The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:23 pm w/w wagons are more common than ppl think

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 8:46 pm I still think anne's wagon is weird because it was a counter wagon to Jay yesterday, and nutella is the only person who voted it both yesterday and is voting for it right now.

Also, 3 of the 5 people voting for anne right now either didn't vote yesterday (Dizzy, Sloonsooa) or voted a vanity wagon (iaafr).


Two of the people voting for anne yesterday are dead: Jay and MR

@falcon45ca @DrWilgy why aren't you voting for anne today?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 9:35 pm How many hours til EOD? I'll likely be around

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:31 pm the calm before the storm...

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:31 pm the calm before the storm...

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:41 pm uhh

i dont really have that kind of coherent view of the game atm

like if i have to pick three names i'm tempted to just say anne/naa/wilgy but that feels kinda lame, i think there is likely a spicier wolf in spf or marmot

thinking about it i'm honestly quite comfortable taking cass and lime as town based on some tells and other people's confidence. i'm quite torn on esooa

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:41 pm uhh

i dont really have that kind of coherent view of the game atm

like if i have to pick three names i'm tempted to just say anne/naa/wilgy but that feels kinda lame, i think there is likely a spicier wolf in spf or marmot

thinking about it i'm honestly quite comfortable taking cass and lime as town based on some tells and other people's confidence. i'm quite torn on esooa

Why does it feel lame? I think I know why you're saying that, I just wanna hear your explanation.

Also why are you torn on esooa?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:49 pm this EoD is really really bad for me, when I'm walking home and it's usually too cold to use my phone or my hands freeze lol, but I'll see what I can do

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:55 pm final post until the last hour as a follow up thought:

i got bad vibes from marmot d1, then after a lot of people just accepted him as supertown i started to default him to town but i'm going back to thinking that's not really warranted and a lot of his play is performative/fakeable imo. dizzy who i townread and who is known for accurate vibe reads had bad vibes on him today too. and on top of all that, not that i want to weigh mech much, but i do just have a bad feeling about how he's presented the thing about his role having town and mafia conditions included in his role card. i'm curious if anyone else has a role with that kind of stipulation and it feels kinda weird that he wouldn't just receive whichever one he randed instead of an explanation of both -- it really strikes me as something that could actually be there as a safeclaim for mafia and that it just makes more sense if he's mafia and has that information to bolster his claim or like "mafia wouldn't claim it like this" wifom... idk maybe it's far enough in that direction that it's more likely just real, i could be totally off base but it just felt a bit slimey to me. occam's razor he's still town but i'd say he's on the fringes of my poe

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:41 pm uhh

i dont really have that kind of coherent view of the game atm

like if i have to pick three names i'm tempted to just say anne/naa/wilgy but that feels kinda lame, i think there is likely a spicier wolf in spf or marmot

thinking about it i'm honestly quite comfortable taking cass and lime as town based on some tells and other people's confidence. i'm quite torn on esooa

Why does it feel lame? I think I know why you're saying that, I just wanna hear your explanation.

Also why are you torn on esooa?

they just feel like the lhf/"easy answer" but sometimes scum teams just really are the "easy answer", i just have the "there's a deepwolf" tingley spidey sense from the threadstate or whatever. on the other hand i'm feeling better about some townreads and hoping we can just straight poe it

esooa i just really dont know how to read and have seen stuff that seems townie and rabbit townreads her but theres also stuff thats pinged me and like her long wall post of reads felt like a lot of words saying ultimately barely anything

ending with a full list
town:
falcon
illeetic
iaafr
lime coke
cassandra
dyslexicon

conflicted:
mac
esooa
marmot
spf

lean wolf:
drwilgy
naa
anne

i feel a little weird tossing wilgy this low again for some reason but i still think the shot wasnt good and hes also tagging onto bad pushes of me without really evaluating on his own

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:58 pm @nutella it's either you or Iaafr and I don't think it's Iaafr. JJJ had very weird lines wrapped around you two.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:01 am okay so, i snapvoted esooa because i read the bottom paragraph of her wallpost and i thought that her positioning looked explicitly like she was trying to wolfside and flip the POE (by having me/marmot as her top 2 foses when i think that marmot is probably just town, and by having dizzy as her third fos when i think dizzy could be town too)

now that ive actually read the wallpost, i think the reasoning is mostly fine and there's some parts of it that i find towny (like her reasoning to tr falcon). her reasoning to wolfread me feels really nitpicky and weak though - like it's obvious that i was saying that the content of drwilgy's posts wasn't AI for him but that his posts still reflected a scum mindset, and i feel like she really had to stretch and misinterpret my posts to frame them in the way that she did. i also dont like that she didnt include any reasons to townread me when i would kind of expect esooa to pick up on some of my towntells as town. i guess the headline is that i overreacted by immediately voting esooa but i think that her current list of scumreads is probably wolf-sided regardless of her alignment

Okay--how exactly does like

His posts reflecting a scum mindset not mean the posts are wolf AI

And regardless of all that were you not still wanting to vote him? Because like, you were as far as I know

irt not posting anything for why you're town

I'm not really pushing my reads that much and worded the ending explicitly as who I want to look into more for a reason

Not specifically because I'm town reading you much but more so because I mean

I basically expect exactly these kinds of responses when disagreeing with any kinda consensus in this lobby

I don't really agree that your response to pressure was that towny though, like, individually towny posts in terms of mindset are what made me shift my read off you in the vigi 10er, and I also noted that game you omgus'd by going like "I'm so obvious town" and town read it there, so don't rly agree there

and besides that the post is 2700 words. I cared more by then to get my current opinions out rather than all my thoughts

I think your entrance was probably towny, in that your entrance reads were reasonable+good in volume, and the uwu stuff was probably slightly towny, etc

Regardless I'm most interested in your opinion on the game state in general

And also too the idea that my reads list is wolf-sided, tbh

Alexa's reasons for wolf reading Anne, the top wagon today and for most of today to my recollection, are "nothing that pingy but she isn't explicitly town yet,"

Does that really sound like reasons to kill Anne to you? Or reasons for her to just be there wagoned all day?

I know there are others, but nothing really that inspiring either imo

And in terms of it being wolf-sided

Who are the wolves?

Like, when Alexa posted "I'm just gonna say all of Dizzy SPF Marmot are town and not actually talk about anything cause why not," I looked at the playerlist and assumed they're all town

Who are the wolves?

They're not exactly that easy to find

I think a lot of the consensus towns are town for decent reasons and if you remove the 3 named above, you're already basically out of names

Like c'mon lol

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:34 pm leetic's not a hero for being pedantic about details that deliberately miss the nuance of the point entirely and refusing to understand why anyone's perspective goes beind level 1 lol its pretty fucking annoying to play with

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:15 pm I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:15 pm I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:35 pm @falcon45ca This shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:41 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:15 pm I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.

I disagree. I have stated 3 separate times as to why Anne feels like a miss to me. I don't have the time or energy to dissuade further, especially when I could just be wrong. I'll vote where I want, speak of who I think is correct, and move on.

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:04 pm When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:35 pm @falcon45ca This shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:00 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:35 pm @falcon45ca This shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

Agreed

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:01 am ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:00 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:41 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:04 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 7:15 pm I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Spoiler: show

When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

See you in an hour.

I disagree. I have stated 3 separate times as to why Anne feels like a miss to me. I don't have the time or energy to dissuade further, especially when I could just be wrong. I'll vote where I want, speak of who I think is correct, and move on.

If you think anne is a miss, it would be very wise to speak up since she has the most votes. That's not a waste of effort.

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:02 am i didn't get through his full iso yet but i think he may be maf and like a shadow of his town self this game

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:02 am

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:01 am ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

same, thats why i askjed nutella about him yesterday...somethjing between them two feels off, i dont think its pure like not v/v imo

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:01 am ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:01 am ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore