The Syndicate

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:55 am**

jack sparrow would be a town role right? i think?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:56 am**

I accept that FG was Jack Sparrow.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:56 am**

i used google to figure out genocide jack

search like “jack blood lust scissors”

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:56 am**

so if Jack Sparrow was Funny, and Genocide Jack exists? then I'm going to believe that Genocide Jack still exists, as either a wolf, or a 3P SK.
Ohh the first half of the post pertains to a gun shot?
Maybe the shot did janitor Funny?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:57 am**

Untraceable would make sense I guess?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:57 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:55 am jack sparrow would be a town role right? i think?

In the movies, yeah, but our Host could easily put him as any alignment, and I wouldn't bat an eyelash.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:57 am**

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:57 am Untraceable would make sense I guess?

Agreed, I liked that theory.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:58 am**

again, we’ll know if jack daw janitors their targets as soon as we get another kill from them

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:00 am**

Ok maybe this conversation wasn't useless
Funnygirl can be town, and I was wrong it seems
her play was still bad because he removed information going into the night
but being against the counter train probably just makes her town

[mention]Hally[/mention]
Fair, but do we really want that to happen again...

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:02 am**

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:00 am Ok maybe this conversation wasn't useless
Funnygirl can be town, and I was wrong it seems
her play was still bad because he removed information going into the night
but being against the counter train probably just makes her town

@Hally
Fair, but do we really want that to happen again...

idk

if jack daw does janitor their targets, and they are a town vig then yeah, they may want to holster

we need flips not deaths

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:02 am**

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:51 am Wait didnt we all assume that Funny was Jack Sparrow?

I don’t think they ever claimed or said they were, it was just assumed because of a YouTube link JoH posted. Idk if it had anything to do with their character or not.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:03 am**

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:02 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 12:51 am Wait didnt we all assume that Funny was Jack Sparrow?
I don’t think they ever claimed or said they were, it was just assumed because of a YouTube link JoH posted. Idk if it had anything to do with their character or not.

im sure it did

makes sense with her role being like an escape artist

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:04 am**

yeah tbh @ jack daw

if you are a town vig, you may wanna not kill if we arent ever gonna get flips from your shots

if you arent town, ig do what you want lol

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:05 am**

Kill in the POE pool flips or not, I think.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:06 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:05 am Kill in the POE pool flips or not, I think.

really? i kinda want to see flips in the poe pool

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:07 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:05 am Kill in the POE pool flips or not, I think.
really? i kinda want to see flips in the poe pool

Flips are certainly preferable. If the civilians were giving killing power though, then the balance of the game is designed with that in mind. Refusing to use it does not strike me as wise. If the POE pool is slaughtered and the game isn't over, we proceed accordingly.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:09 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:07 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:06 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:05 am Kill in the POE pool flips or not, I think.
really? i kinda want to see flips in the poe pool
Flips are certainly preferable. If the civilians were giving killing power though, then the balance of the game is designed with that in mind. Refusing to use it does not strike me as wise. If the POE pool is slaughtered and the game isn't over, we proceed accordingly.

fair

i did consider the balance aspect yeah

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:10 am**

its just that without flips in the poe pool associations between flipped scum and living players cant be made

but maybe that doesnt matter as much?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:11 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:10 am its just that without flips in the poe pool associations between flipped scum and living players cant be made

but maybe that doesnt matter as much?

It'd be annoying and lame, but not to such a degree that it shouldn't be bothered with.

If all of this speculation even applies.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:14 am**

I agree that Kitsu looks good in light of this dialogue. I still cannot find it in me to say the same about Tony. To be clear, those two along with Jack form this game's HCRealms triad -- the specific mechanical nature of this thing is theirs to discern.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:16 am**

Wisp
Hally

Long Con
Spacedaisy

sabie12
KitsuShel
Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime
Alison

ColinIsCool
Pawn Lelouch
DrWilgy

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:19 am**

Jay is taking every opportunity to say that he doesn't think I look townie but he hasn't moved me down on his list, which seems arbitrary. His list, in fact, basically hasn't changed at all since day 1 from what I can tell.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:19 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:16 am Wisp
Hally

Long Con
Spacedaisy

sabie12
KitsuShel
Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime
Alison

ColinIsCool
Pawn Lelouch
DrWilgy

looks good to me

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:21 am**

tbh i do lightly tr tony and alison, just less so than the tiers above them

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:22 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:19 am Jay is taking every opportunity to say that he doesn't think I look townie but he hasn't moved me down on his list, which seems arbitrary. His list, in fact, basically hasn't changed at all since day 1 from what I can tell.

You're right. My partner in POE crime got offed, one of my suspects died with no flip, three of my town core mates [semi] confirmed to open Day 2, Long Con became a green, and the rest has pretty much stayed the same. I see exactly no reason to feel differently about the game.

I haven't "moved you down" because you've played the game hard enough that I can find a civilian in you if I squint. The same goes for Alison. Thus you're a tier.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:23 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:22 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:19 am Jay is taking every opportunity to say that he doesn't think I look townie but he hasn't moved me down on his list, which seems arbitrary. His list, in fact, basically hasn't changed at all since day 1 from what I can tell.
You're right. My partner in POE crime got offed, one of my suspects died with no flip, three of my town core mates [semi] confirmed to open Day 2, Long Con became a green, and the rest has pretty much stayed the same. I see exactly no reason to feel differently about the game.

I haven't "moved you down" because you've played the game hard enough that I can find a civilian in you if I squint. The same goes for Alison. Thus you're a tier.

I wanted you to slip here to be honest. I don't know what that would have looked like.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:23 am**

Probably not that though.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:24 am**

All the chat happens when I'm asleep.
I always thought of Jack Sparrow as a morally ambiguous chaotic neutral type character that is not good or bad but will do whatever he wants if it benefits him. If we are trying go discern anything about alignment from flavor and characters.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:25 am**

yeah like tbf, not much has changed since D1 for me either other than lc being cleared

everything else either sured up what i already thought or remain unchanged

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:25 am**

For those still concerned about Epignosis, I think your best bet is to review his ISO with a specific objective: determine who would fit as his mafia teammates. When I reviewed them all in speed mode at EON1 (link), I determined he could be a compatible teammate of seven players:

ColinIsCool
Pawnyo -- these two are in the POE, and are co-compatible. So technically Epignosis, Colin, Pawnyo is a plausible team.
Spacedaisy
Wisp
Kitsu
sabie12 -- fitting with these players is irrelevant if they're civilians.
Nanook

If the team isn't exactly Epignosis/Pawn/Colin, then it's more difficult to see a mafioso in Epi. If any among you investigate for yourselves you may feel differently. I think this is ideal though as opposed to the vaguer notions of suspicion with which he has been cased for the most part.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:27 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:25 am For those still concerned about Epignosis, I think your best bet is to review his ISO with a specific objective: determine who would fit as his mafia teammates. When I reviewed them all in speed mode at EON1 (link), I determined he could be a compatible teammate of seven players:

ColinIsCool
Pawnyo -- these two are in the POE, and are co-compatible. So technically Epignosis, Colin, Pawnyo is a plausible team.
Spacedaisy
Wisp
Kitsu
sabie12 -- fitting with these players is irrelevant if they're civilians.
Nanook

If the team isn't exactly Epignosis/Pawn/Colin, then it's more difficult to see a mafioso in Epi. If any among you investigate for yourselves you may feel differently. I think this is ideal though as opposed to the vaguer notions of suspicion with which he has been cased for the most part.

I think it can easily be you / epi but otherwise came to the same conclusion on epi earlier.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:27 am**

If the team is not exactly Colin/Wilgy/Pawn, then that means someone else has to be. I can't imagine the mafia team runs two deep.

One of them could be Funnygurl. If y'all saw flavor suggesting that's not the case, then that means vigilance is needed now to sort it out.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:29 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:27 am I think it can easily be you / epi but otherwise came to the same conclusion on epi earlier.

I'll be frank. One of the biggest reasons why I am struggling to see a civilian in you is that you keep saying I'm a suspect. I realize I am not confirmed, but I feel like I have been pretty damned obvious in my civilian game here. You even noticed in Ziggy when I was very much not that, so the difference ought to be stark. No pun intended.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:30 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:29 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:27 am I think it can easily be you / epi but otherwise came to the same conclusion on epi earlier.
I'll be frank. One of the biggest reasons why I am struggling to see a civilian in you is that you keep saying I'm a suspect. I realize I am not confirmed, but I feel like I have been pretty damned obvious in my civilian game here. You even noticed in Ziggy when I was very much not that, so the difference ought to be stark. No pun intended.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:35 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:29 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:27 am I think it can easily be you / epi but otherwise came to the same conclusion on epi earlier.
I'll be frank. One of the biggest reasons why I am struggling to see a civilian in you is that you keep saying I'm a suspect. I realize I am not confirmed, but I feel like I have been pretty damned obvious in my civilian game here. You even noticed in Ziggy when I was very much not that, so the difference ought to be stark. No pun intended.

you're a suspect because like six people are borderline town confirmed and if the scum team and 3P aren't included in the 4 people below me in the poe and epi then I think you're next. Also I don't like how you handled your role claim. I'm a hundred percent on board with the way you're conducting the game thusfar, but I have to keep reality in mind.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:37 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:35 am you're a suspect because like six people are borderline town confirmed and if the scum team and 3P aren't included in the 4 people below me in the poe and epi then I think you're next. Also I don't like how you handled your role claim. I'm a hundred percent on board with the way you're conducting the game thusfar, but I have to keep reality in mind.

Imagine you draw the role I've claimed. What do you do with it?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:39 am**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:24 am All the chat happens when I'm asleep.
I always thought of Jack Sparrow as a morally ambiguous chaotic neutral type character that is not good or bad but will do whatever he wants if it benefits him. If we are trying go discern anything about alignment from flavor and characters.

I think Jack Sparrow sounds more like an independent than a civilian. I'm not sure it matters though. Whatever he was, he's dead.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:40 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:39 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:24 am All the chat happens when I'm asleep.
I always thought of Jack Sparrow as a morally ambiguous chaotic neutral type character that is not good or bad but will do whatever he wants if it benefits him. If we are trying go discern anything about alignment from flavor and characters.
I think Jack Sparrow sounds more like an independent than a civilian. I'm not sure it matters though. Whatever he was, he's dead.

He was... a friend.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:40 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:39 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:24 am All the chat happens when I'm asleep.
I always thought of Jack Sparrow as a morally ambiguous chaotic neutral type character that is not good or bad but will do whatever he wants if it benefits him. If we are trying go discern anything about alignment from flavor and characters.
I think Jack Sparrow sounds more like an independent than a civilian. I'm not sure it matters though. Whatever he was, he's dead.

Yes that was the point I was trying to make. It sounds like a 3p.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:43 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:16 am Wisp
Hally

Long Con
Spacedaisy

sabie12
KitsuShel
Epignosis

TonyStarkPrime
Alison

ColinIsCool
Pawn Lelouch
DrWilgy

This is pretty much where I'm at right now.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:44 am**

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:43 am This is pretty much where I'm at right now.

Where would old JJJ fall on your color wheel?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:45 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:44 am
sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:43 am This is pretty much where I'm at right now.
Where would old JJJ fall on your color wheel?

Same spot where you put me.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:51 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:37 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:35 am you're a suspect because like six people are borderline town confirmed and if the scum team and 3P aren't included in the 4 people below me in the poe and epi then I think you're next. Also I don't like how you handled your role claim. I'm a hundred percent on board with the way you're conducting the game thusfar, but I have to keep reality in mind.
Imagine you draw the role I've claimed. What do you do with it?

absolutely nothing.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:01 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:51 amabsolutely nothing.

Yeah I think that’s poor judgment

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:01 am**

I understand why. But like. You allow your role to be taken advantage of as quickly as possible for no discernable value.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:11 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:01 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:51 amabsolutely nothing.
Yeah I think that’s poor judgment

if i tell you to vote someone and you dont do it what happens?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:19 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:11 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:01 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:51 amabsolutely nothing.
Yeah I think that’s poor judgment
if i tell you to vote someone and you dont do it what happens?

My "career"-long streak of never having been modkilled will come to an end.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:21 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:01 am I understand why. But like. You allow your role to be taken advantage of as quickly as possible for no discernable value.

My role has no discernible value. It is explicitly crippled. If I have to go off explaining it later in a game then people like TonyStarkPrime think I'm a bullshitter and I just don't want to deal with that. That's not healthy for the civilian faction.

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:22 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:19 am
Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:11 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:01 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 1:51 amabsolutely nothing.
Yeah I think that’s poor judgment
if i tell you to vote someone and you dont do it what happens?
My "career"-long streak of never having been modkilled will come to an end.

is this serious? youll actually be modkilled if you dont vote where we say?

Posted: **Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:23 am**

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Jul 11, 2020 2:22 am is this serious? youll actually be modkilled if you dont vote where we say?

Yes.

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