The Syndicate

Quin wrote: ↑Tue May 22, 2018 10:01 pm i'd have killed marmot because i'm really leaning into this wifom thing and he's getting in my way

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:33 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 1:04 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 1:00 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 12:54 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 12:28 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 26, 2018 12:14 pm What makes Scotty town again? : p

For me it’s that he seems pretty similar to his town play in AG the more I see of it, but he’s going to have to flesh out some of these ideas he has and soon.

I’ve already said I think you look suspicious for how you subtly defended choutas on day 1 by proffering that there were better options while rolling your eyes and placing a vote there. You showed up to a friend’s house, and when he handed you a cold refreshing glass of Sunny D, you told him you’d drink it even though it tastes like cat urine

And I’ve already said that I didn’t defend Choutas. What time would you like us to repeat this exchange tomorrow?

That you can’t own up that you even softly defended him is beyond me. Like, it’s ok if you did defend him, everyone does that. But you’re so guarded about it

Who is your scummate

I still think this exchange looks decent for Scotty. The highlighted portion in particular is of interest to me, because this is something I think they would discuss in BTSC rather than in some inflated distancing effort in the game thread. Scotty is right that defending a mafioso isn't necessarily a damning thing, and that Colin refused to accept that he may have done so indirectly was a bad look.

Enter BTSC...

Scotty: you're fighting hard dude, but i honestly think you're better off just admitting that you defended him. it's not that big a deal. besides, jjj loves honesty! [insert metaphor]
Colin: i mean, i guess. i don't know if i really even did that, but i can see how it looks.

There's too much WIFOM here for me to slap a HOT on it, but it's not a NOT either. I'll allow others to judge.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:13 pmAlso where is Epi?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:11 pm Important note: by the time we have reached the deadline, we ought to have some relative consensus. If the votes are split, it empowers Colin to influence the poll (and even pure WIFOM can damage the civilians right now).

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:11 pm Important note: by the time we have reached the deadline, we ought to have some relative consensus. If the votes are split, it empowers Colin to influence the poll (and even pure WIFOM can damage the civilians right now).

I wouldn’t do that.

Oh, wait. Yeah, I would.

You still haven’t asked me any questions! Don’t you wanna know my *secrets*?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 21, 2018 9:33 pm Hey, engage with me all you want, I just think there are much better targets out there, and the fact that they're "easy" or whatever shouldn't stop us from considering them if they look scummy. Love that tiger stuff though!

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 12:43 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 12:42 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 23, 2018 12:41 pm Never mind, Scotty had voted him very early on.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 20, 2018 1:00 am [VOTE: choutas] aubergine

Eyyyyyyyy boi

Aye

Why?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu May 24, 2018 5:36 pm I have you and Marmot leaning scum, and I’m not convinced re: Eloh, so I don’t think those are just “easy” reads.

As far as “flexible” goes, I’m certainly open to hearing arguments for anybody but a lot of these players I’ve only seen one way and I’m doing a lot of taking peoples’ word on meta analysis. JJJ, Epi, Kyle, I don’t know what they look like as scum so I don’t know what to watch out for. I disengaged from Greece after dying so anything that happened after the early stages was beyond me.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 11:31 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 27, 2018 11:19 am ALIVE:
ColinIsCool - BAD
Dyslexicon - GOOD
Elohcin - BAD
Epignosis - BAD
JaggedJimmyJay - GOOD
lapluie - GOOD
M Plus 7 - GOOD
Marmot (Replaced MacDougall) - BAD
Nutella (Replaced TheFloyd73) - GOOD
Quin - GOOD
Scotty - GOD

You happen to be driving through any tunnels on your way to MA?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon May 28, 2018 7:45 pm Hope my name tastes good on account of how often it comes outta yr mouths Scotty and lap

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 8:32 am

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 29, 2018 2:59 am I should really be asleep by now but I suddenly got this nagging hunch that wolves is lapluie and marmot. Idk, was thinking about some possible permutations and this one seemed to click, but I haven't looked into much to flesh it out so it's just a hunch.

Linki ok yeah sounds good lol [VOTE: lapluie] aubergine

And y’all are gonna call my thought processes hard to follow?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:11 pm Important note: by the time we have reached the deadline, we ought to have some relative consensus. If the votes are split, it empowers Colin to influence the poll (and even pure WIFOM can damage the civilians right now).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:27 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:11 pm Important note: by the time we have reached the deadline, we ought to have some relative consensus. If the votes are split, it empowers Colin to influence the poll (and even pure WIFOM can damage the civilians right now).

I wouldn’t do that.

Oh, wait. Yeah, I would.

You still haven’t asked me any questions! Don’t you wanna know my *secrets*?

Do you wipe up or down?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:32 pm The more Quin doesn't post, the more I'm like, ok maybe it's just Quin. I'm reading his ISO next. I need to take breaks though. I'm truly spending too much time on mafia today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:32 pm The more Quin doesn't post, the more I'm like, ok maybe it's just Quin. I'm reading his ISO next. I need to take breaks though. I'm truly spending too much time on mafia today.

I find myself wanting to select Scotty over nutella for the backup slot, but she has been as quiet as Quin today (and as confident as he was on Day 4 ), so I'm just like

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:32 pm The more Quin doesn't post, the more I'm like, ok maybe it's just Quin. I'm reading his ISO next. I need to take breaks though. I'm truly spending too much time on mafia today.

I find myself wanting to select Scotty over nutella for the backup slot, but she has been as quiet as Quin today (and as confident as he was on Day 4 ), so I'm just like

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:45 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:32 pm The more Quin doesn't post, the more I'm like, ok maybe it's just Quin. I'm reading his ISO next. I need to take breaks though. I'm truly spending too much time on mafia today.

I find myself wanting to select Scotty over nutella for the backup slot, but she has been as quiet as Quin today (and as confident as he was on Day 4 ), so I'm just like

I. Have. A. Fucking. Job. I'm still halfway through Scotty's iso and keeping up with current posts as quickly as I can. I'll participate more this evening and tomorrow when I'm not working.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:46 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:48 pm Airplaaaaaane. Also, I kind of hate being left alive until endgame lol

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:50 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:48 pm Airplaaaaaane. Also, I kind of hate being left alive until endgame lol

This always happens to me. For whatever reason, people don't kill me. It's honestly kind of infuriating. I don't know if it's avoidance of doctor protections, or trying not to be exposed given my reads, or if I am just not perceived as a problem -- but nobody ever kills me. It's an insult.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:58 pm Well I should say, people on The Syndicate don't kill me. Whenever I go anywhere else I tend to get roasted on Night 1 or 2. There's some kind of cultural quirk at work.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:00 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 2:58 pm Well I should say, people on The Syndicate don't kill me. Whenever I go anywhere else I tend to get roasted on Night 1 or 2. There's some kind of cultural quirk at work.

Ask about MP's first experience on PerC. : p
I'm more often than not killed early on my home site. I think I'm taken less seriously on other sites. Though I was killed first in my last game, which I was perfectly happy about tbh.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:00 pm Ask about MP's first experience on PerC. : p

They killed me pretty quick in my game there too, after Pozzai and I spent a few days fighting over control of the thread.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:39 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 12:59 pmHow it made sense was that Kyle was universally town read if I recall, whereas nova was not. You disagree that it was a strategic kill?

Not really. Kyle wasn't doing shit and was also explicitly not Gladys. It was probably intended to be strategic, but I don't think it was a good strategy. It's kind of whatever.

RE: Elo and Colin- I had both as bad at that point, and no one was biting on Colin so I voted for the one of the team that I found suspicious and others did too. If it’s a classic mafia move as you are suggesting...oh well

So laying it out- I think Colin could be bad when wolbre is lynched, but wolbre looks more suspicious. Then Elo and Colin look like potential scum partners so I offer both up, and people gravitate more towards her so confirmation bias sets in. After elo’s mislynch, i felt like it was getting out of hand so I started really digging into Colin, yea, cause it was pissing me off that I was wrong about the others but it all cane back to Colin

I just find it amazing that you had so much criticism of Colin, yet never voted him or tried out if a wagon could build on him before D4.

RE: coffee. Come on, really? If that’s supposed to be a scumslip, then I’m a sentient can of folgers

Behold the mighty "I need coffee" scum tell!
It will be thy doom!
I have myself fallen to it, and though the taste is bitter, it keeps me perky.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:06 pmNo one else picked up on him. When it came down to it, I kept finding reasons to vote other people and be more productive on trains that existed, but I doubled down after elo’s misylunch and wasn’t pussyfooting around yesterday.

But you’re not actually serious about the coffee thing, are you? It makes 0 sense

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:48 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:31 pmI’ve learned a lesson in past games to not tunnel exclusively. I’m always going to have suspicions elsewhere, because that would just be 2-D life baby. And no one wants to live 2D. I found the MP kill odd regardless, even though you apparently don’t. Why didn’t you think he could be lynched? I found him plenty suspicious in the night, as did a few other people. Also my theory that MP was looking closely at a person did turn out to look correct with Colin being Mp’s Main suspect. Could have been coincidence, but I think not. Good to know you thought Mp wouldn’t be mislynched.

My indecisiveness came when claims came into the mix. My initial predilection was to trust Marmot’s claim, because no one had countered. Colon looked fishier than a Japanese market. But his breadcrumbs were shit and I know I wasn’t the only one thinking that. I ended up on the wrong side on the end there.
I will say that objectively my not being around at EoD yesterday is inherently questionable, but I can’t help if my phone dies. If I had been around when JJJ brought up colin’s Interactions concerning Keith, I would have switched back. But that’s impossible to prove

I don't think MP would be mislynched because I would fight that like I should've fought for Wolbre. I know this is all internal. Doesn't matter now.

All you say is just like ok. I'm not really swayed. I think you're slippery. You can point and laugh if Quin is scum, but these are my thoughts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:49 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:44 pm That would be stupid as shit if I broadcast my intentions like that as bad. But yeah it would be funny I guess

Given that you proposed that particular line of inquiry (down the line if we have a few mislynches -- hello), do you think anyone fits the bill?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:14 pmWhen it comes to establishing Day 1 distance, I don't think the appearance tends to be quite this severe -- at least not when a lynch wagon isn't already being formed. I designate this moment

I don't think it's very severe at all. There's also no follow up. Just a cop out vote on Floyd and saying that if he were to vote elsewhere, but he won't, it would be either Eloh or choutas. Not hot at all to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:56 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:22 pmI have personally said shit like this as a mafioso to civilians who are on my case and won't leave me alone. This looks a lot like Colin trying to find a moment to catch his breath when faced with a civilian who won't leave him be. For Scotty, I designate this moment

I'll give you this though. I'm intending to look over how Colin behaves towards other people suspecting him. It looked to me as if Colin wasn't really that worried about Scotty most of the time, and instead of trying to get him off the tail it was more of an attitude of "oh, and what about you, huh?" imo. And that smells more like distancing. Like "no you are ridiculous for suspecting me". Hopefully I'll get something out of checking Colins attitude towards other people. Colin wrote me off as appreciating my concern early in the game at least.

Also, it's Scotty's interaction with choutas and Colin I find the most damning. Colin first saying Scotty didn't look the same as in AG where he was town (and then nullifying it with a "but maybe I'm not accustomed to their playstyle") on D1, and then saying Scotty does look the same as in AG on D3 when Scotty had established town cred is particularly suspicious to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:57 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 1:54 pm I gotta say tho, I like dys’s recent pew-pewing into me. I’m more surprised that no one has done this sooner. I think it reads as actually hunting.

Nutella, meanwhile, looks like she’s piggybacking and nodding her head with a “yea guys!” Thrown in

So do you think Quin is scum, or do you think Nut is scum then?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:06 pmNo one else picked up on him. When it came down to it, I kept finding reasons to vote other people and be more productive on trains that existed, but I doubled down after elo’s misylunch and wasn’t pussyfooting around yesterday.

But you’re not actually serious about the coffee thing, are you? It makes 0 sense

I'm half serious because of this: Owner (a new player on this site actually) noticed that when I mentioned being tired and needing coffee I was more likely to be scum than not. This was exactly true (though not for the reason she originally thought). It was true because I kind of blamed "oh if this is coming across weird or not coherent or tired or off or whatever then it's because I'm tired and need me coffee hehehe". I did that often when scum. It's been a running gag ever since. Incidentally I brought this up with Colin when he did this exact thing in the game. And he WAS scum. You are the only other player in this game to do exactly this, saying you need coffee to do better, essentially. I know it sounds silly, but the reasoning behind, wanting to express you are tired and can't fully be held accountable, is not silly. And if you are scum, this is too good. Behold the mighty coffee tell.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:14 pm Also, didn't Colin say he didn't even drink coffee. So obviously he did use it to be manipulative. I'm telling you. Coffee is the key to mafia lolololo

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:32 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:13 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:06 pmNo one else picked up on him. When it came down to it, I kept finding reasons to vote other people and be more productive on trains that existed, but I doubled down after elo’s misylunch and wasn’t pussyfooting around yesterday.

But you’re not actually serious about the coffee thing, are you? It makes 0 sense

I'm half serious because of this: Owner (a new player on this site actually) noticed that when I mentioned being tired and needing coffee I was more likely to be scum than not. This was exactly true (though not for the reason she originally thought). It was true because I kind of blamed "oh if this is coming across weird or not coherent or tired or off or whatever then it's because I'm tired and need me coffee hehehe". I did that often when scum. It's been a running gag ever since. Incidentally I brought this up with Colin when he did this exact thing in the game. And he WAS scum. You are the only other player in this game to do exactly this, saying you need coffee to do better, essentially. I know it sounds silly, but the reasoning behind, wanting to express you are tired and can't fully be held accountable, is not silly. And if you are scum, this is too good. Behold the mighty coffee tell.

That you need coffee when scum is not applicable to everyone. That’s like assuming that just because you simultneously hiccup and fart that everyone else simultaneously hiccups and farts. You’ll find I have a lot of word vomit all the time in every game

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:37 pm Dys, I like you. You remind me of my cousin. She lives in a tree

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:39 pm Per the coffee tell:

I think it makes perfect sense. It amuses me that it exists. I have never really thought of it before, but I can absolutely see "sorry I'm confused and need my coffee" type comments reflecting a mafioso who has goofed and wants to blame it on a fluid. That resonates with me. I cannot pretend I have seen any evidence of it being reliable apart from Colin's incident in this game, but it's something I'll look for.

It's no less legitimate than other tells I have looked for in the past, like Why Me? defenses or "What do you want from me?".

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 3:33 pm Well, Quin isn't even making an effort, which is maybe the most damning thing for him right now imo. He could maybe just not give a fuck because he thinks he's lost already. While we ruin our brains among each other.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Jun 01, 2018 5:00 pm Finished Scotty's iso and didn't find anything additional to point out other than what dizzy and I have already talked about. it's enough to make him my backup but for now I am still thinking it is most likely just quin.