esooa's frustration makes sense to me if i think about it through the lens of her townread on long con being ignored and her being proven "right" - and feeling as though she was held up to an impossible/unfair standard. it also makes sense that she might feel frustrated that her alignment is being judged off of her d1 read on ellie, whereas the people (including myself) who misread LC on d1 are perceived as not being held to the same standard. i've been in similar positions as town where i just "know" that i should be confirmed town to everyone else, and i become desperate to convince everyone else. i think that esooa's mindset here is town indicative, because it has a number of underlying assumptions & feelings that i think esooa!scum would be pretty unlikely to have
although i can empathize with the frustration, i think the method she's taking to get people tr her (strongarming/aggressiveness) is fairly ineffective and probably just going to make the game more stressful to read. i think the core people (nutella/esooa) involved in this exchange are most likely just town, and our time and energy would be better spent by finding potential partners for ellie and exploring different worlds today
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:11 am
(if ellie flips town i will blast esooa into the sun no questions asked)
do u even realize how fucking terrible this post is
I'm just outed if my read on Ellie is wrong right haha better make sure I'm always right like I seriously hate tf out of this
i will reconsider if there are better solves out there. find them.
made is a possibility
literally just acknowledge the post is shitty to make or I am not moving off this
it's not. it's an expression of a sentiment that i thought was valuable to express at the time. it is subject to change due to circumstance but in the moment it felt right, and if it turns out to be hyperbolic that is fine. it was posted for rhetorical effect and that's a big part of playing the game
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:39 am
by Marmot
Hammers are still in effect. It takes 9 to hammer today.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:40 am
by nutella
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:37 am
esooa's frustration makes sense to me if i think about it through the lens of her townread on long con being ignored and her being proven "right" - and feeling as though she was held up to an impossible/unfair standard. it also makes sense that she might feel frustrated that her alignment is being judged off of her d1 read on ellie, whereas the people (including myself) who misread LC on d1 are perceived as not being held to the same standard. i've been in similar positions as town where i just "know" that i should be confirmed town to everyone else, and i become desperate to convince everyone else. i think that esooa's mindset here is town indicative, because it has a number of underlying assumptions & feelings that i think esooa!scum would be pretty unlikely to have
although i can empathize with the frustration, i think the method she's taking to get people tr her (strongarming/aggressiveness) is fairly ineffective and probably just going to make the game more stressful to read. i think the core people (nutella/esooa) involved in this exchange are most likely just town, and our time and energy would be better spent by finding potential partners for ellie and exploring different worlds today
yeah if i step back and think of it that way i think you're right it probably only comes from a town perspective. i have found it annoying but more on a game philosophical level than on a read level. i'll stop. may be more of a postgame thing to resolve
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:40 am
by Esooa
cool, really enjoy playing a game where I get based on if my reads are anything but 100% correct while u get to just sound towny day 0 and get lock cleared by everyone and don't have to care at all about if you have a single incorrect reads with players you barely even know they're all gonna apply some kinda insane meta where my reads are always correct or I get hard pushed for entire day phases at a time
I'm not checking this thread for the next 24 hours wtv
Ellie+made+1
+1 in koba/grogu/DOOM/spf/koba (maybe forgetting one)
most likely doom
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:41 am
by Alison
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:37 am
esooa's frustration makes sense to me if i think about it through the lens of her townread on long con being ignored and her being proven "right" - and feeling as though she was held up to an impossible/unfair standard. it also makes sense that she might feel frustrated that her alignment is being judged off of her d1 read on ellie, whereas the people (including myself) who misread LC on d1 are perceived as not being held to the same standard. i've been in similar positions as town where i just "know" that i should be confirmed town to everyone else, and i become desperate to convince everyone else. i think that esooa's mindset here is town indicative, because it has a number of underlying assumptions & feelings that i think esooa!scum would be pretty unlikely to have
although i can empathize with the frustration, i think the method she's taking to get people tr her (strongarming/aggressiveness) is fairly ineffective and probably just going to make the game more stressful to read. i think the core people (nutella/esooa) involved in this exchange are most likely just town, and our time and energy would be better spent by finding potential partners for ellie and exploring different worlds today
i agree w/ everything in this post
ftr I think ellie is scum and there's almost certainly one scum if not two in made/DOOM just from interaction spew
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:41 am
by nutella
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:40 am
Ellie+made+1
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:37 am
esooa's frustration makes sense to me if i think about it through the lens of her townread on long con being ignored and her being proven "right" - and feeling as though she was held up to an impossible/unfair standard. it also makes sense that she might feel frustrated that her alignment is being judged off of her d1 read on ellie, whereas the people (including myself) who misread LC on d1 are perceived as not being held to the same standard. i've been in similar positions as town where i just "know" that i should be confirmed town to everyone else, and i become desperate to convince everyone else. i think that esooa's mindset here is town indicative, because it has a number of underlying assumptions & feelings that i think esooa!scum would be pretty unlikely to have
although i can empathize with the frustration, i think the method she's taking to get people tr her (strongarming/aggressiveness) is fairly ineffective and probably just going to make the game more stressful to read. i think the core people (nutella/esooa) involved in this exchange are most likely just town, and our time and energy would be better spent by finding potential partners for ellie and exploring different worlds today
i agree w/ everything in this post
ftr I think ellie is scum and there's almost certainly one scum if not two in made/DOOM just from interaction spew
nice convergence, feels like a solve
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:42 am
by Alison
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:40 am
cool, really enjoy playing a game where I get based on if my reads are anything but 100% correct while u get to just sound towny day 0 and get lock cleared by everyone and don't have to care at all about if you have a single incorrect reads with players you barely even know they're all gonna apply some kinda insane meta where my reads are always correct or I get hard pushed for entire day phases at a time
I'm not checking this thread for the next 24 hours wtv
Ellie+made+1
+1 in koba/grogu/DOOM/spf/koba (maybe forgetting one)
most likely doom
nutella has agreed you're town regardless of ellie's flip, so it's fine. I agree with this solve. let's just drop the argument and barrel roll a wolf.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:42 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I’d be surprised if throwing a tantrum is outside of esooa’s scum range
But she’s also town if Ellie and/or made flip and she’s pushing them, so
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:43 am
by Alison
Also if we sweep the scum from here and Esooa and nutella spent pages screaming at each other over whether or not Esooa should be treated as 95% or 100% town I'm going to laugh
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:43 am
by Esooa
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:42 am
I’d be surprised if throwing a tantrum is outside of esooa’s scum range
But she’s also town if Ellie and/or made flip and she’s pushing them, so
nothing is outside my scum range and if I lynch a villager I'm lock scum, just helping u out with some real quick self meta
also make sure that even though you can't read me to push me day 1 when I'm much more likely town than scum just by virtue of the fact everything I do is completely NAI
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:44 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Like being upset at what you perceive as different standards of judgment is super easy to do as mafia
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:44 am
by Esooa
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:43 am
Also if we sweep the scum from here and Esooa and nutella spent pages screaming at each other over whether or not Esooa should be treated as 95% or 100% town I'm going to laugh
Alison, when people are saying they're literally gonna auto lynch me and it's believable cause of how they treat me, if I get a read wrong
it literally feels like shit to solve the game
me being right on my reads literally determines if 4 people are gonna scum read me and literally never let go of it and guess what it fucking sucks
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:42 am
I’d be surprised if throwing a tantrum is outside of esooa’s scum range
But she’s also town if Ellie and/or made flip and she’s pushing them, so
nothing is outside my scum range and if I lynch a villager I'm lock scum, just helping u out with some real quick self meta
also make sure that even though you can't read me to push me day 1 when I'm much more likely town than scum just by virtue of the fact everything I do is completely NAI
Don’t bring this pissy energy to me plz, I’m not here for it. Talk to a MoD or go yell at nutella some more.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:47 am
by nutella
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:43 am
and if I lynch a villager I'm lock scum,
but you were just implying there's a chance you're wrong on ellie and you shouldnt be turboed if so
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:43 am
Also if we sweep the scum from here and Esooa and nutella spent pages screaming at each other over whether or not Esooa should be treated as 95% or 100% town I'm going to laugh
Alison, when people are saying they're literally gonna auto lynch me and it's believable cause of how they treat me, if I get a read wrong
it literally feels like shit to solve the game
me being right on my reads literally determines if 4 people are gonna scum read me and literally never let go of it and guess what it fucking sucks
nutella has agreed that you look townie off this even if Ellie is town, and so does SPF. I'm on record as saying I don't think it makes sense for scum you to suicide bomb like this and you're townie on play in general. You're not going to get auto-exed if Ellie flips green, and you've gotten what you wanted, so let go of this and just play properly and sweep up the game.
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:43 am
Also if we sweep the scum from here and Esooa and nutella spent pages screaming at each other over whether or not Esooa should be treated as 95% or 100% town I'm going to laugh
Alison, when people are saying they're literally gonna auto lynch me and it's believable cause of how they treat me, if I get a read wrong
it literally feels like shit to solve the game
me being right on my reads literally determines if 4 people are gonna scum read me and literally never let go of it and guess what it fucking sucks
that's really not what i was doing, i'm not holding you to some ridiculous standard, i just think specifically due to the specific circumstances of your push on ellie in this game, that specific flip would clear you, i dont care about others and i do believe it's possible you're town and wrong (but by sheer poe i feel pretty good about the chances she flips mafia anyway lol)
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:49 am
by Alison
Now I am actually going to sleep, good night
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:50 am
by tutuu
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:51 am
by staypositivefriend
do we think that DOOM's posts about ellie at the start of today could be partner-indicative? they look pretty bad but they're also so ....brazen lmao
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:52 am
by nutella
ellie/made/doom is just it
(dont remind me of the last time i posted a 3-name solve >.<)
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:52 am
by nutella
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:51 am
do we think that DOOM's posts about ellie at the start of today could be partner-indicative? they look pretty bad but they're also so ....brazen lmao
yeah idk i'm kiiinda of two minds about it
but also by poe i think she's p likely mafia
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:53 am
by staypositivefriend
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:52 am
ellie/made/doom is just it
(dont remind me of the last time i posted a 3-name solve >.<)
this is Easy World, but it is entirely possible
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:53 am
by tutuu
I'm not finding Jay town. Could be my fault but.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:54 am
by staypositivefriend
alison is my top candidate for deepwolf but im not going to expand on that until it becomes necessary
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:54 am
by JaggedJimmyJay
Things seem tense here. If I have my power back tomorrow I will do my best JJJ and solve the game, k?
Be friends while you wait.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:54 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Idk doom’s thing felt more like townie “wtf guys there’s a hammer” freak out than “wtf my partner is gonna be hammered” to me
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:56 am
by nutella
spf/jay/alison deepwolf candidates in that order
i've mindmelded with alison enough that i really want to clear her tho
nanook is legit just clear. kill me now
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:01 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:30 am
This is all very entertaining because deep down in our collective gut we all know that I’m the real confirmed town
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:56 am
spf/jay/alison deepwolf candidates in that order
i've mindmelded with alison enough that i really want to clear her tho
nanook is legit just clear. kill me now
@sockys2021
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:01 am
by tutuu
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:56 am
nanook is legit just clear. kill me now
Get in line beeyatch.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:02 am
by Esooa
I don't rly care if people think my posts before were too defensive and I'm not gonna argue anymore right now but I just want to say it legit makes me unbelievably stressed about my reads as town when ik people are gonna scum read the fuck out of me if I'm wrong cause people already were rly tunnely about me day 1 when I had done literally nothing. It makes me feel super paranoid about my read and I can't just say "Ellie is probably scum" cause if I'm not certain I get really stressed about being wrong and people being rly tunnely on me so I stress about reading every single Ellie post and having to have a perfect read on her or something
idk how to explain it but you make me extremely stressed and worried about my read and anxious even if it is probably correct when you act like you're gonna lock scum me if I'm wrong at all
but this is my last post tonight for real
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:03 am
by DaughterOfOmega
I feel like Nanook is neutral. They are my favorite player in here so far, but can't tell if they are town.
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:37 am
esooa's frustration makes sense to me if i think about it through the lens of her townread on long con being ignored and her being proven "right" - and feeling as though she was held up to an impossible/unfair standard. it also makes sense that she might feel frustrated that her alignment is being judged off of her d1 read on ellie, whereas the people (including myself) who misread LC on d1 are perceived as not being held to the same standard. i've been in similar positions as town where i just "know" that i should be confirmed town to everyone else, and i become desperate to convince everyone else. i think that esooa's mindset here is town indicative, because it has a number of underlying assumptions & feelings that i think esooa!scum would be pretty unlikely to have
although i can empathize with the frustration, i think the method she's taking to get people tr her (strongarming/aggressiveness) is fairly ineffective and probably just going to make the game more stressful to read. i think the core people (nutella/esooa) involved in this exchange are most likely just town, and our time and energy would be better spent by finding potential partners for ellie and exploring different worlds today
i agree w/ everything in this post
ftr I think ellie is scum and there's almost certainly one scum if not two in made/DOOM just from interaction spew
it raised my eyebrows a little bit that alison piggybacked off of the post i made about the esooa/nutella stuff but then still put me in her POE - only because i know that alison is the type of town player that is constantly re-evaluating her reads and looking for towntells from people. if she agreed w/the content of the post then it's likely she would also perceive the post as coming from a town perspective - which makes her still putting me in her POE a post or two later feel strange to me
this is just a minor paranoia point tho, it's not a legitimate reason to scumread alison
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:04 am
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:03 am
I feel like Nanook is neutral. They are my favorite player in here so far, but can't tell if they are town.
That’s just cause we haven’t played before
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:05 am
by tutuu
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:02 am
I don't rly care if people think my posts before were too defensive and I'm not gonna argue anymore right now but I just want to say it legit makes me unbelievably stressed about my reads as town when ik people are gonna scum read the fuck out of me if I'm wrong cause people already were rly tunnely about me day 1 when I had done literally nothing. It makes me feel super paranoid about my read and I can't just say "Ellie is probably scum" cause if I'm not certain I get really stressed about being wrong and people being rly tunnely on me so I stress about reading every single Ellie post and having to have a perfect read on her or something
idk how to explain it but you make me extremely stressed and worried about my read and anxious even if it is probably correct when you act like you're gonna lock scum me if I'm wrong at all
but this is my last post tonight for real
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:05 am
by nutella
master list of orderings relativities and gradations
towniest nanook tutuu esooa alison dkkoba michelle jay spf grogu doom made ellie scummiest
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:06 am
by DaughterOfOmega
I am fairly surprised that someone could read my beginning today as a mafia aligned with ellie. FMPOV it seems so obvious, and even when I look at it objectively the "doom is mafia with ellie after the post" doesn't make sense in a vaccum.
I am wondering if the 3 people talking about that are mafia pushing some kind of agenda that doesn't really need to be set in realistic terms, or just wrong town views
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:37 am
esooa's frustration makes sense to me if i think about it through the lens of her townread on long con being ignored and her being proven "right" - and feeling as though she was held up to an impossible/unfair standard. it also makes sense that she might feel frustrated that her alignment is being judged off of her d1 read on ellie, whereas the people (including myself) who misread LC on d1 are perceived as not being held to the same standard. i've been in similar positions as town where i just "know" that i should be confirmed town to everyone else, and i become desperate to convince everyone else. i think that esooa's mindset here is town indicative, because it has a number of underlying assumptions & feelings that i think esooa!scum would be pretty unlikely to have
although i can empathize with the frustration, i think the method she's taking to get people tr her (strongarming/aggressiveness) is fairly ineffective and probably just going to make the game more stressful to read. i think the core people (nutella/esooa) involved in this exchange are most likely just town, and our time and energy would be better spent by finding potential partners for ellie and exploring different worlds today
i agree w/ everything in this post
ftr I think ellie is scum and there's almost certainly one scum if not two in made/DOOM just from interaction spew
it raised my eyebrows a little bit that alison piggybacked off of the post i made about the esooa/nutella stuff but then still put me in her POE - only because i know that alison is the type of town player that is constantly re-evaluating her reads and looking for towntells from people. if she agreed w/the content of the post then it's likely she would also perceive the post as coming from a town perspective - which makes her still putting me in her POE a post or two later feel strange to me
this is just a minor paranoia point tho, it's not a legitimate reason to scumread alison
actually my timeline was a bit off here - i thought that alison agreed w/that post and then put me in her POE a few minutes later, but i was misremembering this exchange:
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 1:20 am
nutella and tutuu can both be members of my towncore today. and esooa will probably get to that point if ellie flips scum
all other players are shut out from my towncore until further notice
This solve + Dkkoba is where I'm at in terms of towncore.
nook and JJJ knocking on the door, but not quite in yet.
Everyone else is in the POE.
that makes it less suspicious lol
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:07 am
by staypositivefriend
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:05 am
master list of orderings relativities and gradations
towniest nanook tutuu esooa alison dkkoba michelle jay spf grogu doom made ellie scummiest
i find it wild that i'm so low, but i wont spar with you over that right now :P
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:05 am
master list of orderings relativities and gradations
towniest nanook tutuu esooa alison dkkoba michelle jay spf grogu doom made ellie scummiest
i find it wild that i'm so low, but i wont spar with you over that right now :P
i actually kiinda think that exactly one of you/alison is mafia but i dont wanna deal with it lol
i'm curious about why - do you just think that the gamestate indicates a deepwolf?
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:09 am
by nutella
Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:08 am
hi friends. how'd we all sleep?
wolf post
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:11 am
by Made
Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.
I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:05 am
master list of orderings relativities and gradations
towniest nanook tutuu esooa alison dkkoba michelle jay spf grogu doom made ellie scummiest
i find it wild that i'm so low, but i wont spar with you over that right now :P
i actually kiinda think that exactly one of you/alison is mafia but i dont wanna deal with it lol
i'm curious about why - do you just think that the gamestate indicates a deepwolf?
maybe, bc i townread so many people and the poe is small but maybe it's just correct -- i have reservations about both doom and grogu though, so i feel there may be a wolf higher up the list
and there were various points i got questionable/potential deepwolf feelings from both you and alison
(i'm sensing you're going to ask me what those are and i dont have the wherewithal to like go back and quote things but i think at least some of them i commented on in realtime)
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:12 am
by Michelle
Morning, is someone concerned why Mac died?
I suspect Esooa just by reading the first page after Sod
At Sod she is not towny at all, claiming good reads and stuff i find as useless to point out if villager.
I was so upset that you people hammered and i woke up for nothing at 4 AM that i didn't read the last 4 or 5 pages.
Today i am working so if you hammer we will have an ugly discussion endgame. I have to read a lot, wait for me to catch up pls
@Long Con thanks for sharing your reads, wolves were scared about them i think.
Re: Bread Mafia [Day 2]
Posted: Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:12 am
by nutella
Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:11 am
Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.
I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.
what y'all got for me?
we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie
Made wrote: ↑Sat Jan 23, 2021 2:11 am
Mafia is probably Alison Esooa and DoO or Grugu.
I realize that's probably not very popular, but don't worry it'll work out. i'm pretty hard to lynch when i'm a civvie from what i remember last time i've been in this position.
what y'all got for me?
we are baking ellie today. what is your opinion on ellie
she's probably civvie,
off the the top the working theory is mafia went along with the hammer to frame ellie and get an easy lynch on me
