at times. Even now, my main argument for elimming her is for thread state progression, not because I'm convinced she's scum.

Stop helping lol.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:10 pm I have waffled all over dunya today though. I mean, I haven't fully returned to townreading her, but my conviction that she is mafia has definitely waned at times. Even now, my main argument for elimming her is for thread state progression, not because I'm convinced she's scum.

Stop helping lol.

Stop setting me up to take the fall if dunya flips town

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:13 pm Concerning that I think Dunya doesn’t have any obvious partners on the LP wagon

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Scotty, Possibly

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:14 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Scotty, Possibly

Last one was me. I just think dunya is town here (I am coming to LP too smh).
Will you vote TSP with me?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:14 pm We're not gonna end with tied wagons, today, anyway. Somebody is gonna get hammered like 2-40 min from eod.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:14 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Scotty, Possibly

Last one was me. I just think dunya is town here (I am coming to LP too smh).
Will you vote TSP with me?

Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:14 pm We're not gonna end with tied wagons, today, anyway. Somebody is gonna get hammered like 2-40 min from eod.

I can't believe that you'd maj with a full 2 minutes left in day smh a majjed minute is a wasted minute

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:15 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

And Syn.

But here's the thing. Tony, NAA and Syn are all town.

But okay, that's like a fair perspective to have fypov, which was the point of me asking.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:18 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:15 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:11 pm Again I'm 99% confident with the fact that people are actively trying to balance the votes these are both Town wagons.
Nanook runs the rule that ties are decided by Mafia not randomed. So the fact there is an active effort to tie the wagons is very telling.

Who is trying to tie the wagons?

Like everyone.
Scotty has been switching between me and Duyna all day.
Same with TSP and NAA.
Wilgy and Petit have both been voting vanity and switching to me/duyna occasionally.
At least 3 of these have to be Mafia there is just no real way that Town are trying to keep votes tied.

And Syn.

But here's the thing. Tony, NAA and Syn are all town.

But okay, that's like a fair perspective to have fypov, which was the point of me asking.

And why do you think that?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 17, 2022 1:17 pm Chicken if you think Dunya is town I can’t bebwagoned today