The Syndicate

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.

Thanks You

LC, I don't have many cards to lay out, but lay them out I have. I say a lot of stupid shit, but I am not Epis teammate, and I was not Zombas teammate.

I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.

bwt, what stands out for you as evidence she is bad? I am reading her as civ this game but want to make sure I am looking at both sides of the issues.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.

Can you explain your suspicion again to me? perhaps you will switch back to the other side of the fence.
I don't buy that a baddie SVS would defend teammates like that. None of this is her baddie game. I'd bet on it.

SVS is bad. Denying this is absurd.

BIH Epi.

fingersplints wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.

Can you explain your suspicion again to me? perhaps you will switch back to the other side of the fence.
I don't buy that a baddie SVS would defend teammates like that. None of this is her baddie game. I'd bet on it.

Like you bet on Sophies baddie game?

rabbit8 wrote:SVS is bad. Denying this is absurd.

BIH Epi.

Absolutely not~ insisting on it it absurd, actually. Read the thread

S~V~S wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:SVS is bad. Denying this is absurd.

BIH Epi.

Absolutely not~ insisting on it it absurd, actually. Read the thread

Yes, I have, that's why I thought Epi and Zomba where baddies. Maybe you should read the thread?

I have. Have you?

S~V~S wrote:I have. Have you?

Now you're going to act like Zomba? Only you're reading the thread? Good lord.
I read you last night. I think you're bad. I know others will come around.

I have read the thread, but I plan on reading some of it again in preparation for tomorrow's discussion.

If Oliver Oliver remains with us, I am hoping he might pay me a call. We might have some profitable things to discuss.

Linki @Rabbit, no I am not acting like Zomba. You seem to be missing something staring you in the face. But OK

S~V~S wrote:If Oliver Oliver remains with us, I am hoping he might pay me a call. We might have some profitable things to discuss.

Linki @Rabbit, no I am not acting like Zomba. You seem to be missing something staring you in the face. But OK

Yeah, yeah Okay. Vagueness is unbecoming. Say what you got to say or quote it or it does not exist.

rabbit8 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.

Can you explain your suspicion again to me? perhaps you will switch back to the other side of the fence.
I don't buy that a baddie SVS would defend teammates like that. None of this is her baddie game. I'd bet on it.

Like you bet on Sophies baddie game?

When did I bet on Sophie?
Sophie said herself this was not her civvie game.

fingersplints wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.

Can you explain your suspicion again to me? perhaps you will switch back to the other side of the fence.
I don't buy that a baddie SVS would defend teammates like that. None of this is her baddie game. I'd bet on it.

Like you bet on Sophies baddie game?

When did I bet on Sophie?
Sophie said herself this was not her civvie game.

Considering you lead her lynch......I consider that you bet she was bad.

Everyone who ever played with Sophie thought she was bad. Then there were the people who did not think she was bad but voted for her anyhow.

S~V~S wrote:Everyone who ever played with Sophie thought she was bad. Then there were the people who did not think she was bad but voted for her anyhow.

I thought she was bad too. That's not my point. But I think you know that.

Because that is clearly the same meaning. Voting for someone isn't the same as saying I would bet that someone isn't bad. Smashpoints. Money. shoes perhaps since Liz will be needing some to eat

fingersplints wrote:Because that is clearly the same meaning. Voting for someone isn't the same as saying I would bet that someone isn't bad. Smashpoints. Money. shoes perhaps since Liz will be needing some to eat

I get what you and her are pushing, I don't know if I believe it.

juliets wrote:Congrats Long Con for doggedly pursuing this and Metalmarsh for nailing the nails into the coffin. Good work everyone! See you next game Epi.

this tbh

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.

I think I buy her story too.

tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK

I did vote Epig

S~V~S wrote:I did vote Epig

YEs but you spent a lot of time justifying why you might not.

S~V~S wrote:I did vote Epig

Yeah, but your defense of him was very....defensive....

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I did vote Epig

Yeah, but your defense of him was very....defensive....

do u have any suspicious suspicions?

I did not defend him; I said I was not sure he was bad. And I was not. But I saw something in something LC said. I think he is wrong about TH, but between what he said & what MM said, I decided to reread him. That is the point of case making, right? To change peoples minds? Well, I changed mine. I felt it more likely that someone other than him would curse me that way, and read the cases with a more open mind. Plus him kissing up to me with those "time to defend" lyrics that he posted kinda pissed me off~

Dom wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I did vote Epig

Yeah, but your defense of him was very....defensive....

do u have any suspicious suspicions?

I do still wonder about Canuklehead TBH.



Linky: and you did not defend Zomba.....we know, you could just not make up your mind....we know, ad nauseam.

Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

You know me so well. It would be better if you're a baddie, which I'm still unconvinced about you not being.

I read through the Golden SVS exchange about Zomba last night. I'm not sure I'm buying what you're selling in this post.

If anyone else has anything better I will listen, I have a sort of want to lynch SVS really bad mentality and sometimes it gets in the way. SVS, you know this.

I do <3

And dog walk/straighten up/bed time.

Once again, Oliver, lets talk

S~V~S wrote:Everyone who ever played with Sophie thought she was bad. Then there were the people who did not think she was bad but voted for her anyhow.

Not me.

No. No. No. No. No.

Don't mind me, just relieving myself.




Btw, nice job everyone. Thank you for believing LC and myself.

Putting the blame all on Golden for your turnaround is so... convenient.

S~V~S wrote:I did not defend him; I said I was not sure he was bad. And I was not. But I saw something in something LC said. I think he is wrong about TH, but between what he said & what MM said, I decided to reread him. That is the point of case making, right? To change peoples minds? Well, I changed mine. I felt it more likely that someone other than him would curse me that way, and read the cases with a more open mind. Plus him kissing up to me with those "time to defend" lyrics that he posted kinda pissed me off~

Why did you say I was bad, but list reasons to not vote Epig... why not vote me?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Everyone who ever played with Sophie thought she was bad. Then there were the people who did not think she was bad but voted for her anyhow.

Not me.

No. No. No. No. No.

Don't mind me, just relieving myself.


Btw, nice job everyone. Thank you for believing LC and myself.

this.

Long Con wrote:Putting the blame all on Golden for your turnaround is so... convenient.

Convenient that Golden is dead.

Long Con wrote:Putting the blame all on Golden for your turnaround is so... convenient.

Rabbit, is that you?

Simpatico!

Hey Long Con. If you don't mind me asking, did you get an item from the lynch of Epignosis?

I didn't get anything.

S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

I did not "lull" Golden into anything. You think I was working with Zomberella and then turned around and put the second vote on her? It would have made more sense for me to go along with Golden's "I think we can turn this lynch around" idea if that was the case. I don't buy into the whole "mafia could be throwing their teammates under the bus" theory, it has never made sense to me when it comes to an early vote. Later yes, I can see it, but in the first few votes almost a day before the lynch does not make any sense to me. Not unless they're the millionaire and even then that's pretty risky.


Wasn't fs the first vote for Epi?

I think I get what you're trying to hint at SVS but if that's the case why imply it was the item you had saving you rather than letting us think you were maybe Legga. Surely if that wasn't your role Legga wouldn't have minded people thinking it, until/unless someone tried to nightkill them. I've been baffled at the fact the mafia tried to kill you night 2 but then never pursued it again. The thing about Oliver Oliver is how does he know who he's talking to is telling him the truth?


I've been trying to get into Hedville but it's not letting me. I've been trying to find the Piano but it's not coming up in my searches. Did anyone ever play there? If so do you have a link? I know I stopped playing around 2009 or 10.


I'd like to put it out there my vote record is as such: I voted Zomberella Day 1. She wasn't the Millionaire so that would have pointless if I knew her role. bf/townie lynched.
Day 2, I missed the vote but I was pretty clear I wasn't on board with that MM lynch. MM /townie lynched
Day 3, I voted second for Zombarella (granted I was worried about myself) but she was lynched/mafia
Day 4, I thought that was a complete railroad of Sophie. I voted DP. He was n/k'ed so I assume he was townie but that was an odd kill. I wouldn't have been on board with it if I was mafia because he probably could have been easily lynched the next day.
Day 5, Voted 4th for Epi. It was a half-day until the vote-could have gone any which way. I posted my suspicion of him Day 2 and I never wavered from thinking he was probably mafia. Lynched/mafia.

I wasn't going to post that because I knew it would just be jumped on as WIFOM but I really got nothing much to lose at this point.

Wasn't fs the first vote for Epi?


That was supposed to be at the end of the last post in response to MM.

Epignosis was the killer right? So potentially, he would have had 3 items from killing players, plus 1 item from my lynch, plus 1 item that he got at the start of the game, his safe. That's a total of 5 items.

Since I did not receive an item from the lynch, that means that Epignosis had no more than 2 items, since player's items from a lynch are distributed to the players in order of votes. I am most interested in finding out here the bottle is, because my suspicion of TH hinges entirely on that. I realize this puts TH in a bad spot if this doesn't incriminate him, but he's not the only one.

I have the bottle.

Turnip Head wrote:I have the bottle.

Is there a message?

rabbit8 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I have the bottle.

Is there a message?

A message would make more sense than what the bottle actually does

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis was the killer right? So potentially, he would have had 3 items from killing players, plus 1 item from my lynch, plus 1 item that he got at the start of the game, his safe. That's a total of 5 items.

Since I did not receive an item from the lynch, that means that Epignosis had no more than 2 items, since player's items from a lynch are distributed to the players in order of votes. I am most interested in finding out here the bottle is, because my suspicion of TH hinges entirely on that. I realize this puts TH in a bad spot if this doesn't incriminate him, but he's not the only one.

I'm pretty sure that TH had already said he had the bottle. Not too sure how he got the bottle since I don't think he's a thieving role, but I am pretty sure it was mentioned with the curse.

Black Rock wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis was the killer right? So potentially, he would have had 3 items from killing players, plus 1 item from my lynch, plus 1 item that he got at the start of the game, his safe. That's a total of 5 items.

Since I did not receive an item from the lynch, that means that Epignosis had no more than 2 items, since player's items from a lynch are distributed to the players in order of votes. I am most interested in finding out here the bottle is, because my suspicion of TH hinges entirely on that. I realize this puts TH in a bad spot if this doesn't incriminate him, but he's not the only one.

I'm pretty sure that TH had already said he had the bottle. Not too sure how he got the bottle since I don't think he's a thieving role, but I am pretty sure it was mentioned with the curse.

I know, I know TH said that. But he could have lied about it to try to clear himself. If he and Epignosis are on the same team, I could certainly see them doing that. Let us also no forget that DP ended up with the elephant that your original role obtained. Since DP was killed Night 4, I am more inclined to believe that he stole it from Epignosis, and they killed him to keep him quiet about who he got the elephant from. I also think it is pretty evident at this point that DP was some sort of thief.

The first part of this theory is a big IF, but the rest of it is more likely.

Turnip Head wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:I have the bottle.

Is there a message?

A message would make more sense than what the bottle actually does

Indeed.

And after I think about it more, I do think you are telling the truth. But at this point, I don't see any harm in checking just to be safe.

I got nothing. Perhaps fingersplints got the safe WITH a few items in it?

Long Con wrote:I got nothing. Perhaps fingersplints got the safe WITH a few items in it?

Well, I guess that's not a big deal then if that's the case. I don't know if I should expect her to tell us what all the items are or not, if there was more than just the safe.

There is definitely the element of the missing items though. Epig should have the Two-Headed Elephant Charm. And a couple of others, I haven't looked to see what the people Epig killed had.

In addition to the safe Epignosis picked at the beginning, here are the other items that he should have obtained at some point in the game, along with their current location, if known.

Black Rock 1.0 ---> Two Headed Elephant - We know DP ended up with this though, so it is moot here
Metalmarsh89 1.0 ---> Bottle - TH claims to have it
Golden ---> Green Jade Hand - ???
DisgruntledPorcupine ---> Two-Headed Elephant - ??? / Possibly another item or two that DP stole if he was a thief - ???
Epignosis ---> Safe - fingersplints should have it, but ???

DP replaced Shep, so he also should have had the Ivory Ball.

Weird... where are these items??