Cartomancy [Game Over]

[tutuu]

Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

[Creature]

So what's your current world view @Creature? Hit me up dood.

I find it hard to believe town is imploding by itself while wolves are just sitting. I think the leadership is rotten (SPF is one I had in mind) and subtly nudging us into bad wagons while denying the wagons on actual wolves. I also think some of the wolves not part of the leadership are players who have been just acritically put as town (like Bereft and Dennis and maybe Porscha) and have been barely touched this game.

Honestly I'm struggling to find a towny person. Seanzie is the only player I'm townreading by myself besides lucy. sig I also started townreading because someone (ironically I think it was SPF) pointed their actions yesterday didn't make sense from a wolf PoV. Then there's also tutuu which I thought was having a good initiative which got me to my gamestate read (see first paragraph) but I'm still worried tutuu could just be powerwolfing.

Then there's the pool of Sabi/Jack/Wilgy(/and also me) which I see being pushed a lot. I think there might have one or two wolves here but I'm scared of pushing here because that's just following the exact same path that led us to three mislynches and it's leading us to a fourth mislynch.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

What are you even doing? Like I am wracking my brain for a world where your mindset as a townie when it’s D4 with no dead wolves and we have 2 misyeets left and no consensus and like…this is the way town Tutuu reacts to that situation. Not just this. Your last like six posts. You read like a wolf who is having fun cause she’s winning and is feeling no pressure and thinks she can power through.

@Sabiplz
@MacDougall
@sig

Ya’ll too.

I feel like Tutuu’s mindset here can’t come from a townie, here. Follow me or argue or get outted or whatever.

[Creature]

Wait we have 2 misyeets left??? Crap.

no lol

mafia can stop 2 chops

theres also doctor card

and vengeful

a lot of variations but its potentially LyLo today

then we're pretty fucked

yea the moment roxy flipped what she wasn't supposed to flip it was gg

There's no point in blaming them. The Alison wagon was atrocious and I still haven't figured how the fingersplints wagon happened.

[tutuu]

oh im not blaming anyone!

that like an emotionally-neutral observation

[Jackofhearts2005]

Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

Nah. I think I can cheer myself up by yeeting a wolf.

[tutuu]

anyway creature i like ur playstyle, and i rly like ur sense of humor, i like how ur keeping ur wim up.

earlier i gave u a boost, now u gave one to me

best friends forever

ok, ill keep my wim up. it helps that ur also seeing dennis and bereft as mafia, it helps me a ton

[Creature]

i like u @Creature thanks for keeping it real

Yeah tbh you gave me some motivation back and I'm still grateful for it even if you turn out to be wolf just abusing my helplessness. It would also be really funny if you turned out to be Askthepizzaguy.

Anyway, I think most large wagons were on town this game and hence why I think wolves got fair control of the threadstate.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Meanwhile in wolfchat…

Spoiler: show

Tutuu: I need to pocket SOMEONE
Creature: Yeah but I’m on your team

[tutuu]

Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

Nah. I think I can cheer myself up by yeeting a wolf.

u couldnt find a wolf even if u were surrounded by nothing but wolves, kiddo. ud probably call urself a wolf

[tutuu]

i like u @Creature thanks for keeping it real

Yeah tbh you gave me some motivation back and I'm still grateful for it even if you turn out to be wolf just abusing my helplessness. It would also be really funny if you turned out to be Askthepizzaguy.

Anyway, I think most large wagons were on town this game and hence why I think wolves got fair control of the threadstate.

<3

Meanwhile in wolfchat…

Spoiler: show

Tutuu: I need to pocket SOMEONE
Creature: Yeah but I’m on your team

This one was pretty funny, thanks for being original and not copying my humor for once!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

Nah. I think I can cheer myself up by yeeting a wolf.

u couldnt find a wolf even if u were surrounded by nothing but wolves, kiddo. ud probably call urself a wolf

@staypositivefriend
@MacDougall
@falcon45ca
@Seanzie
@Porscha
@sig
@Sabiplz
@lucy
@Bereft

How can ya’ll read this as anything but a wolf taunting a townie?

[tutuu]

[VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

[Creature]

anyway creature i like ur playstyle, and i rly like ur sense of humor, i like how ur keeping ur wim up.

earlier i gave u a boost, now u gave one to me

best friends forever

ok, ill keep my wim up. it helps that ur also seeing dennis and bereft as mafia, it helps me a ton

tbh I don't have much to lose. If the other names in the holy consensus POE turn out to be wolves then lol me.

[DrWilgy]

Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

My brother, I do believe I've elaborated that I see what you are saying but am afraid to be wrong. What is your opinion here? Am I incorrect to pursue more data on Tutuu by desiring a solve on Sig/Creature?

[tutuu]

uh-oh i might have went over the post cap. let me count

[Jackofhearts2005]

Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

My brother, I do believe I've elaborated that I see what you are saying but am afraid to be wrong. What is your opinion here? Am I incorrect to pursue more data on Tutuu by desiring a solve on Sig/Creature?

Kinda? Maybe?

Like…I appreciate you saying you see it but I feel like it’s gotten more blatant.

Also, didn’t we switch from
Jack: Creature or Tutuu
Wilgy: Tutuu or Sig
To
Jack: Tutuu or Creature
Wilgy: Creature or Sig

How did that happen right when I started pointing out Tutuu being wolfy?

Like I can’t think of wolf motivation for that switch, especially if Creature and Tutuu are both wolves anyway but ya know

[Jackofhearts2005]

There are 9 townies left. 5 wolves.

Almost always town - Jack, Lucy, SPF, Falcon, Bereft
Strong chance of being town - Dennis, Seanzie, Mac
Not wolfy but running out of town slots - Sabi, Wilgy, Sig, Porsha
Almost always wolves - Creature, Tutuu

Everything is in order of towniest to wolfiest except the four player null/poe pile.

Ftr, Mac moved back up as counterweight to Tutuu zooming downwards and iirc two of my townreads expressing continued confidence in town Mac. I still have issues with some of Mac’s play. Idk. I don’t think it ever matters today and I kinda just wanna just let it ride and work with Mac or have Mac bus.

But like….you can see how I really really want those 4 players to get on board with my worldview or fight me so as to alignment tell right now.

[DrWilgy]

Getting massively tilted at my townreads being here, me making a point and then they all disappear without addressing it except Bereft.

My brother, I do believe I've elaborated that I see what you are saying but am afraid to be wrong. What is your opinion here? Am I incorrect to pursue more data on Tutuu by desiring a solve on Sig/Creature?

Kinda? Maybe?

Like…I appreciate you saying you see it but I feel like it’s gotten more blatant.

Also, didn’t we switch from
Jack: Creature or Tutuu
Wilgy: Tutuu or Sig
To
Jack: Tutuu or Creature
Wilgy: Creature or Sig

How did that happen right when I started pointing out Tutuu being wolfy?

Like I can’t think of wolf motivation for that switch, especially if Creature and Tutuu are both wolves anyway but ya know

So, when I said this, it was mainly due to Tutuu/Sig not being aligned. Idk if I expressed properly that this doesn't make me sure of a dif check, but I'm growing more confident in it slowly.

My perspective on Creature/Sig being a team and both wolves hasn't really changed. I don't THINK that I'm wrong on them, but that being the case invalidates the Tutuu suspicion.

I recognize that I may be wrong, and Tutuu may be the wolf, but even with what Tutuu is doing now (which I think justifies your position), I am not good enough at reading the Tutuu without associative data.

[Sabiplz]

Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why are Tutuu and Sig not aligned though?

To be in a wolf of where Tutuu is mafia and Sig and you are both town, there needs to be a wolf in my 6 top townreads.

Which isn’t impossible but maybe unlikely? Idk.

[Sabiplz]

No resistance to tutuu or creature wagon tho idk

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.

[Sabiplz]

Jack still hasn't explained the game from his pov yet

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack still hasn't explained the game from his pov yet

I will do that right now if you’ll look at Tutuu or confess.

[Sabiplz]

Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.

I am struggling to see both of your pov in that argument.

[DrWilgy]

Why are Tutuu and Sig not aligned though?

To be in a wolf of where Tutuu is mafia and Sig and you are both town, there needs to be a wolf in my 6 top townreads.

Which isn’t impossible but maybe unlikely? Idk.

Because I don't think W Tutuu puts their teammate directly behind the easy yeet in this following quote:

Final post for this day phase i jave work & wanna go 2 bed early

My legacy:

I think ROXY and SIG are outed and consensus mafia in anti-spewing

I think CREATURE, FALCON, PORSCHA are the final 3 mafia, all have various degrees of townreads on them (ive cased everyone earlier in d3)

JACK is my least confident townread, if im wrong earlier, get JACK

WILGY im more confident in townreading but his standing with everyone isnt good. If im wrong earlier, get WILGY but i much rather u kill in order

Everyone else i believe is considered consesus town / towncore

ROXY > SIG > CREATURE > FALCON > PORSCHA > JACK > WILGY is my preferred order of chops if i was all powerful and could control the chop from the grave

If town gets the doctor card tonight pls consider using it on me

Dont flashwagon anyone. ROXY is in anti spewing. Dont throw the game

Good luck and godspeed

P.S.: dont trust CREATURE'S bullshit that he cant be mafia with SIG and ROXY. Their "scumreads" on each other were terrible, awkward and are what made me think theyre mafia in the first place. Distancing is a concept thats well known to all of us

Also I don't think Sig moves to the Tutuu wagon last cycle if they were aligned.

While Tutuu was unlikely to go over, I think Sig would rather just avoid potential bussing if unneeded. This is exactly why Sig voting Tutuu over Creature makes no sense given the context that Sig though Roxy was a wiff.

[DrWilgy]

Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

there are 4 other wolves and the PoE is still large? Seems like a silly statement my friend.

[DrWilgy]

Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.

I am struggling to see both of your pov in that argument.

he is quite charming.

[Sabiplz]

Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

there are 4 other wolves and the PoE is still large? Seems like a silly statement my friend.

I'm aware but I'm the only one voting him while everyone else in poe has had their fair share if votes at fast today.

Idk what that says about his alignment

[Jackofhearts2005]

@Sabiplz

The following movie is based on a true story. The order of events has been changed and some events have been removed for dramatic effect/because my memory isn't that great/I skipped some pages.

Once upon a time, there was a nice group of people who liked children's card games but five of them were actually wolves.

On the first day, Alison was really scummy, practically mirroring her performance in king of the hill. SPF and Mac were pushing Creature for reasons that I forget but that seemed smart at the time but Jack didn't feel like yeeting Creature because Creature is generally easy to read and he figured they'd be sure post D1. SPF and Falcon especially seemed townie. Alison in particular pushed on Roxy and Jack. FS made a bit of a funny read like "I think A and B are T/T but actually vote B." It wasn't that but it was something like that, the kind of thing that you could read as dishonest without squinting too hard. So FS got flash wagoned and flipped town. Oh yeah and at some point, Lucy claimed oracle, a confirmed town role.

Then the night immediately ended because of a special card.

Jack was annoyed that FS had been yeeted because he had defended FS a bit D1 and also, didn't feel like FS had been discussed much at all while he was around. He voted Alison, as did several other players. Alison said that she believed Jack was town because if he was a wolf lol what was he even doing but that Roxy was still definately a wolf. The day ended immediately because of another special card. Alison as yeeted and fliped town.

Yet another special card redirected absolutely everything, including the mafia nk, which hit Neon, who flipped town.

At this point, it as no longer D1 and Creature was obviously not in his town meta. The meta case that SPF had made on Creature (something like wolves not jumping on universal suspicion of Creature being super sus) was in full force. Creature was not complaining or doing anything, really. Mac, SPF and Tutuu emerged as something of a towncore. Mac and SPF suspected Jack but also Creature (Mac jumped back and forth a bit on these reads iirc) and I guess also Roxy. And maybe so did Tutuu? Roxy took her ball and went home. Jack stated a strong scumread on Creature but didn't really have much on Roxy besides Alison's say so. In an effort to get SPF to stop tunneling him and especially to not derail a strong town read, Jack said that he'd let SPF or Tutuu control his vote. Tutuu told Jack to vote Roxy. SPF initially liked this move from Jack but later decided it was a pocket attempt. SPF voted iirc Creature and Jack asked if he should move there but she didn't ever answer him. Eventually, Roxy was yeeted and flipped town. Fuckadoodle. Somewhere along the lines, Rondo claimed oracle but didn't push Lucy. Most players seemed to take this as just Rondo fucking around and paid it no attention but Rondo used it to OMGUS push players who pushed him and Sig pushed us to yeet Rondo for obviously lying about a CC.

Then the wolves shot Rondo.

So.

The question became "If the towncore of Tutuu, Mac, SPF is town, why tf are wolves killing a null to town player like Rondo?" Then SPF and Tutuu got in a fight and wagonomics said Bereft was always town and Tutuu kinda exploded with obvious wolf pov and Creature just kept mehing along without doing any of his normal town Creature thing.

And then nobody listened to Jack even though he was totes right this time, I promise.

The end.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.

I am struggling to see both of your pov in that argument.

Where wolf? There wolf.

Sabi crashes harder than me playing Wings of Fury.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why is Jack being in poe but people reluctant to voting there?

Because I’m an unyeetable townie and I’m oh so charming.

Please read my recent exchanges with Tutuu and give me your thoughts.

I am struggling to see both of your pov in that argument.

Where wolf? There wolf.

Sabi crashes harder than me playing Wings of Fury.

Tutuu: blahblidyblahbidyblahwolfystuff
Jack: My pov is that Tutuu's pov is wolfy. I don't see how a townie would have Tutuu's pov.
Sabi: I do not understand either Jack or Sabi's pov. I don't see how a townie would have Tutuu's pov and I also don't see how a townie would think "I don't see how a townie would have Tutuu's pov."

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why are Tutuu and Sig not aligned though?

To be in a wolf of where Tutuu is mafia and Sig and you are both town, there needs to be a wolf in my 6 top townreads.

Which isn’t impossible but maybe unlikely? Idk.

Because I don't think W Tutuu puts their teammate directly behind the easy yeet in this following quote:

Final post for this day phase i jave work & wanna go 2 bed early

My legacy:

I think ROXY and SIG are outed and consensus mafia in anti-spewing

I think CREATURE, FALCON, PORSCHA are the final 3 mafia, all have various degrees of townreads on them (ive cased everyone earlier in d3)

JACK is my least confident townread, if im wrong earlier, get JACK

WILGY im more confident in townreading but his standing with everyone isnt good. If im wrong earlier, get WILGY but i much rather u kill in order

Everyone else i believe is considered consesus town / towncore

ROXY > SIG > CREATURE > FALCON > PORSCHA > JACK > WILGY is my preferred order of chops if i was all powerful and could control the chop from the grave

If town gets the doctor card tonight pls consider using it on me

Dont flashwagon anyone. ROXY is in anti spewing. Dont throw the game

Good luck and godspeed

P.S.: dont trust CREATURE'S bullshit that he cant be mafia with SIG and ROXY. Their "scumreads" on each other were terrible, awkward and are what made me think theyre mafia in the first place. Distancing is a concept thats well known to all of us

Also I don't think Sig moves to the Tutuu wagon last cycle if they were aligned.

While Tutuu was unlikely to go over, I think Sig would rather just avoid potential bussing if unneeded. This is exactly why Sig voting Tutuu over Creature makes no sense given the context that Sig though Roxy was a wiff.

Neither Sig nor Tutuu were getting yeeted over Roxy or Creature yesterday. They can give each other whatever reads they like and I don't see that as particularly unaligned.

[MacDougall]

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

[Bereft]

The most ironic part of about this day is that we probably hit a mafia anyway by doing the zero brain nuke POE strategy.

[Jackofhearts2005]

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

What are you even doing? Like I am wracking my brain for a world where your mindset as a townie when it’s D4 with no dead wolves and we have 2 misyeets left and no consensus and like…this is the way town Tutuu reacts to that situation. Not just this. Your last like six posts. You read like a wolf who is having fun cause she’s winning and is feeling no pressure and thinks she can power through.

@Sabiplz
@MacDougall
@sig

Ya’ll too.

I feel like Tutuu’s mindset here can’t come from a townie, here. Follow me or argue or get outted or whatever.

I haven't been townreading Tutuu for quite some time. And I'm townreading you. So ... maybe your worldview should shift given that.

[MacDougall]

My reads are now

Town with confidence

SPF
Bereft
Jack
Lucy
Falcon
Porscha

Scum with confidence

Creature
Wilgy

3 scum here in order of most to least likely

Tutuu
Sabi
Sig
Dennis
Seanzie

[DrWilgy]

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

[MacDougall]

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

[DrWilgy]

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

[DrWilgy]

Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.

[MacDougall]

Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.

You are my top scum. I have zero agreement with any of your solve. I don't buy anything you are saying any time you actually attempt to solve. You townread my scumreads for no reason and are trying to solve using abstract world concepts instead of pointing out what is simply suspicious.

So no. Spare me.

[MacDougall]

aLsO lOl MaC LmAo RoFlBuRgEr

[Bereft]

I love the show the POE is putting on but I don't think I'd have a wolfteam if I took everything you guys have done at facevalue. Creature and Tutuu have been shouting their heads off about how they're not partnered and you're just the latest. As far as I'm concerned, I don't your or sig's play is particularly incompatible with just posting with TMI.

[DrWilgy]

Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.

You are my top scum. I have zero agreement with any of your solve. I don't buy anything you are saying any time you actually attempt to solve. You townread my scumreads for no reason and are trying to solve using abstract world concepts instead of pointing out what is simply suspicious.

So no. Spare me.

k, and just go ahead and keep calling me scum while not discussing with me those concepts you call abstract. By all means go for it. You have shown 0 incentive to actually engage with me and my world views, but somehow oppose them so much that I must be wolf.

[MacDougall]

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

Instead of making me figure out why I'm supposed to disassociate you why don't you give me the evidence to the contrary in an accessible format instead of just being snarky over some micro interaction I might have missed?

[MacDougall]

Also, lol Mac doesn't have a real read on me regardless of his own alignment.

You are my top scum. I have zero agreement with any of your solve. I don't buy anything you are saying any time you actually attempt to solve. You townread my scumreads for no reason and are trying to solve using abstract world concepts instead of pointing out what is simply suspicious.

So no. Spare me.

k, and just go ahead and keep calling me scum while not discussing with me those concepts you call abstract. By all means go for it. You have shown 0 incentive to actually engage with me and my world views, but somehow oppose them so much that I must be wolf.

Okay.

[DrWilgy]

@staypositivefriend what do you think of this solve?

tutuu
sabi
wilgy
sig
creature

This is my gth solve.

@MacDougall should I wait for SPF to chime in prior to responding to this one?

Go for it.

kk, so for both you and @Jackofhearts2005 how in the hell am I aligned with both sig and creature? Seems lazy.

Instead of making me figure out why I'm supposed to disassociate you why don't you give me the evidence to the contrary in an accessible format instead of just being snarky over some micro interaction I might have missed?

Literally read what I've posted today. How can I be your top scum read if you can't even do that?