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Re: [DAY 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:09 am
by Ricochet
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:05 pm
Well, I tried, I guess you got me this time, sorry Dom, you were my best bet.
There is no clique. The primes were formed at random, by people joining the prime team and making an effort to join the prime plan. Some folks who got on the primes team did not want to be part of the plan, and that's their choice, not ours. Everyone who became part of the Prime we're welcome, as long as they showed an interest in being part of the plan.
The primes had nothing to do with Rico's death. The reason I said I heard a rumor that number 13 ability was notified, was because I fucking heard a rumor that that was the case. Nothing we did.
As far as I understood, Rico, you had put yourself in a certain attitude towards the prime that made you happy, and was fun for you to play. I merely played along with that attitude, and I hope that it's still all for fun for you.
Ah, turning diplomatic now, in light of ruckus.
You can keep your answers the way you initially intended them to come off. Just like with Jack, my last line of my last reply to you is the last thing I wish to say to you anymore.
And this stopped being fun since Day 5, in case it was still never clear.
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:35 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:28 pmHow did one hear this rumor?
Imagine someone who was on the team performing the action died, and came back on my team. Something like that.
That can literally only imply one person.
Re: [DAY 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:17 am
by Ricochet
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:15 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:23 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:46 pm
I don't see why the primes would have any interest in killing 13, no matter who they were. It was their ticket to an easy victory.
Naw straw hat, you don't get iiiiit.
After the button switch, primes lost sig, and then they lost Marmot, nutella and Kyle to the flu, all on consecutive Days, and Chief Khon is like spazzing out in the Chatzy, thinking the Primes are being cherrypicked or something.
Then "their ticket to an easy victory" gets killed by a couldn't-care-less rogue player in the game and Chief Khon is acting "echhhh you were never a
vero Prime anyway" (cuz I didn't kiss his godfather ring the day I arrived or something) and "some birdy told me it was a strategic kill, with no ill effects in the balance".
Such loss. The humanity.
Oh, I didn't kill you.
I merely facilitated the kill to ensure that nothing unfortunate happened to your killer.
See, as a player and occasional game designer, I would hold nothing against a countermeasure to #13's intimidating aftereffects to exist in the design. I'd advocate it, in fact.
Thing is, I was once in a position to
indirectly eliminate speedchuck's #13 - i.e. not via the lynch/nightkill measures clearly stated in that role - and the Host told me I would still get cursed, as the perpetrator. He even underlined the notion that
what fun would there be in there being a way to bypass the curse and remove #13 without any consequences.
So, in light of such mentality from the Host, I sincerely hope that your own plan failed and the perpetrator is therefore cursed.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:38 am
by Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:54 pm
Dragon D Luffy. You are #80.
What
Re: [DAY 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:59 am
by G-Man
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:17 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:15 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 8:23 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 7:46 pm
I don't see why the primes would have any interest in killing 13, no matter who they were. It was their ticket to an easy victory.
Naw straw hat, you don't get iiiiit.
After the button switch, primes lost sig, and then they lost Marmot, nutella and Kyle to the flu, all on consecutive Days, and Chief Khon is like spazzing out in the Chatzy, thinking the Primes are being cherrypicked or something.
Then "their ticket to an easy victory" gets killed by a couldn't-care-less rogue player in the game and Chief Khon is acting "echhhh you were never a
vero Prime anyway" (cuz I didn't kiss his godfather ring the day I arrived or something) and "some birdy told me it was a strategic kill, with no ill effects in the balance".
Such loss. The humanity.
Oh, I didn't kill you.
I merely facilitated the kill to ensure that nothing unfortunate happened to your killer.
See, as a player and occasional game designer, I would hold nothing against a countermeasure to #13's intimidating aftereffects to exist in the design. I'd advocate it, in fact.
Thing is, I was once in a position to indirectly eliminate speedchuck's #13 - i.e. not via the lynch/nightkill measures clearly stated in that role - and the Host told me I would still get cursed, as the perpetrator. He even underlined the notion that what fun would there be in there being a way to bypass the curse and remove #13 without any consequences.
So, in light of such mentality from the Host, I sincerely hope that your own plan failed and the perpetrator is therefore cursed.
THIS WILL BE ADDRESSED IN POST MORTEM.
IF YOU'RE NOT HAVING FUN, I CAN TERMINATE YOUR ROLE FROM THE SIMULATION. IT'S MUCH EASIER THAN TRYING TO FIND A REPLACEMENT.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:22 am
by Ricochet
I will personally not write a single further sentence in the game during post mortem / postgame, regardless what the outcome is.
Termination of the role is for you to decide, if you detected motive of breach of terms. I cannot sincerely say I wouldn't welcome it, but I shall make no such formal request.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:30 am
by Jackofhearts2005
Well I"m still having fun.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:32 am
by Jackofhearts2005
But I'm super easily amused.
I mean, I'm still playing pokemon go.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:39 am
by Long Con
Re: [DAY 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:46 am
by Long Con
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:09 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:05 pm
Well, I tried, I guess you got me this time, sorry Dom, you were my best bet.
There is no clique. The primes were formed at random, by people joining the prime team and making an effort to join the prime plan. Some folks who got on the primes team did not want to be part of the plan, and that's their choice, not ours. Everyone who became part of the Prime we're welcome, as long as they showed an interest in being part of the plan.
The primes had nothing to do with Rico's death. The reason I said I heard a rumor that number 13 ability was notified, was because I fucking heard a rumor that that was the case. Nothing we did.
As far as I understood, Rico, you had put yourself in a certain attitude towards the prime that made you happy, and was fun for you to play. I merely played along with that attitude, and I hope that it's still all for fun for you.
Ah, turning diplomatic now, in light of ruckus.
You can keep your answers the way you initially intended them to come off. Just like with Jack, my last line of my last reply to you is the last thing I wish to say to you anymore.
And this stopped being fun since Day 5, in case it was still never clear.
Nah, it's been fun all along. I'm not "turning diplomatic", I'm like "geez, Rico sounds really upset. I'd better make sure he's still keeping in-game enmity and real life separate, like usual."
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:35 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 11:28 pmHow did one hear this rumor?
Imagine someone who was on the team performing the action died, and came back on my team. Something like that.
That can literally only imply one person.
You might be surprised.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:49 am
by Long Con
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:38 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:54 pm
Dragon D Luffy. You are #80.
What
You wanted to revolt, and this is how you're doing it. By killing me.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:59 am
by Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:49 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:38 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:54 pm
Dragon D Luffy. You are #80.
What
You wanted to revolt, and this is how you're doing it. By killing me.
What gives you the impression I'm the only one who is revolting?
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:25 am
by Long Con
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:43 am
by Dragon D. Luffy
It all depends on point of view.
I am loyal to whatever team my role card says I belong to at the start of phase 2.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:21 pm
by Long Con
How about some decency then? I don't think I have done anything to hinder your chances of winning... I actually thought I was doing whatever I could to help you. So why do this to me?
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:27 pm
by Ricochet
Yeah men, let the captain die with his wretched ship.
I <3 u 80
(It's even funnier considering the 5's are seemingly subservient to the primes)
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:31 pm
by Long Con
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:27 pm
Yeah men, let the captain die with his wretched ship.
I <3 u 80
(It's even funnier considering the 5's are seemingly subservient to the primes)
Re: [DAY 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:35 pm
by Kylemii
Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 3:12 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:38 pm
"Rico is doing exactly what he was expected to do."
"was"
I "was" a Prime.
ok
like.... don't get me wrong, this is a super good move and you should definitely do it, because it will make the game even more interesting and fun
but it was definitely always going to happen, whether you did it or not
I completely forgot that on at least one occasion you talked about how you wanted to kill every Prime inside of the actual prime chat. That was maybe a red flag there, loyalty-wise
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:05 pm
by Ricochet
Yes, me.
The single-team affiliated vanilla af except for the mark of Cain thing role.
Very feasible.
Much threat.
To anyone debating loyalty vs. the benefits of having a role in their ranks, you'll only keep riding on the stupid lane of the discussion.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:07 pm
by Kylemii
You seem very tense. Everything's okay.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:43 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:21 pm
How about some decency then? I don't think I have done anything to hinder your chances of winning... I actually thought I was doing whatever I could to help you. So why do this to me?
Your faction existing and I not being part of it hinders my chance of winning.
It's not personal. I am thankful for all our help and enjoyed the cooperation. I am just being cold and calculating and doing whatever increases my probability of winning. There is no scenario where I help the primes and win the game, unless I'm part of the primes. That is the only truth of this game. The role card is absolute.
So either I go all guns blazing against the primes, or I join the primes again. Anything else is not playing the game to its fullest.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:46 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
This goes for everyone. You have 3 courses of action in this game:
1- You help the primes from outside and aim for an ideological victory.
2- You actually are a prime or you become an actual prime, with a prime role card, and try to win with them.
2- You fight against the primes to win the game as another faction.
I am not interested in #1. My only goal is to have my name in that Hall of Fame when this is over and a fancy winners banner in my signature. If I don't get those it's fine, but I don't intend to go out without trying.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:48 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
If you want to kill me, I appreciate the chance to return to the primes, btw.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:48 pm
by Long Con
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:43 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 3:21 pm
How about some decency then? I don't think I have done anything to hinder your chances of winning... I actually thought I was doing whatever I could to help you. So why do this to me?
Your faction existing and I not being part of it hinders my chance of winning.
It's not personal. I am thankful for all our help and enjoyed the cooperation. I am just being cold and calculating and doing whatever increases my probability of winning. There is no scenario where I help the primes and win the game, unless I'm part of the primes. That is the only truth of this game. The role card is absolute.
So either I go all guns blazing against the primes, or I join the primes again. Anything else is not playing the game to its fullest.
So it is you. Very well, you'll get your chance.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:50 pm
by Ricochet
Why not wait for Phase 2, tho?
Extermination is sweeter then.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:51 pm
by Ricochet
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:46 pm
This goes for everyone. You have 3 courses of action in this game:
1- You help the primes from outside and aim for an ideological victory.
2- You actually are a prime or you become an actual prime, with a prime role card, and try to win with them.
2- You fight against the primes to win the game as another faction.
I am not interested in #1. My only goal is to have my name in that Hall of Fame when this is over and a fancy winners banner in my signature. If I don't get those it's fine, but I don't intend to go out without trying.
I'm interested in the 2 that's not actually a 2 nor the 2 preceding it, but in fact 3.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:52 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:50 pm
Why not wait for Phase 2, tho?
Extermination is sweeter then.
Early acting can even the playing ground.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:55 pm
by Ricochet
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:52 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:50 pm
Why not wait for Phase 2, tho?
Extermination is sweeter then.
Early acting can even the playing ground.
Pre-Phase 2 acting achieves nothing. By killing current Primes, there's a chance they'll scatter to other teams and not be Prime targets no longer (or discernible targets whatsoever). By leaving current Primes in their seats until Phase 2, they become clear targets. The way #80 is designed, Captain Con won't make it to Phase 2 in his Prime seat. Derp.
They have up to 3 or 4 more roles expected to be activated. Inevitably one of the next rezzes will be Primes. Let's just wait it out, write them on the list and exterminate them afterwards. Easy peasy.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:56 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:55 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:52 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:50 pm
Why not wait for Phase 2, tho?
Extermination is sweeter then.
Early acting can even the playing ground.
Pre-Phase 2 acting achieves nothing. By killing current Primes, there's a chance they'll scatter to other teams and not be Prime targets no longer (or discernible targets whatsoever).
They have up to 3 or 4 more roles expected to be activated. Inevitably one of the next rezzes will be Primes. Let's just wait it out, write them on the list and exterminate them afterwards. Easy peasy.
The point is to reduce the size of their team, which should happen statistically if we only shoot primes.
This is the polar opposite of the prime's game plan in the game until now.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:01 pm
by Ricochet
Well it's Night 23. The 5's aren't shooting primes. It's up to the 7's and 9's or alternatively the Odds. Are they with us? Who can tell.
The primes were left with 5-6 actives upon my being backstabbed, anyway. I inadvertedly killed three of them with the latent flu. Feels good now.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:03 pm
by Long Con
Epignosis wasn't on your team, so it's not a backstab.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:05 pm
by Kylemii
When does night end? It's like 6pm right?
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:19 pm
by Long Con
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:01 pm
Well it's Night 23. The 5's aren't shooting primes. It's up to the 7's and 9's or alternatively the Odds. Are they with us? Who can tell.
The primes were left with 5-6 actives upon my being backstabbed, anyway. I inadvertedly killed three of them with the latent flu. Feels good now.
But yeah, that flu virus was, like, genetically engineered to take out Primes. That was big.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:22 pm
by Ricochet
Delusional.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:27 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
DDL is saying some interesting stuff but I only skimmed will have to come back to it.
Gotta search for 80.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:29 pm
by Long Con
No, I mean, I'm glad for you that it worked so well.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:29 pm
by Long Con
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:30 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
You thought Dom was 80? That's...unfortunate.
It's almost certainly DDL or Doc (who I still assume is HBMan). I'd bet on Doc. Check the timing of their deaths.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:31 pm
by Ricochet
Yes, for me.
The flu role.
From within the Primes.
Jesus.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:32 pm
by G-Man
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:33 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Don't misinterpret what I mean when I say "interesting." Nothing has changed as far as the plan has concerned that was not an obvious but unstated nuance relating to chairs and music.
Anyone strategerizing outside of btsc is interesting.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:34 pm
by Dragon D. Luffy
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:33 pm
Don't misinterpret what I mean when I say "interesting." Nothing has changed as far as the plan has concerned that was not an obvious but unstated nuance relating to chairs and music.
Anyone strategerizing outside of btsc is interesting.
Treasure that feeling. The feeling of wanting the game to take new and exciting directions. Let that feeling consume you, and the it will ignite the feeling of rebellion soon enough.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:38 pm
by Long Con
Is it you or Wilgy, DDL?
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:44 pm
by Kylemii
Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:31 pm
Yes, for me.
The flu role.
From within the Primes.
Jesus.
RIco, i love you and i love what you're doing but it's saying things like this that make the stuff you said about being a "real prime" so much funny
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:46 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
I can respect where it's coming from but I think there are serious flaws in all three of those strategies.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:48 pm
by Kylemii
i think having a strategy is a flaw
if you can't win a mafia game by fucking around indiscriminately then you have no business winning in the first place
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:48 pm
by Quin
Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:48 pm
i think having a strategy is a flaw
if you can't win a mafia game by fucking around indiscriminately then you have no business winning in the first place
+1
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:48 pm
by Ricochet
I said nothing about being a real anything.
Your supreme leader did.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:50 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
There is an ever so slight chance that Made or Marmot is 80. 10% chance.
I'd say 90% chance DDL or Wilgy. 0% chance anyone else.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:54 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
It's DDL. The embargo happened the night after he spawned on the 5s floated stopping the primes.
Re: [NIGHT 23] Chicka Chicka 1, 2, 3
Posted: Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:55 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
If it was Wilgy, he sat on the embargo for days.
If it was Marmot, he has two chatsy names and he used both on the primes but one on the fives...and sat on the power for days.
