Re: Ancient Greece Mafia [Day 3]
Posted: Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm
I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.
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Are you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.
you have like 4hours...Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.
I haven't read the last page but I have a good feeling about Kyle if that's what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pmAre you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.
That wasn't what I was askingJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pmI haven't read the last page but I have a good feeling about Kyle if that's what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pmAre you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.
She's being talked about but all the votes are going to LC/Lunalee. I just like to keep the votes in the poll distributed so there aren't any runaway bandwagons. I don't expect my vote to remain on her, but I want it there for right now the sake of discussion.
Then idk what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pmThat wasn't what I was askingJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pmI haven't read the last page but I have a good feeling about Kyle if that's what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pmAre you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.![]()
I'd agree with this if we weren't talking about LC.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pm the early defence posts people are quoting - LC re: Colin - are too frigging obvious to be scummate defences and actually make LC look better to me. no one defends that hard early in the game. I'm sorry to do this again, but LC has more experience than being that obvious imo.
I was asking if you were on the weed, man!Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:21 pmThen idk what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pmThat wasn't what I was askingJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pmI haven't read the last page but I have a good feeling about Kyle if that's what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pmAre you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.![]()
I'm on the clock, man!Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:22 pmI was asking if you were on the weed, man!Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:21 pmThen idk what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pmThat wasn't what I was askingJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pmI haven't read the last page but I have a good feeling about Kyle if that's what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pmAre you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.![]()
I agree. LC specifically, but also any person who is willing to make a bold move. "Too friggin obvious" is a good wifom move.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:22 pmI'd agree with this if we weren't talking about LC.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pm the early defence posts people are quoting - LC re: Colin - are too frigging obvious to be scummate defences and actually make LC look better to me. no one defends that hard early in the game. I'm sorry to do this again, but LC has more experience than being that obvious imo.
I wish I was...Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:22 pmI was asking if you were on the weed, man!Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:21 pmThen idk what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pmThat wasn't what I was askingJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:20 pmI haven't read the last page but I have a good feeling about Kyle if that's what you're asking.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pmAre you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.![]()
Sure. I guess I’m putting forth that LC looks the worst out of himself, Luna and dunya. I can see baddie interactions between Luna and LC, but it’s more circumstantial atm. I want to be right about LC before committing to LunaGolden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:15 pmThis could definitely be true...Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:13 pmAs devil’s advocate, even though I’ve been painting her bad in my mind since D1, her reads have been fluctuating. Call it opportunism or dynamic viewpoints, but I think that’s a sign of someone that is hunting, even if she’s not always putting all the transitions into her thoughts from post to post.
But her push for me came JUST after I voted LC. There is also the little matter of Colin voting for her. For me, if LC is bad, the links to both baddies are definitely there and I don't think they are easily ignored.
I agree.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:25 pmSure. I guess I’m putting forth that LC looks the worst out of himself, Luna and dunya. I can see baddie interactions between Luna and LC, but it’s more circumstantial atm. I want to be right about LC before committing to LunaGolden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:15 pmThis could definitely be true...Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:13 pmAs devil’s advocate, even though I’ve been painting her bad in my mind since D1, her reads have been fluctuating. Call it opportunism or dynamic viewpoints, but I think that’s a sign of someone that is hunting, even if she’s not always putting all the transitions into her thoughts from post to post.
But her push for me came JUST after I voted LC. There is also the little matter of Colin voting for her. For me, if LC is bad, the links to both baddies are definitely there and I don't think they are easily ignored.
Like 4 people said INH’s defense of Wilgy was too friggin obvious in GoC but it felt too defensive to me.Golden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:24 pmI agree. LC specifically, but also any person who is willing to make a bold move. "Too friggin obvious" is a good wifom move.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:22 pmI'd agree with this if we weren't talking about LC.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pm the early defence posts people are quoting - LC re: Colin - are too frigging obvious to be scummate defences and actually make LC look better to me. no one defends that hard early in the game. I'm sorry to do this again, but LC has more experience than being that obvious imo.
haha get it its cus kylemii casually and legally purchases and consumes marijuana based weed products on occasion hahahaGolden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pmAre you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.
The case against LC is not dependent upon Luna being bad. What are your thoughts on the case Scotty (I think it was Scotty...) put forward for LC?dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:06 pm I saw the Luna post that Scotty quoted. I could see Luna being scum, even though I don't have any experience with scum luna meta, but I don't see that post as an indication of being LC scummate? I really don't have time to see exactly when it happened but if it happened during the Colin/Sloonei tie time then she could have been trying to save Colin by placing a vote on Sloonei and forgot what she had said about LC.
I'm actually more inclined to vote Luna today than LC.
(I say that because I haven't looked into LC in depth yet and I'm lazy. I wake up at 7am and have a 2 hour lunch then finished work at 5.15pm then have another meeting in an hour over dinner. fuck my life atm).
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:28 pmhaha get it its cus kylemii casually and legally purchases and consumes marijuana based weed products on occasion hahahaGolden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pmAre you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.
LC probably town out of Dunya, Luna, LC.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:40 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
My townread on him has wilted and died
I'm happy for you but I'm more of a beer guy.Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:28 pmhaha get it its cus kylemii casually and legally purchases and consumes marijuana based weed products on occasion hahahaGolden wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:19 pmAre you hanging out with Kyle?Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:18 pm I'd vote Lunalee but it looks like the poll just closed. Oh well.
I haven't forgotten this point re dunya, which made Mac later put her as top town read. It does feel like a 'townslip', but not definitively.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:14 amYeah very strange that she took a post in which I was giving her credit and got angry about it. Doubt a scum would do that right? Scum would just be happy to have gotten the town points and let that one go through to the keeper?Golden wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:49 amHe did say he ultimately gave you town points.dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:05 amThis just is not true and I loathe that you are bringing down my entire scum meta to it when I have done that exactly twice in my entire mafia playing time. Once in Loneliness and Cheese on RYM (a strategic move on my part), and once in FE (because the whole team decided to buss each other). Saying that scum dunya always busses her teammates is incorrect and I refuse to let that stick on me. I have a reputation to maintain, ok?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:25 am Having looked back on dunya I see she had suspicions earlier in the day of players I came to suspect later. I am curious about it because my assumption is that a scum dunya would cast dispersions on her teammates to scoop up credit later but at the same time it isn't too dissimilar to why I pushed her incorrect lynch in Mortal Kombat. I give her some town points for this observation.
This is an interesting self-observation. What exactly do you consider bussing? What would you say your own position on bussing is, generally?
Does it hurt him to say this out loud if he's bad?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:45 pmIf he's mafia, he's not going to announce that to the thread, he's gonna put that in baddie chat to try and get all 3 league members to side with mafia.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:18 pmWhy do you feel this way?colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:13 pmSloonei
If he's a league member, he's gonna ask that on league chat.
Ergo, town.
This is the first time luna has addressed Colin in a meaningful way. It's an apology for not responding to his pressure. The advice from speedchuck is solid and I don't disagree with it but, another piece of advice for luna: sometimes it's hard for townies to hunt other players if they're not addressing concerns directed at themselves.Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:05 amCan I add input here? Sorry if you felt ignored Colin, but Speedchuck gave me some advice last game I played that it is more useful to town to analyze posts and scum hunt than repeatedly defend ones self. That is what I'm trying to do. And yes, I do realize the irony of this comment, but just wanted to throw that out.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 6:03 pmAre you implying that you had no attention to lynch her D1 ?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:33 pmThe game didn't end after the Day 1 lynch, did it?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:25 pmHow do you apply pressure with 8 minutes left before the deadline on someone with 1 vote ?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:19 pmI think there is a difference in game philosophy coming to light here. Voting off wagon has its benefits and I don't want to spell all of them out necessarily, but one is to apply pressure. I felt that lunalee's conduct was the most suspicious of anyone I'd ISO'd that day and certainly more suspicious than the others. And I would rather put pressure on someone who I think may be scum than kill someone who I don't see a case for. Sorry if you think that's bad play, but that's how it is and how it's gonna be.Golden wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 12:09 amMy objective is always to vote somewhere it can make a difference. I don't think there is ever any value in town voting off wagon, no matter how much you might think every wagon is civ. I don't care about breaking the tie - I'd have voted my biggest suspect of the three even if it created a tie.
Fairly vague defense of Colin. I feel worse about this post than the above, though it's still not impossible that a town lunalee genuinely sees no reason to suspect Colin. If I look into the tunnel I can easily see this as teammate interaction though.Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:14 amI really agree with voting for someone you're suspicious of instead of jumping on a wagon. That was my mentality day one. However, it doesn't do any good if no one shares your suspicions. For that reason I'm reviewing other lynch candidate's posts to see if I have any reason to switch if no one gets on board with my wolbre suspicions. So far you're not pinging my scum radar, so I'll move along.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Apr 25, 2018 5:04 pmIt's a bad look to vote for somebody I'm suspicious of, as opposed to jumping on a wagon I don't believe in (which, by the way, turned out to be a civ)? Golden's paraphrase of my post here is disingenuous and distorts the character of my message.Spoiler: show
If sig is bad, Colin is bad. If sig is good ... well, guess Colin is still bad?![]()
Complete lack of a stance in this post. I don't like it, but again... Luna is a relatively new player who's probably not encountered many situations like this one. A little hesitance is not as damning for her as it would be for, say, Turnip Head.Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 12:26 pmHi MacDougall. I'm around. Really not sure what to think about this Colin/Sloonei tie.MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:04 am @Turnip Head get your torch out.
@Lunalee I see you there.![]()
Our little luna is growing up so fast. With tunnel vision turned on, I can still see this as a teammate interaction. But if I give luna the benefit of the doubt, this reads like a genuine townie developing their feel for the game.Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Apr 27, 2018 11:07 pm Wow, first scum lynch! I've learned a few things from this:
1. I don't feel confident in my ability to scum-hunt. I will probably review who all led the charge on colin, and follow their lead.
2. Defending ANYONE in game is a bad idea. I will suppress my nice-person side and not give anyone else the benefit of the doubt.
3. I won't be mad if you all want to lynch me next. I realize that I look pretty darn scummy right now.
first of all, throughout Day 2 is a very broad timeframe. I think I read and posted for about 1hr total which is like, nothing at all for me, and I feel like a shit person to not be giving this game dunya-effort, but I really didn't anticipate my workload and what it would be like with my dad here. so I'm sorry guys.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:16 pm My biggest beef when I ISO'd dunya was that her Colin interactions were surprisingly light. I attributed that to her travels and lightness of activity in general after Day 1. As it is, I didn't come away with a very strong sense of where dunya stood on things during yesterday's lynch. @dunya if you're able to, could you explain in more detail what your thoughts were on me and Colin throughout Day 2?
I am fine with either wagon so I will break it if needed
go away, Jack.
I'm new to mafia, Spacedaisy. I don't yet have a meta. Believe it or not, I am town. But I do realize my stupidity has made me look scummy.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:48 pmAh, I see. Yeah it does look bad. Like Goldenthough, I might find this more compelling if LC flips bad. Is that all there is on her? Also, how does luna usually play? I've never been in a game with her.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:34 pmThe most recent stand out reasonSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 12:31 pm Whoa, also lunalee has 4 votes? What is the case there?
you're one of the lumpers.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:41 pmWhat? I'm not even trying to murder or lynch you. What's the matter?
I meant I can see Luna being scum independent of LC.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:30 pmThe case against LC is not dependent upon Luna being bad. What are your thoughts on the case Scotty (I think it was Scotty...) put forward for LC?dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:06 pm I saw the Luna post that Scotty quoted. I could see Luna being scum, even though I don't have any experience with scum luna meta, but I don't see that post as an indication of being LC scummate? I really don't have time to see exactly when it happened but if it happened during the Colin/Sloonei tie time then she could have been trying to save Colin by placing a vote on Sloonei and forgot what she had said about LC.
I'm actually more inclined to vote Luna today than LC.
(I say that because I haven't looked into LC in depth yet and I'm lazy. I wake up at 7am and have a 2 hour lunch then finished work at 5.15pm then have another meeting in an hour over dinner. fuck my life atm).
How do you read me now?dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:36 pmfirst of all, throughout Day 2 is a very broad timeframe. I think I read and posted for about 1hr total which is like, nothing at all for me, and I feel like a shit person to not be giving this game dunya-effort, but I really didn't anticipate my workload and what it would be like with my dad here. so I'm sorry guys.Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:16 pm My biggest beef when I ISO'd dunya was that her Colin interactions were surprisingly light. I attributed that to her travels and lightness of activity in general after Day 1. As it is, I didn't come away with a very strong sense of where dunya stood on things during yesterday's lynch. @dunya if you're able to, could you explain in more detail what your thoughts were on me and Colin throughout Day 2?
My thoughts: Sloonei was still suspicious because Day 1 suspicions don't just evaporate overnight because it's Day 2 and I am an intuitive person who likes to follow instincts. I felt like you weren't engaging people the way you usually do until much later. I hated the Colin vote when it happened and the reasons for it, and I hated you calling yourself hypocritical. It just didn't sit right with me. Call it whatever you want, but that's where I was. So I come in Day 2 when I did come in and I saw 5/5 for Sloonei and Colin. I hadn't seen anything from Colin (cos he barely posted apparently), so I broke the tie cos I hate ties and placed a vote on you.
When I returned for Day 2 and ISOd Colin and saw his posts, I felt like Colin was being tight lipped, didn't like all the heat he was receiving and being online and not rebutting it didn't seem like Town Colin to me. The majority of votes were on him, yes, but I didn't vote blindly either. I was convinced in where my vote was going. It wasn't like LCs vote of "everyone else thinks he's bad so...", I actually saw and believed in the case against him and felt like I had reasons to why I was putting my vote on Colin. Colin is a passionate player, I felt like he was just trying to speak as little as possible because he knew it was over anyway (clearly).
Um. No. I will do no such thing.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:14 pmCheck out LC and Colin then when you have some more downtime. It’s like an episode of Black Miror.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 1:06 pm I saw the Luna post that Scotty quoted. I could see Luna being scum, even though I don't have any experience with scum luna meta, but I don't see that post as an indication of being LC scummate? I really don't have time to see exactly when it happened but if it happened during the Colin/Sloonei tie time then she could have been trying to save Colin by placing a vote on Sloonei and forgot what she had said about LC.
I'm actually more inclined to vote Luna today than LC.
(I say that because I haven't looked into LC in depth yet and I'm lazy. I wake up at 7am and have a 2 hour lunch then finished work at 5.15pm then have another meeting in an hour over dinner. fuck my life atm).