The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.

Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...

Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.

No I don't.

If I'm Troupe, LC dies instead of Spirit2 on Day 2.

The mod told you the GGs are dead.

Please explain how I can be mafia.

EBWOP

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.

Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...

Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.

No I don't.

If I'm Troupe, LC dies instead of Spirit2 on Day 1.

The mod told you the GGs are dead.

Please explain how I can be mafia.

LC claims he won a prize on day two. He claims it was a lynch save.

Who is to say it wasn't actually an extra vote or two to stick on sprit to get you cleared?

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Why does MP get the benefit of the doubt but I don't? Only one of us can be lying to you.

Good to know you are outright telling me that 'one of you must be lying'.

But it doesn't explain why you trust Quin.

I've played what feels like 100 games with MP. He isn't getting 'the benefit of the doubt'. I don't think he is bad. He's fooled me before, though. But not often. I don't know you at all. I do know LC, and what I know is LC would absolutely revel in a plot that would lock clear you.

Having said that - right now I wouldn't say I trust either of you, exactly. I'm keeping my mind open to the idea that either of you are bad.

But you and LC coming out and suddenly defending Quin post-fact of my vote is unhelpful. I'd been angling toward him as a key suspect all day. Why did neither of you ever make a proper case about why Quin looks good and not on sprit's team if you wanted to defend him so much?

Wait wait. Suddenly?

That's how it appeared to me. No real effort seemed to be engaged in explaining why quin wasn't bad until after I voted him.

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.

Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...

Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.

No I don't.

If I'm Troupe, LC dies instead of Spirit2 on Day 1.

The mod told you the GGs are dead.

Please explain how I can be mafia.

LC claims he won a prize on day two. He claims it was a lynch save.

Who is to say it wasn't actually an extra vote or two to stick on sprit to get you cleared?

LC didn't vote for Spirit.

Your theory is LC lied about his reward, magicked votes onto his teammate and used that as part of an evil plan to clear me? And also DDL and INS for kicks?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:If you HAD to vote for Dom or Sorsha, who would it be?

Me? Doesn't matter to me. I'm fine either way.

MP is bad.

Spoiler: show

Dom wrote:Mark my words.

Lol, the fact that any of you all think I would make this post as a baddie is amusing.

WIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOMWIFOM

Golden wrote:That's how it appeared to me. No real effort seemed to be engaged in explaining why quin wasn't bad until after I voted him.

Bro....

MovingPictures07 wrote:I realize this is going to be ironic given the conversation I had earlier with Epi, but let me just say one thing about this and then drop it:

Do you all really think, especially those who know me, as a baddie I would have behaved as cavalier about this game as I have for most of this game if I i here bad? My job as a baddie is always to try to convince you all I'm the towniest town that ever towned, and I take that as a personal challenge even when I'm low on time. I get off on successfully doing that. Why would I pass up another opportunity to do that?

My actions are not indicative of a baddie. I'm low hanging fruit. But it's OK because frankly I'm shocked it took you all this long to want to lynch me.

Never assume someone will always have time for mafia.

RL tends to obliterate those assumptions.

I actually agree with your points, but I'm also having to cover my nose while reading them because the smell of WIFOM is intoxicating.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.

Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...

Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.

No I don't.

If I'm Troupe, LC dies instead of Spirit2 on Day 1.

The mod told you the GGs are dead.

Please explain how I can be mafia.

LC claims he won a prize on day two. He claims it was a lynch save.

Who is to say it wasn't actually an extra vote or two to stick on sprit to get you cleared?

LC didn't vote for Spirit.

Your theory is LC lied about his reward, magicked votes onto his teammate and used that as part of an evil plan to clear me? And also DDL and INS for kicks?

I think it's possible.

I think you are probably town, but I don't like the way you've stopped putting analysis in and now you're making statements that we should just assume are true because you are lock cleared. I explained many pages ago now that I trust sig more than I trust you or DDL, because mechanical clears are inherently untrustworthy.

I do, however, understand fully what you and LC are hinting at, and why you are opposed to MP. I just don't know why I should then trust your vouching for Quin?

You see... things you say don't add up...

But yes, I fully understand what you mean by "I am groot", ok? And I do trust it... just not fully fully. I'm a paranoid guy.

Golden wrote:But yes, I fully understand what you mean by "I am groot", ok? And I do trust it... just not fully fully. I'm a paranoid guy.

You know what would help with that?

Holding your vote. It's hard to have a discussion on who to lynch while someone's sitting around with "a ton" of votes on them and others are just voting wherever based on tinfoil and following other player's tinfoil.

How do you feel about Daisy blaming her vote on you?

Where does it go on a scale of careless to malicious?

Epignosis wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:The zebra kill puzzles me a good deal.

Elaborate.

Of everyone alive, why would Olaf want zebra dead? Zebra was hardly participating and apt to miss additional votes.

Maybe he knew Zebra was the last/penultimate Guardian and wanted to get rid of competition (to get the extra kill/remove the enemy kill)?

Jack, you're determined Quin would be lynched tomorrow anyway. You had trouble figuring out how to change the tide with, apparently, only two votes on Quin and at least you, LC, Quin and Epi against voting Quin. This doesn't make much sense in isolation.

Basically, it seems to me that you're saying Quin has the bowl and he's already dead. Well, Quin was a dumbass to go after the bowl when he had a whole lot of suspicion on him, then.

It's not on me if Quin is already dead.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:"I think MP is bad because he's obviously Indy"

You can lynch me today. I'm cool with that. I really am. But you will be next, because you just stepped on a land mine.

Why the hell would I be next? I've heard literally no argument for why I should be lynched other than "MP is acting like he's an Indy and I don't believe him", which is absurd. But at least LC is giving something. The rest of you all are giving nothing. You just said "MP is bad" with nothing to assert it, even when I countered your post with a legitimate question.

It's frustrating and makes you look suspicious as fuck.

I still don't like how you disappeared for a long time then suddenly came up with a full rainbow list and a bunch of opinions.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:I wish Daisy had felt the need to tell us why she's so sure MP is on the up and up.

One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy. Very few MP posts (especially if Daisy skipped some during catch-up). Several dead info gatherers.

I don't believe Daisy. There's little reason to.

Because she's right.

And if you don't believe her why didn't you vote for me?

Cause there's no way to get enough votes on you by my estimation.

If Sorsha, DDL and Quin were going to be around today and if Golden and Daisy hadn't already thrown away their votes, maybe I would.

Quin implied his death would somehow catch you. Let's go, minesweeper.

What? This is made up of a fuckton of assumptions, some of which I can't even fathom and others I know are incorrect.

Don't tell us that we "suddenly" thought Quin wasn't bad. My rainbow list far preceded your little spat with him last night.

But that's fine. You're probably right. Quin is so bad, and you have a fantastic read on MP. I'm going to trust you on this one, Golden old pal.

*votes Quin* I don't have to tell you how bad I feel.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:One player on the short list vouching for another player on the short list makes me itchy.

Welcome to how the rest of us feel about you, LC and Quin...

Yeah, but you know I'm not mafia.

Why does MP get the benefit of the doubt but I don't? Only one of us can be lying to you.

What the hell am I even lying about?

I do not understand a single thing of what you're doing.

Yeah, whatever.

@Golden

You can count higher if you take off your shoes. That's how I did it.

You were saying how I suddenly started defending Quin?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I realize this is going to be ironic given the conversation I had earlier with Epi, but let me just say one thing about this and then drop it:

Do you all really think, especially those who know me, as a baddie I would have behaved as cavalier about this game as I have for most of this game if I i here bad? My job as a baddie is always to try to convince you all I'm the towniest town that ever towned, and I take that as a personal challenge even when I'm low on time. I get off on successfully doing that. Why would I pass up another opportunity to do that?

My actions are not indicative of a baddie. I'm low hanging fruit. But it's OK because frankly I'm shocked it took you all this long to want to lynch me.

Never assume someone will always have time for mafia.

RL tends to obliterate those assumptions.

I actually agree with your points, but I'm also having to cover my nose while reading them because the smell of WIFOM is intoxicating.

I've been playing this game despite RL limitations. I know it's WIFOM, but literally the only reason anyone has thrown any rationalization for voting for me so far has been vague POE and "I don't believe MP's Indy claim", the first of which I can't even defend against and the second of which is pure WIFOM.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:But yes, I fully understand what you mean by "I am groot", ok? And I do trust it... just not fully fully. I'm a paranoid guy.

You know what would help with that?

Holding your vote. It's hard to have a discussion on who to lynch while someone's sitting around with "a ton" of votes on them and others are just voting wherever based on tinfoil and following other player's tinfoil.

How do you feel about Daisy blaming her vote on you?

Where does it go on a scale of careless to malicious?

Irony.

That sound right to you, Sig.

I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?

Golden wrote:Jack, you're determined Quin would be lynched tomorrow anyway. You had trouble figuring out how to change the tide with, apparently, only two votes on Quin and at least you, LC, Quin and Epi against voting Quin. This doesn't make much sense in isolation.

Basically, it seems to me that you're saying Quin has the bowl and he's already dead. Well, Quin was a dumbass to go after the bowl when he had a whole lot of suspicion on him, then.

It's not on me if Quin is already dead.

I don't understand it either. I'm still open to voting other people not Quin, yet Jack acts like it's insurmountable to lynch me or someone else.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:"I think MP is bad because he's obviously Indy"

You can lynch me today. I'm cool with that. I really am. But you will be next, because you just stepped on a land mine.

Why the hell would I be next? I've heard literally no argument for why I should be lynched other than "MP is acting like he's an Indy and I don't believe him", which is absurd. But at least LC is giving something. The rest of you all are giving nothing. You just said "MP is bad" with nothing to assert it, even when I countered your post with a legitimate question.

It's frustrating and makes you look suspicious as fuck.

I still don't like how you disappeared for a long time then suddenly came up with a full rainbow list and a bunch of opinions.

What makes it anti-town?

Long Con wrote:Don't tell us that we "suddenly" thought Quin wasn't bad. My rainbow list far preceded your little spat with him last night.

But that's fine. You're probably right. Quin is so bad, and you have a fantastic read on MP. I'm going to trust you on this one, Golden old pal.

*votes Quin* I don't have to tell you how bad I feel.

What the hell is this?

I have a bad feeling Quin is town, we're all being played by at least someone, and everyone's going to prime to lynch me tomorrow.

Long Con 310
Quin 260
Jackofhearts2005 215
MovingPictures07 159
Spacedaisy 82

Who is easier to make a case on to make them look any way you like? Someone with more posts, or less?

Note that most of MP's posts are from the last 48 hours.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:That sound right to you, Sig.

I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?

I like you, Jack, but I'm really sick of you and LC playing the martyr. Get over yourselves. If you've gone and cleared yourselves by killing Quin, or if you are going to take down a member of the Troupe as a result of lynching quin, then great. It's a step forward in the chances of the town winning the game.

I'm voting Quin, whatever. I hope this ends the game, because if it doesn't and we're just going to mindlessly lynch me tomorrow, I'm going to lose it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Don't tell us that we "suddenly" thought Quin wasn't bad. My rainbow list far preceded your little spat with him last night.

But that's fine. You're probably right. Quin is so bad, and you have a fantastic read on MP. I'm going to trust you on this one, Golden old pal.

*votes Quin* I don't have to tell you how bad I feel.

What the hell is this?

I have a bad feeling Quin is town, we're all being played by at least someone, and everyone's going to prime to lynch me tomorrow.

I know exactly what you're trying to do

If you haven't voted, vote for me. If you trust me, do it. If you don't, even better.

Don't let mp have his way.

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Don't tell us that we "suddenly" thought Quin wasn't bad. My rainbow list far preceded your little spat with him last night.

But that's fine. You're probably right. Quin is so bad, and you have a fantastic read on MP. I'm going to trust you on this one, Golden old pal.

*votes Quin* I don't have to tell you how bad I feel.

What the hell is this?

I have a bad feeling Quin is town, we're all being played by at least someone, and everyone's going to prime to lynch me tomorrow.

I know exactly what you're trying to do

If you haven't voted, vote for me. If you trust me, do it. If you don't, even better.

Don't let mp have his way.

WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT

I'm done with this vague bullshit. Any possible role-based info anyone could have on me being bad is incorrect.

Long Con wrote:Long Con 310
Quin 260
Jackofhearts2005 215
MovingPictures07 159
Spacedaisy 82

Who is easier to make a case on to make them look any way you like? Someone with more posts, or less?

Note that most of MP's posts are from the last 48 hours.

If you and Jack are so certain MP was bad today, why did you not vote for him at the start of the day?

Why did you make vague rainbow lists and equivocate and say nothing certain except protect each other until I voted Quin, at which point you both leapt out of your skins.

I am really disappointed with you this phase LC. You and Jack are putting me down (as Quin did, actually), and it's something I'm over this game. I made the best vote I could make in the circumstances. Stop acting like I should have known better.

See you all later, this is really pissing me off.

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:That sound right to you, Sig.

I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?

I like you, Jack, but I'm really sick of you and LC playing the martyr. Get over yourselves. If you've gone and cleared yourselves by killing Quin, or if you are going to take down a member of the Troupe as a result of lynching quin, then great. It's a step forward in the chances of the town winning the game.

I'm not the martyr. Quin is the martyr, if he gets enough votes.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:That sound right to you, Sig.

I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?

I like you, Jack, but I'm really sick of you and LC playing the martyr. Get over yourselves. If you've gone and cleared yourselves by killing Quin, or if you are going to take down a member of the Troupe as a result of lynching quin, then great. It's a step forward in the chances of the town winning the game.

I'm not the martyr. Quin is the martyr, if he gets enough votes.

You're acting like you're all martyrs together

Golden wrote:
I think it's possible.

I think you are probably town, but I don't like the way you've stopped putting analysis in and now you're making statements that we should just assume are true because you are lock cleared. I explained many pages ago now that I trust sig more than I trust you or DDL, because mechanical clears are inherently untrustworthy.

I do, however, understand fully what you and LC are hinting at, and why you are opposed to MP. I just don't know why I should then trust your vouching for Quin?

You see... things you say don't add up...

All you are saying could be true but the Occam's Razor is way too strong here.

There is the stuff LC said. The stuff Epi said. The fact this stunt requires 3 baddies to work. All the ways it could go wrong. The fact someone could lolredirect a lynch on Jack or something and then take down LC and collateral damage.

It just requires too many assumptions to work.

If Jack is bad this is the best gambit I've ever seen.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Quin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:"I think MP is bad because he's obviously Indy"

You can lynch me today. I'm cool with that. I really am. But you will be next, because you just stepped on a land mine.

Why the hell would I be next? I've heard literally no argument for why I should be lynched other than "MP is acting like he's an Indy and I don't believe him", which is absurd. But at least LC is giving something. The rest of you all are giving nothing. You just said "MP is bad" with nothing to assert it, even when I countered your post with a legitimate question.

It's frustrating and makes you look suspicious as fuck.

I still don't like how you disappeared for a long time then suddenly came up with a full rainbow list and a bunch of opinions.

What makes it anti-town?

I just thought it looked artificial.

I know it's kind of a weak excuse to suspect someone at this point of the game but gut is gut.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm voting Quin, whatever. I hope this ends the game, because if it doesn't and we're just going to mindlessly lynch me tomorrow, I'm going to lose it.

Calm your tits.

No seriously MP you aren't being voted today and everyone here has 3-4 suspects. Relax.

Or maybe take a break like you just said you would. It's a good idea.

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:That sound right to you, Sig.

I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?

I like you, Jack, but I'm really sick of you and LC playing the martyr. Get over yourselves. If you've gone and cleared yourselves by killing Quin, or if you are going to take down a member of the Troupe as a result of lynching quin, then great. It's a step forward in the chances of the town winning the game.

I'm not the martyr. Quin is the martyr, if he gets enough votes.

You're acting like you're all martyrs together

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No seriously MP you aren't being voted today and everyone here has 3-4 suspects. Relax.

Or maybe take a break like you just said you would. It's a good idea.

LC, Quin and Jack clearly all have one suspect, MP, and are suggesting that Quin's death is going to end MPs life in the game as well.

So, lets not pretend like MP has something to relax about. A whole team of some kind is openly voting one of their own out to kill him.

All I can say is, you guys better be right!

I'd feel more comfortable if it was Sorsha or Daisy going out.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this vague bullshit. Any possible role-based info anyone could have on me being bad is incorrect.

All you are is my biggest suspect. No info, and if you're, like, Ishmael or something, then I was wrong. Maybe you're even a Civ claiming Indy to survive.

Golden, you my bro. *fist to chest*

Anyways, homies, I'm going out for a night of drinking and poker. Sorry my play has been disappointing. I should have been less lazy and made less assumptions about what everyone else believed.

To me, the baddies are almost certainly in the group of quin, MP, sorsha and daisy.

If we get rid of any two of them in a single lynch, that's not terrible from my perspective. I just think at this point I'd really keep MP over the others.

*votes Quin*

I like when everyone does groundwork for me and I don't have to ISO anyone myself. I can just come and :seriousnod: at them.

I mean, I could do ISOs, but those always sucked when I'm the one doing them so I'm experimenting with the idea of letting others do that work and then just read every post to see who has the best points.

I agree with many stuff Golden and Dom said about Quin.

I guess if I'm supposed to bring an original argument, I didn't like the way he suddenly stopped attacking me. I mean, he said he still suspected me but was waiting. BS. If you suspect me, keep pushing. Otherwise you aren't actually trying to scumhunt.

Also process of elimination. Sig is supatown, Golden looks good. Jack is confirmed by the laws of probability. Epi looks supatown too and I don't want to let go of the Epi paranoia but I guess I have to put it to rest. Sorsha is an inactive, i'd be totally okay with lynching her but otherwise... meh. I don't like Dom's behavior a lot but he has said a lot of smart thing so he has some cred... for a while. LC was my suspect for a while but him and Epi made solid points for why it's just unlikely.

I have reasons to suspect MP but really him and Daisy vouching for each other gives pause. Couples tend to be scarily good at reading each other in this site. Besides, there is a good chance they could be both VFD. And I tend to doubt the idea of gratuituous fake claims, specially fake-claiming someone with BTSC. It's extremely risky unless Olaf knows the identity of both VFD's which in turn is extremely unlikely.

Anyone left? No? Well, proccess of elimination is a bitch.

But aside from that, just... :seriousnod:

Even Quin voted for Quin.

This isn't even on the table anymore.

God, I hope this isn't another Dom situation.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Even Quin voted for Quin.

This isn't even on the table anymore.

God, I hope this isn't another Dom situation.

It is another Dom situation. But it's one that should give us information, maybe... hopefully. Or even end the game.

Quin is claiming to be a bomb that will also take out MP.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No seriously MP you aren't being voted today and everyone here has 3-4 suspects. Relax.

Or maybe take a break like you just said you would. It's a good idea.

LC, Quin and Jack clearly all have one suspect, MP, and are suggesting that Quin's death is going to end MPs life in the game as well.

So, lets not pretend like MP has something to relax about. A whole team of some kind is openly voting one of their own out to kill him.

There is something he should relax about.

The fact this is a game.

If MP is reacting the way he seems to be because of a game, then he has every reason to lie on his couch and relax until he remembers this is a game again.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Even Quin voted for Quin.

This isn't even on the table anymore.

God, I hope this isn't another Dom situation.

It is another Dom situation. But it's one that should give us information, maybe... hopefully. Or even end the game.

Quin is claiming to be a bomb that will also take out MP.

Oh I didn't see that.

Well then, another reason to lynch Quin.

Threatening to take townies with you is the classic last trick on a baddie's book.