The Syndicate

oh come on I had a perfect post why did my seriousnod thing fail

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Even Quin voted for Quin.

This isn't even on the table anymore.

God, I hope this isn't another Dom situation.

It is another Dom situation. But it's one that should give us information, maybe... hopefully. Or even end the game.

Quin is claiming to be a bomb that will also take out MP.

Er, sure. Okay.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No seriously MP you aren't being voted today and everyone here has 3-4 suspects. Relax.

Or maybe take a break like you just said you would. It's a good idea.

LC, Quin and Jack clearly all have one suspect, MP, and are suggesting that Quin's death is going to end MPs life in the game as well.

So, lets not pretend like MP has something to relax about. A whole team of some kind is openly voting one of their own out to kill him.

There is something he should relax about.

The fact this is a game.

If MP is reacting the way he seems to be because of a game, then he has every reason to lie on his couch and relax until he remembers this is a game again.

That's fair! But not relax game wise, since everyone having 3-4 suspects won't be relevant to him if he's dead.

Oh I missed how the smiley is done. I'll just do it again then.

*votes Quin*

I like when everyone does groundwork for me and I don't have to ISO anyone myself. I can just come and at them.

I mean, I could do ISOs, but those always sucked when I'm the one doing them so I'm experimenting with the idea of letting others do that work and then just read every post to see who has the best points.

I agree with many stuff Golden and Dom said about Quin.

I guess if I'm supposed to bring an original argument, I didn't like the way he suddenly stopped attacking me. I mean, he said he still suspected me but was waiting. BS. If you suspect me, keep pushing. Otherwise you aren't actually trying to scumhunt.

Also process of elimination. Sig is supatown, Golden looks good. Jack is confirmed by the laws of probability. Epi looks supatown too and I don't want to let go of the Epi paranoia but I guess I have to put it to rest. Sorsha is an inactive, i'd be totally okay with lynching her but otherwise... meh. I don't like Dom's behavior a lot but he has said a lot of smart thing so he has some cred... for a while. LC was my suspect for a while but him and Epi made solid points for why it's just unlikely.

I have reasons to suspect MP but really him and Daisy vouching for each other gives pause. Couples tend to be scarily good at reading each other in this site. Besides, there is a good chance they could be both VFD. And I tend to doubt the idea of gratuituous fake claims, specially fake-claiming someone with BTSC. It's extremely risky unless Olaf knows the identity of both VFD's which in turn is extremely unlikely.

Anyone left? No? Well, proccess of elimination is a bitch.

But aside from that, just... [/quote]

Ok why did I spend the last 1:30 catching up on a mafia game?

Let's go eat.

And then play pokemon.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Ok why did I spend the last 1:30 catching up on a mafia game?

Let's go eat.

And then play pokemon.

Fuck yeah Bayleaf. Favorite awkward teenage evolution.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Ok why did I spend the last 1:30 catching up on a mafia game?

Let's go eat.

And then play pokemon.

Fuck yeah Bayleaf. Favorite awkward teenage evolution.

I actually really like chicorita as a starter. I don't really care about specific stat training and stuff when I play, which is why most people don't iirc.

Quin wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Ok why did I spend the last 1:30 catching up on a mafia game?

Let's go eat.

And then play pokemon.

Fuck yeah Bayleaf. Favorite awkward teenage evolution.

I actually really like chicorita as a starter. I don't really care about specific stat training and stuff when I play, which is why most people don't iirc.

She is so bad even in game tho.

Literally the first half of the gyms are strong vs chikorita.

Can I just vote Quin without catching up? I have no idea what's going on

Sorsha wrote:Can I just vote Quin without catching up? I have no idea what's going on

Does it even make a difference.

You catching up is more useful to town at this point than your possible vote on Quin.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Can I just vote Quin without catching up? I have no idea what's going on

Does it even make a difference.

You catching up is more useful to town at this point than your possible vote on Quin.

Maybe tonight if I don't die I'll be able to catch up. Weekend and all.

I only consider the original 151 canon.

This vote is probably the dumbest shit I've seen. Everyone is acting like a cry baby and being over dramatic and not actually explaining anything. The fact we have 8 votes on one player means we aren't hitting mafia it's that simple. None of the mafia we've taken out this game has had this wide margins. The scum is totally screwing us over, I'm betting somehow Quin, Jack, and LC are mafia. Quin is Olaf he will appear as a role of their choice. Or theyre the cult and don't care if the civs loose. Since why attack Golden then vote that way? Why not vote MP if he is so obviously bad? Why vote for someone who is GOOD on your list? Unless your Klaus with info or Violet sent you a check then there is no reason to be so sure.

There is also no reason to create an 8 person deep wagon, AND why are we lynching someone who voted for themselves never vote for someone who wants to be lynched.

I can only hope Poe takes out the right player tonight.

I'm behind two pages, but it looks like my input doesn't matter much at this stage.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:That sound right to you, Sig.

I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?

Yeah suddenly, you also voted for him. WHICH you haven't answered as to why you voted for him.

linki: tear them up Epi.

sig wrote:@DF QUESTION! Is the Guardian's kill given to anyone?

The Troupe now kill every night. I feel this is balanced given other factors in the game.

sig wrote:This vote is probably the dumbest shit I've seen. Everyone is acting like a cry baby and being over dramatic and not actually explaining anything. The fact we have 8 votes on one player means we aren't hitting mafia it's that simple. None of the mafia we've taken out this game has had this wide margins. The scum is totally screwing us over, I'm betting somehow Quin, Jack, and LC are mafia. Quin is Olaf he will appear as a role of their choice. Or theyre the cult and don't care if the civs loose. Since why attack Golden then vote that way? Why not vote MP if he is so obviously bad? Why vote for someone who is GOOD on your list? Unless your Klaus with info or Violet sent you a check then there is no reason to be so sure.

There is also no reason to create an 8 person deep wagon, AND why are we lynching someone who voted for themselves never vote for someone who wants to be lynched.
I can only hope Poe takes out the right player tonight.

There is a pretty obvious reason why I wanted such a long wagon.

Quin wrote:There is a pretty obvious reason why I wanted such a long wagon.

There is no obvious reason for why you wanted to die, though.

And if there is such an obvious reason then please enlighten me.

sig wrote: There is also no reason to create an 8 person deep wagon, AND why are we lynching someone who voted for themselves never vote for someone who wants to be lynched.

I have to disagree here.

DFaraday wrote:

sig wrote:@DF QUESTION! Is the Guardian's kill given to anyone?

The Troupe now kill every night. I feel this is balanced given other factors in the game.

linki: Wanna explain? Without Esme there is no reason for such a big wagon.

I'm not referring to the 8 people thing.

At this point I wouldn't even trust any role that Quin flips as. So we basically wasted a phase.

What then.

Not wanting to lynch a player because they could be Olaf is silly.

We'll have to go through the Olaf fake out sooner or later if we want to win.

There's no guarantee Olaf is a seemer upon flipping. Only upon checks.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:There is a pretty obvious reason why I wanted such a long wagon.

There is no obvious reason for why you wanted to die, though.

Yeah, there is.

sig wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

sig wrote:@DF QUESTION! Is the Guardian's kill given to anyone?

The Troupe now kill every night. I feel this is balanced given other factors in the game.

linki: Wanna explain? Without Esme there is no reason for such a big wagon.

One player already has (per Golden) tons of votes on them.

Better a big train and Quin dies and people stop messing with him than a moderate train on Quin and townie dies from grabbing the bowl....and then you lynch Quin anyway.

One method kills a non baddie. The other kills two.

sig wrote:At this point I wouldn't even trust any role that Quin flips as. So we basically wasted a phase.

What then.

You're tinfoiling so hard it hurts. Missing the forest for the trees.

@Sorsha

When you catch up, I want a gth read on Dom2, MP, and Daisy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:That sound right to you, Sig.

I started defending Quin on Day 6? Suddenly?

I like you, Jack, but I'm really sick of you and LC playing the martyr. Get over yourselves. If you've gone and cleared yourselves by killing Quin, or if you are going to take down a member of the Troupe as a result of lynching quin, then great. It's a step forward in the chances of the town winning the game.

I'm not the martyr. Quin is the martyr, if he gets enough votes.

There is no martyrdom. I'm not bad, and Quin's lynch will reveal nothing about me like he seems to think it will.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No seriously MP you aren't being voted today and everyone here has 3-4 suspects. Relax.

Or maybe take a break like you just said you would. It's a good idea.

I hate when games devolve into this secret circle of information, and players rely on dubious role power-based assumptions to drive all of the mafia hunting. This is not what I play this game for. It's doubly frustrating because I know I'm bad, but LC, Quin, and Jack are all vaguely throwing down statements that cannot be true, and the fact that they won't even consider another perspective is just infuriating. So yeah.

sig wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Whom do you want to lynch, sig?

That is a very good question, LC, Quin, or maybe Daisy.

I think Olaf is between Dom or LC. Rereading it I'm not convinced by LC explanation agaisnt my case, also yes when he voted he did tie it three ways, but why tie it three ways? Why not put your opponent ahead of you? Either way I think the key is in day 2.

I'm agaisnt lynching Daisy right now though, so I guess LC or Quin maybe you, but I don't see a good case. I'm flying blind minus my Klaus suspicion, but I think it's pretty good.

I'd also add we should watch Epi, not lynch him right now, since I do still think he is a civ, but if we had a deepwolf it is either him or LC.

I also don't believe we only have one Troupe member left, two is possible, but not one.

Why is lynching Olaf off the table Jack?

I just want to take this moment to say that "deepwolf" is a stupid word.

Long Con wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I'm done with this vague bullshit. Any possible role-based info anyone could have on me being bad is incorrect.

All you are is my biggest suspect. No info, and if you're, like, Ishmael or something, then I was wrong. Maybe you're even a Civ claiming Indy to survive.

Golden, you my bro. *fist to chest*

Anyways, homies, I'm going out for a night of drinking and poker. Sorry my play has been disappointing. I should have been less lazy and made less assumptions about what everyone else believed.

But why am I your biggest suspect?

LITERALLY the only reason you've given is "I don't believe he's Indy".

You all could at least throw down some fucking reason like, "I think his interactions with sprityo look bad and here's why", "his vote record sucks and here's why", etc., but no. Apparently that's too much to ask.

This phase is BS.

sig wrote:This vote is probably the dumbest shit I've seen. Everyone is acting like a cry baby and being over dramatic and not actually explaining anything. The fact we have 8 votes on one player means we aren't hitting mafia it's that simple. None of the mafia we've taken out this game has had this wide margins. The scum is totally screwing us over, I'm betting somehow Quin, Jack, and LC are mafia. Quin is Olaf he will appear as a role of their choice. Or theyre the cult and don't care if the civs loose. Since why attack Golden then vote that way? Why not vote MP if he is so obviously bad? Why vote for someone who is GOOD on your list? Unless your Klaus with info or Violet sent you a check then there is no reason to be so sure.

There is also no reason to create an 8 person deep wagon, AND why are we lynching someone who voted for themselves never vote for someone who wants to be lynched.

I can only hope Poe takes out the right player tonight.

So I'm not insane, thank you.

I'm still so done with this game for the duration. I can't even fathom what Quin could flip that would provide any sort of information on me, so I think he's full of shit.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Sig was entirely responsible for the glorfindel/sprit suspicion from the start, and was the only one out of anyone who gave reasons beyond glorf subbing out (and was on it before glorf subbed out). There is no good reason to have him at orange in your rainbow, it's just bizarre.

Yes there is. We still don't know why Glorfindel subbed out or the conversations he may have had with his team about it. He could have told his team to bus him for the civ cred towards the beginning of the game.
The fact that he was replaced anyway does counter that theory to a degree, but there's no good reason to think that both couldn't have happened.

No team in their right mind would ever say 'yes' to this.

If Glorf comes in to my team and asks to be bussed day one, I tell him 'ask for a replacement, we are not bussing you'. What a waste of a limited resource that would be. Especially in a game where you only get a kill once every second day.

Epi did that on Guess Who and you didn't say anything.

That's not true.

Guess Who? was a single-mafia game. Completely different strategy.

Golden wrote:At this point, I think the rest of the Troupe have to be found in one of two pools

LC, Jack, Quin, Epi; or
MP, Daisy, Sorsha, Dom

I don't see any overlap between them. Also, I really don't think Epi and Dom are bad, but they still would only belong on those respective sides in my view.

a schism!

Golden wrote:I'd feel more comfortable if it was Sorsha or Daisy going out.

then why didn't you vote them

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

sig wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

sig wrote:@DF QUESTION! Is the Guardian's kill given to anyone?

The Troupe now kill every night. I feel this is balanced given other factors in the game.

linki: Wanna explain? Without Esme there is no reason for such a big wagon.

One player already has (per Golden) tons of votes on them.

Better a big train and Quin dies and people stop messing with him than a moderate train on Quin and townie dies from grabbing the bowl....and then you lynch Quin anyway.

One method kills a non baddie. The other kills two.

So since someone has tons of votes you're just going to sheep and join the wagon? and whatever do you mean by a townie dies from grabbing the bowl? We have NO CLUE if a townie has the bowl or if the mafia has the bowl. Or who has the bowl at all.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Also process of elimination. Sig is supatown, Golden looks good. Jack is confirmed by the laws of probability. Epi looks supatown too and I don't want to let go of the Epi paranoia but I guess I have to put it to rest. Sorsha is an inactive, i'd be totally okay with lynching her but otherwise... meh. I don't like Dom's behavior a lot but he has said a lot of smart thing so he has some cred... for a while. LC was my suspect for a while but him and Epi made solid points for why it's just unlikely.

justify this.

I dib;t trust any of you.

sig wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

sig wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

sig wrote:@DF QUESTION! Is the Guardian's kill given to anyone?

The Troupe now kill every night. I feel this is balanced given other factors in the game.

linki: Wanna explain? Without Esme there is no reason for such a big wagon.

One player already has (per Golden) tons of votes on them.

Better a big train and Quin dies and people stop messing with him than a moderate train on Quin and townie dies from grabbing the bowl....and then you lynch Quin anyway.

One method kills a non baddie. The other kills two.

So since someone has tons of votes you're just going to sheep and join the wagon? and whatever do you mean by a townie dies from grabbing the bowl? We have NO CLUE if a townie has the bowl or if the mafia has the bowl. Or who has the bowl at all.

"We" don't know that?

Are you going to answer any of my questions or nah?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:No seriously MP you aren't being voted today and everyone here has 3-4 suspects. Relax.

Or maybe take a break like you just said you would. It's a good idea.

I hate when games devolve into this secret circle of information, and players rely on dubious role power-based assumptions to drive all of the mafia hunting. This is not what I play this game for. It's doubly frustrating because I know I'm bad, but LC, Quin, and Jack are all vaguely throwing down statements that cannot be true, and the fact that they won't even consider another perspective is just infuriating. So yeah.

Deepwolf is a good word.

The fact this wagon is following both Snow's and Dom 1 means we are hitting a civ, if we're lucky maybe an Indy. However, I doubt it and even if we do what actual information will we gather from a quin lynch, there is maybe only one power info role left alive and if Quin has it and he had a red check on MP why not push MP''s lynch? This lynch will prove nothing. I think this entire phase was a smokescreen to distract from whatever baddie got the bowl by making sure enough people joined a wagon.

LOL sig, I didn't notice that obviously. I meant not bad.

Or did I...

I am too stupid to understand anything that has transpired in the past four hours.

Epignosis wrote:I am too stupid to understand anything that has transpired in the past four hours.

Join the club, bud.