The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:I got nothing. Perhaps fingersplints got the safe WITH a few items in it?

LizKeen wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

I did not "lull" Golden into anything. You think I was working with Zomberella and then turned around and put the second vote on her? It would have made more sense for me to go along with Golden's "I think we can turn this lynch around" idea if that was the case. I don't buy into the whole "mafia could be throwing their teammates under the bus" theory, it has never made sense to me when it comes to an early vote. Later yes, I can see it, but in the first few votes almost a day before the lynch does not make any sense to me. Not unless they're the millionaire and even then that's pretty risky.


Wasn't fs the first vote for Epi?

I think I get what you're trying to hint at SVS but if that's the case why imply it was the item you had saving you rather than letting us think you were maybe Legga. Surely if that wasn't your role Legga wouldn't have minded people thinking it, until/unless someone tried to nightkill them. I've been baffled at the fact the mafia tried to kill you night 2 but then never pursued it again. The thing about Oliver Oliver is how does he know who he's talking to is telling him the truth?


I've been trying to get into Hedville but it's not letting me. I've been trying to find the Piano but it's not coming up in my searches. Did anyone ever play there? If so do you have a link? I know I stopped playing around 2009 or 10.


I'd like to put it out there my vote record is as such: I voted Zomberella Day 1. She wasn't the Millionaire so that would have pointless if I knew her role. bf/townie lynched.
Day 2, I missed the vote but I was pretty clear I wasn't on board with that MM lynch. MM /townie lynched
Day 3, I voted second for Zombarella (granted I was worried about myself) but she was lynched/mafia
Day 4, I thought that was a complete railroad of Sophie. I voted DP. He was n/k'ed so I assume he was townie but that was an odd kill. I wouldn't have been on board with it if I was mafia because he probably could have been easily lynched the next day.
Day 5, Voted 4th for Epi. It was a half-day until the vote-could have gone any which way. I posted my suspicion of him Day 2 and I never wavered from thinking he was probably mafia. Lynched/mafia.

I wasn't going to post that because I knew it would just be jumped on as WIFOM but I really got nothing much to lose at this point.

rabbit8 wrote:

Dom wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I did vote Epig

Yeah, but your defense of him was very....defensive....

do u have any suspicious suspicions?

I do still wonder about Canuklehead TBH.



Linky: and you did not defend Zomba.....we know, you could just not make up your mind....we know, ad nauseam.

fingersplints wrote:

LizKeen wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

I did not "lull" Golden into anything. You think I was working with Zomberella and then turned around and put the second vote on her? It would have made more sense for me to go along with Golden's "I think we can turn this lynch around" idea if that was the case. I don't buy into the whole "mafia could be throwing their teammates under the bus" theory, it has never made sense to me when it comes to an early vote. Later yes, I can see it, but in the first few votes almost a day before the lynch does not make any sense to me. Not unless they're the millionaire and even then that's pretty risky.

I did not mean "lull" as in an actual literal effort on YOUR part; I meant it more on Zombas part. The three of you were here, though, all talking when I got here. And Golden was all, "Yay, it's a civvie party". You may or may not have been helping Zomba that way. I have to reread that AM, and probably right soon as both LC & Dom are reminding me that Golden is dead, and I will have to pull a few quotes.

And I am thinking Zomba, like Golden, had RL that would keep her away from the site for a while, becasue she was away for half the last day she had, and until yesterday, was gone pretty much since she died. I am not onsite 24/7, but I have a window open alot, and she has not been around.


Wasn't fs the first vote for Epi?

I think I get what you're trying to hint at SVS but if that's the case why imply it was the item you had saving you rather than letting us think you were maybe Legga. Surely if that wasn't your role Legga wouldn't have minded people thinking it, until/unless someone tried to nightkill them. I've been baffled at the fact the mafia tried to kill you night 2 but then never pursued it again. The thing about Oliver Oliver is how does he know who he's talking to is telling him the truth?

Re Oliver~ he does not know that; that is the risk of that kind of role. But every night he learns a bit more, and eventually can determine who is lying. I would like to tell him my story. He does not have to believe me.

The first night they could have pursued it was last night; no double targeting, so Night 3, I was off the table. And I have been taking some heat, so why would they try again? And if I WAS Legga, there is this:

RULES

1. No role outing of yourself or others. Role hint with extreme caution.

I am not afraid to cross a weakly drawn line or two, but pissing off the host is crossing a major line. The night post does not say I was the target the night there was no kill. I believe that I was the target. I blurted that out in the thread without thinking about it, and added a within the rules explanation for what i think happened. Are you saying that if YOU were Legga, YOU would have broken the rules there? Had the HOST said I was the target, I would not have offered an explanation. But he did not; I said it. I felt an explanation was needed. Just saying I survived an NK with no explanation given would have been role claiming, whether it was true or false. Since as far as I can tell, there is only one role with an automatic Night Protection.


I've been trying to get into Hedville but it's not letting me. I've been trying to find the Piano but it's not coming up in my searches. Did anyone ever play there? If so do you have a link? I know I stopped playing around 2009 or 10.

I have Grimmy on Facebook & IM; I can pass a message on to him if you like to reset your password for you. I loved every game at Hedville~ as a matter of fact, Bea & I are discussing rerunning a Hedville game or two here.


I'd like to put it out there my vote record is as such: I voted Zomberella Day 1. She wasn't the Millionaire so that would have pointless if I knew her role. bf/townie lynched.
Day 2, I missed the vote but I was pretty clear I wasn't on board with that MM lynch. MM /townie lynched
Day 3, I voted second for Zombarella (granted I was worried about myself) but she was lynched/mafia
Day 4, I thought that was a complete railroad of Sophie. I voted DP. He was n/k'ed so I assume he was townie but that was an odd kill. I wouldn't have been on board with it if I was mafia because he probably could have been easily lynched the next day.
Day 5, Voted 4th for Epi. It was a half-day until the vote-could have gone any which way. I posted my suspicion of him Day 2 and I never wavered from thinking he was probably mafia. Lynched/mafia.

I wasn't going to post that because I knew it would just be jumped on as WIFOM but I really got nothing much to lose at this point.

I did vote Epi first.

Thepiano is dead. Most of us played there, though I didn't in 2009. LC and a few others probably did.

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I did not defend him; I said I was not sure he was bad. And I was not. But I saw something in something LC said. I think he is wrong about TH, but between what he said & what MM said, I decided to reread him. That is the point of case making, right? To change peoples minds? Well, I changed mine. I felt it more likely that someone other than him would curse me that way, and read the cases with a more open mind. Plus him kissing up to me with those "time to defend" lyrics that he posted kinda pissed me off~

Why did you say I was bad, but list reasons to not vote Epig... why not vote me?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Everyone who ever played with Sophie thought she was bad. Then there were the people who did not think she was bad but voted for her anyhow.

Not me.

No. No. No. No. No.

Don't mind me, just relieving myself.


Btw, nice job everyone. Thank you for believing LC and myself.

this.

Long Con wrote:Putting the blame all on Golden for your turnaround is so... convenient.

Convenient that Golden is dead.

S~V~S wrote:

LizKeen wrote:I'll go look at Hedville when I get home.


We only have your word you were even cursed,and how did you know a civvie did it? The doctor has an ability? How were you silenced when you posted on Epi. Wouldn't silence trump everything?
You completely backtracked today and you flipped your opinion on Zombarella when she was in trouble.


FS, you suspect me, what about SVS?

I'm not worried, I don't think there's shoe-eating in my future.

I think Splints has made it clear she does not suspect me

And the Silence is a baddie power. They would not both curse & silence someone, would they? The host allowed me to meet the conditions of the curse and also the silence in that I could not talk about anything other than the curse, and could only make the minimum number of posts required by the curse, 5.

And this host does not think that one trums the other, he obviously thinks all targets are equal

Linki ~ there you go. I thought Epi sent me the Compliment Epi curse. But in retrospect, I can think of a few others who would find that amusing Civvie Others.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.

juliets wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.

bwt, what stands out for you as evidence she is bad? I am reading her as civ this game but want to make sure I am looking at both sides of the issues.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

rabbit8 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Dom knows how I feel about distancing.

Feelings can change ..........

Linki

Exactly, and mine did. About Zomba, not distancing.

Alright.

But the results of this lynch might affect how I feel about you changing your mind on Zomba.

Linki: HELLS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

Linki2: Absolutely, Bullz. Major save attempt right there.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?

Why does Zomba being bad mean that Vomps is bad?

S~V~S wrote:It doesn't mean that. I never said that. But her being bad does mnotb make him good.

Then what does it mean?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:It means he could be bad or good. This isn't rocket science.

So then you can't decide which he is?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:It means he could be bad or good. This isn't rocket science.

So then you can't decide which he is?

Wow that is quite the misinterpretation of what I said. What I said was that just because Zomba was bad does not make Vomps good. You and Dom are taking a simple remark and twisting it into something it is not.

And Rabbit, I am not bad, and furthermore, I think you know it.

So if you had to lean good or lean bad right now for Vomps, which would it be?

I'm not twisting your words against you. All I've done is pull direct quotes and asked questions. How is that twisting?

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.

I think I buy her story too.

tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK

S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.

What do you think happens when the millionaire gets more power? Maybe his vote becomes more?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

Nice deflection to Golden there.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.

fingersplints wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

Nice deflection to Golden there.

I'm pretty sure golden thought he was to blame too

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.

I think I buy her story too.

tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK

Out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on SVS?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.

But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that

Nice deflection to Golden there.

I'm pretty sure golden thought he was to blame too

I think he did, yeah. But given Golden is dead now, this feels a bit too...convenient to me.

I'd really like to hear something convincing from the people who think SVS is civ/civ-friendly. Because I feel like I can only see one side of this and would like to be able to examine other perspectives.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.

Turnip Head wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.

I'm getting just as tired of his votes for me as you are.

Dom wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.

I think I buy her story too.

tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK

Out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on SVS?

What do you mean?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.

I think I buy her story too.

tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK

Out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on SVS?

What do you mean?

Well when you said you buy her story, I thought you meant you're leaning civ on her. Are you now or does her not voting Epig still make you unsure of her or think she's bad?

rabbit8 wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.

I think I buy her story too.

tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK

Out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on SVS?

What do you mean?

Well when you said you buy her story, I thought you meant you're leaning civ on her. Are you now or does her not voting Epig still make you unsure of her or think she's bad?

SVS voted for Epi.

S~V~S wrote:OK, if Eloh, his wife, and Juliets, the gentlest Mafia player I know, can vote for him, so can I.

Sorry Epi, I thought you might have sent me that Compliment Epi thing, but I don't think you did.

thellama73 wrote:My boss told us to go home early today. I'm missing three PMs. The sooner I get those, the sooner I can get the post up and go drinking!

Drink he couldn't combat but he knew he was no sinner.

S~V~S wrote:I have a funny feeling that I may be the only scapegoat today. Not sure why I think that ...

Since there is a theory that Vomp is voting TH becasue TH is the Millionaire (not a theory I subscribe to, tbh, like at all, I think it's a horrible theory) I suggest we lynch Vompatti. And see how that works out for us. Or maybe we could lynch me. Then you could see that what I have been selling is true, and then maybe you could look for real baddies.

But really, I would like to start with Vomp.

S~V~S wrote: @Llama~ if a team is eliminated, will the thread be told?

Long Con wrote:RIP, Splintsy, if it's any consolation, I trusted you for the most part.

I feel like it's something I've seen in a game before... a baddie killing the very Civvie that trusted them the most as a way to trick the other Civvies.

Bullzeye wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I have a funny feeling that I may be the only scapegoat today. Not sure why I think that ...

Since there is a theory that Vomp is voting TH becasue TH is the Millionaire (not a theory I subscribe to, tbh, like at all, I think it's a horrible theory) I suggest we lynch Vompatti. And see how that works out for us. Or maybe we could lynch me. Then you could see that what I have been selling is true, and then maybe you could look for real baddies.

But really, I would like to start with Vomp.

I would certainly not like to lynch you. However... Vomp, I still don't think is bad. Just because of the Zomb lynch. 14 votes for either one, and people think both might be bad? I dunno. I could still see a Liz lynch, if you're up for that?

Bullzeye wrote:Being useful and being a civvie are two entirely different things though.

LizKeen wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Being useful and being a civvie are two entirely different things though.

Ok, what is it about Vompatti's post that you're finding civvie?