[END] Literal WWerecreatures Invade Syndicate Zoo: An SDN Crossover Game

[Mayo the Mayo]

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.


What did you do last night Lawwpy?

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

Was it a poisoned apple?

No pls

Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Quoting myself because I agree with me

[Sloonei]

I have not paid close attention to Neon, but have felt generally okay by her presence in the game. I will do a deep dive at some point this phase, because hers is a slot that I have no clear read on.

[MacDougall]

Thankfully I think Falcon spewed Seanzie non Werecreature here.

Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?

Did I say I'm TRing Neon? SVS said Neon reads you better than SVS does, implying a decent read rate. And neon said you're acting weird. If Zenge is also saying you're scummy, then there's a common denominator.

It's implied you're TR Neon if you're looking for her take on my slot to inform your read, yes

I don't find this to be an accurate take.

Also, who said Falcon feels normal?

Oh? Do you normally ask players who you are SRing to inform your read on a slot?

I ask players who I am uncertain on to inform my reads on a slot.

Do you feel that's how PVS is approaching Neon w/ regards to my slot?

@Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

Yes, she is a relative noob. This is her fifth (I believe?) game.
I'm more getting at, I would've expected her to be coached not to say something like that. I'm reading her as nooby rather than outright wolfy.

I think you should read her wolf game before making claims like this.

I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.

That's going to be a problem.

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

@Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.

That's going to be a problem.

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

Well, maybe that's just a vibe approach difference then to how I see the game..if I'm not SRing, I'm TRing by default

[Lawpy]

Was Neons the one who originally wolfread falcons before townreading him?

[MacDougall]

I'm ngl I started today wanting Lawpy dead but their pleading with Mayo is coming off very sincere to me.

[MacDougall]

Was Neons the one who originally wolfread falcons before townreading him?

Yes.

[Lawpy]

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.


What did you do last night Lawwpy?

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

Was it a poisoned apple?

No pls

Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

[Mayo the Mayo]

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

Was it a poisoned apple?

No pls

Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

[MacDougall]

@DrWilgy Wherefore art thou?

Dead.

Have only read your ISO tbh. I think you are town and will sheep you until I can obtain more data to make a read.

Sheep me on Creature then


[VOTE: creature] aubergine

Sure thing boss.

Also I do intend on catching up come next cycle. Stuff came up specifically these past two days that took my soul.

This is bonkers play if w/w/w. I think Tutuu is never a Werecreature here.

Notwithstanding that it's just bonkers for Falcon to so ruthlessly bus Creature and then die straight away. For those playing along at home, this is why we don't bus in role madness and especially not multiball role madness.

[Sloonei]

Counterpoint: Creature is exactly the kind of teammate that werefolk would be inclined to bus.

[Lawpy]

Lawwpy doesn’t sound like Lawwpy this game, which he has done as a wolf.

Lawwpy also doesn’t bus. Both(all three?) viable wagons yesterday were wolves.

Lawwpy randomly sheeped another player’s vote onto me and left it there. Without ever substantiating it or really trying to mount a push.


Lawwpy looks like a wolf Lawwpy trying to hide his vote off wagon. He also doesn’t sound like village Lawwpy as noted above.

I’m quite concerned about Lawwpy today.

Mayos pls i didn’t have a good VCA in Stardew 2 and i was village. In fact that was the biggest gripe people had because i hardly voted for wolves and got pocketed by a deepwolf

I voted you independently of the PSV/pshelty’s vote. My concerns were that you appeared to be an engaged bystander of the Zenges vs Falcons fight while i was taking a hardline pro-Zenges stance and made a weird defense of Slooneis. It was, and still is, the reason why i think you’re wolfing and i voted there.

The Lawpyism thing is also demonstrably false as can be evidence by an iso of my posts before you announced the tell. The context is also critical. I subbed in middle of D2 with a low post cap so i can’t do my usual post-by-post catch up to avoid accidentally capping myself. And so i have to keep my posts reserved and content focused. Even then, the Lawpyisms are there

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.


What did you do last night Lawwpy?

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse

You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.

I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?

It’s not just Stardew 2. I had bad VCA before as village quite often because i have a bad habit of not voting for wolves despite fighting with them. That’s why in every game i play, i get railed for having bad VCA

And my tone is genuine pls. Zenges was facing resistance to his falcons push. This is a fact. But i can see which trajectories in this resistance are coming from a sincere, village perspective of warning Zenges not to be trapped in a confbias tunnel vs a subtle nudge to take the heat off of falcons.

[Sloonei]

Counterpoint: Creature is exactly the kind of teammate that werefolk would be inclined to bus.

Not counterpoint to the Wilgy/Tutuu part. DrTutii is always town. Just… bussing Creature in this game is not unreasonable.

[Lawpy]

Was it a poisoned apple?

No pls

Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

[Mayo the Mayo]

Mayos pls i didn’t have a good VCA in Stardew 2 and i was village. In fact that was the biggest gripe people had because i hardly voted for wolves and got pocketed by a deepwolf

I voted you independently of the PSV/pshelty’s vote. My concerns were that you appeared to be an engaged bystander of the Zenges vs Falcons fight while i was taking a hardline pro-Zenges stance and made a weird defense of Slooneis. It was, and still is, the reason why i think you’re wolfing and i voted there.

The Lawpyism thing is also demonstrably false as can be evidence by an iso of my posts before you announced the tell. The context is also critical. I subbed in middle of D2 with a low post cap so i can’t do my usual post-by-post catch up to avoid accidentally capping myself. And so i have to keep my posts reserved and content focused. Even then, the Lawpyisms are there

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.


What did you do last night Lawwpy?

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse

You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.

I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?

It’s not just Stardew 2. I had bad VCA before as village quite often because i have a bad habit of not voting for wolves despite fighting with them. That’s why in every game i play, i get railed for having bad VCA

And my tone is genuine pls. Zenges was facing resistance to his falcons push. This is a fact. But i can see which trajectories in this resistance are coming from a sincere, village perspective of warning Zenges not to be trapped in a confbias tunnel vs a subtle nudge to take the heat off of falcons.

It would appear that you can't. Since you landed on me, who never once said zenge should back off of falcon. Not once. I said they should not automatically include Sloo in their falcon read. You defended zenge and didn't actually pursue the wolf... that's wolfy.

You can't just get a blanket pass on your VCA. That's not how the game works. Especially when you have a known wolf meta of never bussing. That's the double edged sword of the church of AM. It clears you as village, but it attracts attention when wolfing

[Mayo the Mayo]

No pls

Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

Who did you target N1?

[Mayo the Mayo]

No pls

Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

I brought up night actions Lawwpy.

Not you.

I wouldn't know the fruit was from you and wouldn't start the day by mentioning it.

I don't buy that you were planning on starting the day by asking me about fruit to see if it works. I also don't see how that would help you to reassess me

[MacDougall]

Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

There is still likely to be one between Dennis and Nate. Interestingly we now have confirmation that Creature had at least one wolf bussing. Which is a very strange thing for Falcon to be doing. Perhaps Falcon did this because he was also being tunneled by Zenge and figured he wasn't going to go deep and figured that forcing a dicho out of him and Creature was sound. That's reasonable enough to assume, to suggest that the extent of the bussing may have ended there.

mightyrunner7 was insanified by Creature on night 1. It's quite wifom, but I will give it a very minor point in their favour simply because the wifom leads you to "just put it on a town because people will read it as wifom anyway so there's not much value in putting it on a wolf" is a true enough statement. Particularly when MR7 is already kinda likely to be town.

Given I think Seanzie is pretty much never with Falcon, I think that Miranda is very likely a hit for their Ponies vote.

It is important to keep coming back to this VC throughout the game because if the Scotty wagon ends up not having more than two wolves on it, the wagonomics outside there becomes more significant. Things like my statement above about Miranda take on less significance of the mafia actually really did vote Scotty in a large volume to save Creature as it makes pure wagons on town slightly more likely.

[MacDougall]

Counterpoint: Creature is exactly the kind of teammate that werefolk would be inclined to bus.

Not really a counterpoint. Wilgy bussing is not what I am ruling out. Wilgy asking Falcon for someone to vote and then Falcon telling him to vote out Creature on the other hand, is. Particularly because Wilgy was also locktown reading Falcon, and continued to hard shield Falcon right up until subbing out. It is quite obvious that Falcon was mindful that he had Wilgy pocketed and wanted to keep him there. Putting him onto Creature is going to turn Wilgy into a ravenous Falcon defender until endgame once Creature flips.

[Lawpy]

I said more than once that I thought falcon was sus. My argument that falcon being sus, but didn't think Sloonei was sus for wanting to move on from an argument that wasn't going anywhere.

You'll see that yesterday I was pretty clear that I did not trust the syndicate town reads on falcon over the SDN sus reads.

I was voting creature both days, who is a wolf, so I'm quite content for not joining zenges right away.


What did you do last night Lawwpy?

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse

You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.

I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?

It’s not just Stardew 2. I had bad VCA before as village quite often because i have a bad habit of not voting for wolves despite fighting with them. That’s why in every game i play, i get railed for having bad VCA

And my tone is genuine pls. Zenges was facing resistance to his falcons push. This is a fact. But i can see which trajectories in this resistance are coming from a sincere, village perspective of warning Zenges not to be trapped in a confbias tunnel vs a subtle nudge to take the heat off of falcons.

It would appear that you can't. Since you landed on me, who never once said zenge should back off of falcon. Not once. I said they should not automatically include Sloo in their falcon read. You defended zenge and didn't actually pursue the wolf... that's wolfy.

You can't just get a blanket pass on your VCA. That's not how the game works. Especially when you have a known wolf meta of never bussing. That's the double edged sword of the church of AM. It clears you as village, but it attracts attention when wolfing

Mayos pls i gave an example of Santy. You were coming across as an engaged bystander trying to back Slooneis who was trying to nudge Zenges away vs Santy actually making a direct point in not getting confbiased only on falcons and finding other wolfreads independent of the falcons read. Seanzies also raised valid points. So no, it’s not a blind defense of Zenges.

I had falcons and creatures in my POE. I’m aware of the drawbacks of never bussing but Creatures was practically a dead wolf walking starting D2 and falcons was being tunneled by Zenges. So i was trying to solve beyond these 2 and honed into the those contributing to resistance to Zenges push on falcons

[Mayo the Mayo]

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse

You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.

I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?

It’s not just Stardew 2. I had bad VCA before as village quite often because i have a bad habit of not voting for wolves despite fighting with them. That’s why in every game i play, i get railed for having bad VCA

And my tone is genuine pls. Zenges was facing resistance to his falcons push. This is a fact. But i can see which trajectories in this resistance are coming from a sincere, village perspective of warning Zenges not to be trapped in a confbias tunnel vs a subtle nudge to take the heat off of falcons.

It would appear that you can't. Since you landed on me, who never once said zenge should back off of falcon. Not once. I said they should not automatically include Sloo in their falcon read. You defended zenge and didn't actually pursue the wolf... that's wolfy.

You can't just get a blanket pass on your VCA. That's not how the game works. Especially when you have a known wolf meta of never bussing. That's the double edged sword of the church of AM. It clears you as village, but it attracts attention when wolfing

Mayos pls i gave an example of Santy. You were coming across as an engaged bystander trying to back Slooneis who was trying to nudge Zenges away vs Santy actually making a direct point in not getting confbiased only on falcons and finding other wolfreads independent of the falcons read. Seanzies also raised valid points. So no, it’s not a blind defense of Zenges.

I had falcons and creatures in my POE. I’m aware of the drawbacks of never bussing but Creatures was practically a dead wolf walking starting D2 and falcons was being tunneled by Zenges. So i was trying to solve beyond these 2 and honed into the those contributing to resistance to Zenges push on falcons

We're back to this, but I never resisted Zenges push on falcon.

[Lawpy]

Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

Who did you target N1?

Its even nights pls

[NateTheLesser]

Kind of a boring chop, but boring and correct is just fine, we take those.

[Mayo the Mayo]

The argument was a central driving point so moving on was an attempt to discredit that. That was explicitly and directly said so by Zenges many times himself despite the mounting resistance he was facing with the falcons push.

Mayos pls you’re known to bus and have bussed before.

Did you get the fruit?

I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse

You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.

I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?

It’s not just Stardew 2. I had bad VCA before as village quite often because i have a bad habit of not voting for wolves despite fighting with them. That’s why in every game i play, i get railed for having bad VCA

And my tone is genuine pls. Zenges was facing resistance to his falcons push. This is a fact. But i can see which trajectories in this resistance are coming from a sincere, village perspective of warning Zenges not to be trapped in a confbias tunnel vs a subtle nudge to take the heat off of falcons.

It would appear that you can't. Since you landed on me, who never once said zenge should back off of falcon. Not once. I said they should not automatically include Sloo in their falcon read. You defended zenge and didn't actually pursue the wolf... that's wolfy.

You can't just get a blanket pass on your VCA. That's not how the game works. Especially when you have a known wolf meta of never bussing. That's the double edged sword of the church of AM. It clears you as village, but it attracts attention when wolfing

Mayos pls i gave an example of Santy. You were coming across as an engaged bystander trying to back Slooneis who was trying to nudge Zenges away vs Santy actually making a direct point in not getting confbiased only on falcons and finding other wolfreads independent of the falcons read. Seanzies also raised valid points. So no, it’s not a blind defense of Zenges.

I had falcons and creatures in my POE. I’m aware of the drawbacks of never bussing but Creatures was practically a dead wolf walking starting D2 and falcons was being tunneled by Zenges. So i was trying to solve beyond these 2 and honed into the those contributing to resistance to Zenges push on falcons

By this logic you should be voting Sloo who you say was actively resisting Zenge. Me saying I didn't auto-wolf Sloo for it only makes me wolfy if Sloo is wolf.

[NateTheLesser]

Everyone has received a special broadcast!

Sloonei w

Anyway, here's some music to vibe to:

Is this mech or a read?

VCA. I was thinking w!Sloonei would make w!falcon less likely though, so I need to recalibrate with the other flips.

[Lawpy]

Then what fruit basket might you have sent to your #1 wolf read?

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

I brought up night actions Lawwpy.

Not you.

I wouldn't know the fruit was from you and wouldn't start the day by mentioning it.

I don't buy that you were planning on starting the day by asking me about fruit to see if it works. I also don't see how that would help you to reassess me

Mayos pls you know i don’t discuss mechanics unless there’s a context, so why would i blindly discuss my night actions right at the start of the day? You asked a mechanical question which i responded with a mechanical answer.

[Mayo the Mayo]

Fruits by their nature don’t do anything but be consumed pls.

I was also reevaluating during the night to see if i can give you a benefit of doubt from your later posts so acting on you with fruits that don’t have any function besides serving as a sort of visitor role seemed like the best bet.

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

Who did you target N1?

Its even nights pls

Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

[Lawpy]

I'm not above bussing, but I doubt I would ever do it in a game when I extremely inactive and uncertain if I will be able to login before close.

If you want to say that my creature vote doesn't hard clear me, sure, I agree.

Your anti-bus vote looks far worse

You’re right i don’t bus but i don’t have a good VCA in general as demonstated by Stardew 2 and other recent games i played as village. In fact, i literally fought a deepwolf in that game and didn’t even vote for him. We actually voted together! And i was village! And yet an argument could be made that such an act back then was theater.

I didn't play that game, nor did most people here.

You are saying we should disregard your VCA in all future games because you followed a deepwolf onto a misyeet?

The VCA looks bad.

Your tone sounds bad.

And it sure looks like you were pocketing zenge while trying to encourage v/v arguments to distract from where he was actually pushing.

What did you do last night Lawwpy?

It’s not just Stardew 2. I had bad VCA before as village quite often because i have a bad habit of not voting for wolves despite fighting with them. That’s why in every game i play, i get railed for having bad VCA

And my tone is genuine pls. Zenges was facing resistance to his falcons push. This is a fact. But i can see which trajectories in this resistance are coming from a sincere, village perspective of warning Zenges not to be trapped in a confbias tunnel vs a subtle nudge to take the heat off of falcons.

It would appear that you can't. Since you landed on me, who never once said zenge should back off of falcon. Not once. I said they should not automatically include Sloo in their falcon read. You defended zenge and didn't actually pursue the wolf... that's wolfy.

You can't just get a blanket pass on your VCA. That's not how the game works. Especially when you have a known wolf meta of never bussing. That's the double edged sword of the church of AM. It clears you as village, but it attracts attention when wolfing

Mayos pls i gave an example of Santy. You were coming across as an engaged bystander trying to back Slooneis who was trying to nudge Zenges away vs Santy actually making a direct point in not getting confbiased only on falcons and finding other wolfreads independent of the falcons read. Seanzies also raised valid points. So no, it’s not a blind defense of Zenges.

I had falcons and creatures in my POE. I’m aware of the drawbacks of never bussing but Creatures was practically a dead wolf walking starting D2 and falcons was being tunneled by Zenges. So i was trying to solve beyond these 2 and honed into the those contributing to resistance to Zenges push on falcons

By this logic you should be voting Sloo who you say was actively resisting Zenge. Me saying I didn't auto-wolf Sloo for it only makes me wolfy if Sloo is wolf.

I did vote Slooneis. Before switching to you

[Lawpy]

And my suspecting of you doesn’t remove Slooneis from my POE. He’s still there

[Mayo the Mayo]

Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

Quoting myself because that chain was getting distractingly long

[NateTheLesser]

Lawpy did you use both your votes on Mayo?

[Mayo the Mayo]

Lawpy did you use both your votes on Mayo?

Oho?

[MacDougall]

VC 3 hours before EOD1.

Creature - 4 votes
Voters: Mayo the Mayo, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy
Scotty - 4 votes
Voters: Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet
SportPonies - 3 votes
Voters: pyxxy, Seanzie, miranda920
Dennis - 2 votes
Voters: Animal Midwife, Scotty
miranda920 - 2 votes
Voters: santygrass, SportPonies
falcon45ca - 1 votes
Voters: Zenge
Marmot - 1 votes
Voters: Dennis
pyxxy - 1 votes
Voters: genny
Zenge - 1 votes
Voters: NateTheLesser

Votecount as of end of day 1

Scotty 8 - (Marmot, dyachei/lawpy, mightyrunner7, SportPonies, Neon, Creature, Sloonei, potentialsheltervet)
Creature 5 - (Mayo the Mayo, Kate, S~V~S, falcon45ca, DrWilgy)
Dennis 3 - (Animal Midwife, Scotty, NateTheLesser)
SportPonies 3 - (Seanzie, miranda920, pyxxy)
Falcon45ca 2 - (Zenge, santygrass)
pyxxy 1 - (genny)
Marmot 1 - (Dennis)

Did not vote 1 - (SARdoghandler)

Notes:

The mafia shooting Animal Midwife on night 1 after Scotty goes over, quite blatantly spews the Dennis wagon. Almost too blatantly. I am very confident there is a strong difference check between Dennis and NateTheLesser at this time.

I personally view Creature as a probable hit. He is not his towny self and has no enthusiasm. He keeps talking about his lack of energy/engagement which I have seen him do as mafia because he genuinely does not enjoy wolfing. I think Creature does need to be resolved to help town make heads or tails of the gamestate. I also don't trust Marmot at all and observed Marmot defend Creature during day 1 in a really questionable way. His reasons for ending up voting Scotty felt like he was trying to reach for justifications to be voting town, if Creature was town he wouldn't need to make said justifications.

Obviously if Creature and Dennis are both mafia, the Scotty wagon is very likely to contain multiple mafia. I'd be particularly interested in those who are more familiar with Scotty coming under fire, especially because after reading his ISO he felt like very basic Scotty, who is an A++ town player especially mid to late game. I would expect the likes of Marmot, Neon and Sloonei to be disinclined from killing Scotty day 1 over Creature when comparing their two isos.

@Sloonei, @Neon, @Marmot why did you end up voting out Scotty over Creature?

So Neon and Sloonei voted Scotty more than 3 hours before EOD and never moved their votes. Feels very much like "we can't move cuz we need the Scotty wagon to stay strong" to me.

Marmot (dead ?), dya, MR7 and Ponies (dead town) are the joiners. Such a shame we don't have marmot's alignment. If he's mafia it makes the remainder slightly less likely to be. If he's town it makes them more.

Would be very surprised to find Neon and Sloonei are t/t. They are possibly w/w. MR7... intrigues me. I will be watching them with interest today.

Creature wagon barely changed either, with just one more voter joining it inside the final 3 hours, which was my slot. Gj Kate, you tried lol. Ironically it seems as though Falcon's vote on Creature is what persuaded Kate to vote Creature.

Nate moved from Zenge to Dennis. Interested in the timing of that because if the Scotty wagon was already safe then it can be a wolf looking for a safe place to vote outside the wagons and wow would you look at that.

Not really feeling Creature but Scotty doesn't really need my vote atp.. mm..

Do this for now

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Nate's wolf equity has just gone through the roof.

[Lawpy]

How would me receiving functionless fruit give you useful information into my affiliation??

Was your master plan to ask me about the fruit, and I just happened to ask you what you did last night first?

Did your write your name on it?

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

Who did you target N1?

Its even nights pls

Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

It’s independent of your questioning pls

[MacDougall]

Scotty doesn't need my vote is quite clearly "Creature is safe so I don't need to vote Scotty" made manifest into words imo.

[MacDougall]

I am removing Santygrass from my towncore also.

[MacDougall]

@Mayo the Mayo my towncore is tiny, it's literally just you right now. So uh, welcome to the brotherhood. Outline your issues with Lawpy so we can get aligned on that and then move on to the next slot to solve.

[Lawpy]

Lawpy did you use both your votes on Mayo?

No pls i used a single vote

[Mayo the Mayo]

Do you know what a fruit vendor is pls?

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

Who did you target N1?

Its even nights pls

Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

It’s independent of your questioning pls

So the plan was:

1. You have a fruit vendor ability that only worked 1 night so far

2. You decided to send it to me, with the hopes of asking about it

3. This information would somehow help you reassess my affiliation.

4. Entirely coincidentally, I had decided to start the day by tagging you on the thread and asking you what you did last night.

5. You quoted that post

6. Your response to that quote was independent of it

[NateTheLesser]

Lawpy did you use both your votes on Mayo?

No pls i used a single vote

Didn't you have a bonus vote?

[Lawpy]

A convenient fake claim in this instance.

You said it was to reassess my affiliation.

How does sending me fruit help you reassess me?

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

Who did you target N1?

Its even nights pls

Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

It’s independent of your questioning pls

So the plan was:

1. You have a fruit vendor ability that only worked 1 night so far

2. You decided to send it to me, with the hopes of asking about it

3. This information would somehow help you reassess my affiliation.

4. Entirely coincidentally, I had decided to start the day by tagging you on the thread and asking you what you did last night.

5. You quoted that post

6. Your response to that quote was independent of it

No 2 goes too far. Yes i sent it to you but i’m aware that this is a role madness game so i can’t be certain whether you actually received it. I was trying to use it like a visitor role.

And yes, again, i don’t start off blindly discussing mechanics. You asked a mechanical question, so i quoted it and replied.

[Mayo the Mayo]

@Mayo the Mayo my towncore is tiny, it's literally just you right now. So uh, welcome to the brotherhood. Outline your issues with Lawpy so we can get aligned on that and then move on to the next slot to solve.

The basics of it:

I think the fruit vendor is a fake claim. It should be pretty obviously a fake claim by his defense of it

VCA matching his wolf play. Saying we should ignore that because he is always bad at voting

I think he was trying to pocket zenge by defending him. He never actually pursued the falcon vote.

His argument against me doesn't make sense, since I wasn't opposing Zenges at any point. I actually defended his read against TS players saying we should disregard Zenges because they were better at reading falcon

The dya iso looks worse in retrospect

[Mayo the Mayo]

Lawpy did you use both your votes on Mayo?

No pls i used a single vote

Didn't you have a bonus vote?

He spent it on fruit

[Lawpy]

Lawpy did you use both your votes on Mayo?

No pls i used a single vote

Didn't you have a bonus vote?

I did but i didn’t use it.

[NateTheLesser]

Scotty doesn't need my vote is quite clearly "Creature is safe so I don't need to vote Scotty" made manifest into words imo.

I'm not that dumb.

I was giving Creature a break because my other experience with him was as low-posting town who got suspected for it, and I was fine with the Scotty wagon. If I were a partner I could have stayed on Creature for cred since it didn't look like he was going over.

[Lawpy]

Hold pls

[NateTheLesser]

Hmmmm

[VOTE: Miranda] aubergine

Nevermind this feels better

Why?

Because they've been less talked about. And I don't know how Dennis plays, and I know miranda a little more and they havent hit a single town note for me yet, so more worrysome

The thing with miranda is I feel like she was a lot more confident as a wolf, like into LAMIST territory, which is what pinged me in the FE game when she was wolfing. And I haven't seen that here. It's not really town points, but that plus Creature casually piling on her makes her not really a priority for me. I'd rather give her space and see what she does.

[santygrass]

I am removing Santygrass from my towncore also.

@Mayo the Mayo my towncore is tiny, it's literally just you right now. So uh, welcome to the brotherhood. Outline your issues with Lawpy so we can get aligned on that and then move on to the next slot to solve.

Not wanting to be ONGussy , but I am for sure less certain now that Mac is town.

Like, nnexplaines removal of a townread (less willing to form a town block) , to then a pockety post to mayo . Gives me the worries.

I'll mull it over.

Mayo is town tho. Lawpy sussing there is concerning.

Now, to sleep

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Are we allowed to claim in this set up?

4. It is legal to claim roles and to reveal role-related information publicly.

Sick I'm just gonna full claim I am night 1 and 2 compulsory roleblocker

Blocked Dennis n1 and Marmot last night

I am now essentially vanilla

[Mayo the Mayo]

A genuine claim pls.

To see if it works.

Who did you target N1?

Its even nights pls

Convenient.

So your fruit vendor ability only worked the one night where I, completely coincidentally, decided to start the day asking you what you did last night?

It’s independent of your questioning pls

So the plan was:

1. You have a fruit vendor ability that only worked 1 night so far

2. You decided to send it to me, with the hopes of asking about it

3. This information would somehow help you reassess my affiliation.

4. Entirely coincidentally, I had decided to start the day by tagging you on the thread and asking you what you did last night.

5. You quoted that post

6. Your response to that quote was independent of it

No 2 goes too far. Yes i sent it to you but i’m aware that this is a role madness game so i can’t be certain whether you actually received it. I was trying to use it like a visitor role.

And yes, again, i don’t start off blindly discussing mechanics. You asked a mechanical question, so i quoted it and replied.

You are contradicting yourself again.

[MacDougall]

Scotty doesn't need my vote is quite clearly "Creature is safe so I don't need to vote Scotty" made manifest into words imo.

I'm not that dumb.

I was giving Creature a break because my other experience with him was as low-posting town who got suspected for it, and I was fine with the Scotty wagon. If I were a partner I could have stayed on Creature for cred since it didn't look like he was going over.

I didn't even notice you moved OFF Creature. That makes it so much worse. Your vote is arguably the most decisive one cast in terms of Creature living and Scotty dying.