The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:32 pm What about the notion that there are 2 partners left?
Probable

Ender def scum
Osie overwhelmingly likely scum
Still feel like Michelle was a pretty likely red flip

I think 16v5 is possible

Also was reading Lime Coke and the best thing going for him is that he's in the soup kill

Interactions with mafia from his end to them tend to be softballs

Ngl I don't want to read Scotty's 400 posts
If those three flips were accurate that would mean that there is only one after TH unless HK has come back a zombie.

I come back as the alignment I had when I died.
I can't come back a second time tho

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm**

Creatures interactions with Ender and Michelle in both directions, particularly Michelle, feel pretty dead

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:41 pm**

HK is clean, his flavorcard flipped publicly in the discord after his yeet

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:41 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:35 pm @hollowkatt how earnest was Michelle's solving in DVC? I feel like it'd be pretty obvious whether she really was town. Can you talk more about that? You mentioned Michelle and Ender both claimed to have flipped wrong in DVC and both wanted Scotty dead?

Also have you explained how it is you came to be still alive?
Michelle wasn't earnestly solving in DVC. She maintained that she flipped wrong but didn't work to solve anyone living.
We were given an option to send a name to someone that if they were alive would kill the named person. I advocated TH, everyone else who participated advocated Scotty. I think Honey was most vocal there.

I am alive b/c I had a 10% chance to resurrect. That ability isn't in my "role" it's in my "card", like the cards we all got to start the game that could be traded, it's in there.
You hit a 1/10 chance to resurrect? Wow.

better to be lucky than good

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:42 pm**

I see the card in the discord. HK is ultra confirmed town here.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:42 pm**

That's good we can put the spork down.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:42 pm**

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:41 pm HK is clean, his flavorcard flipped publicly in the discord after his yeet

yeah, I come back as the same alignment and without any roles

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm**

That said it does say same alignment he had. And I guess there is room for him having been mafia to begin with.

Stupid bastard games.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm**

scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm**

Ender started independent wagons on Creature and Scotty when he could have gone elsewhere onto town. I give more credence to the Scotty wagon since HK wasn't being yeeted D1

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:38 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:22 pm Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.
Wait but that's dumb
Then persuade me.
Onto Scotty? No
Did I say a name.

Oh ok
Read LC's posts
Literally just can't speak to whatever tf happened with the soup because of the combination of not knowing what happened and not getting lolmech in general, but it sounds like lolmech
If it's not me or listo then either you chop obvtown Scotty or you realize you've been lolmech'd

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:44 pm**

But alas if he is a wolf he is one with no powers so he is not priority.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:44 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm That said it does say same alignment he had. And I guess there is room for him having been mafia to begin with.

Stupid bastard games.

ikr

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:44 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:38 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:22 pm Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.
Wait but that's dumb
Then persuade me.
Onto Scotty? No
Did I say a name.
Oh ok
Read LC's posts
Literally just can't speak to whatever tf happened with the soup because of the combination of not knowing what happened and not getting lolmech in general, but it sounds like lolmech
If it's not me or listo then either you chop obvtown Scotty or you realize you've been lolmech'd

I ask again if the soup kill was a charade then where is the real one? It is just real.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:45 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.

what's giving me paranoia about Scotty is entirely D2

Scum fought against or ignored the fact that he was a free yeet

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:45 pm**

What would be the value in him just shutting up and putting his head down? He would just end up in POE?

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:46 pm**

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:45 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.
what's giving me paranoia about Scotty is entirely D2

Scum fought against or ignored the fact that he was a free yeet

Quite so.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:46 pm**

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:45 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.
what's giving me paranoia about Scotty is entirely D2

Scum fought against or ignored the fact that he was a free yeet

except nanook, nanook was the first person to jump on scotty, I joined him, then went back to TSP. I don't recall anyone else voting scotty though.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:38 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:22 pm Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.
Wait but that's dumb
Then persuade me.
Onto Scotty? No
Did I say a name.
Oh ok
Read LC's posts
Literally just can't speak to whatever tf happened with the soup because of the combination of not knowing what happened and not getting lolmech in general, but it sounds like lolmech
If it's not me or listo then either you chop obvtown Scotty or you realize you've been lolmech'd
I ask again if the soup kill was a charade then where is the real one? It is just real.

Strictly speaking, mafia might be able to submit a real soup on themselves and putting a wrong role down.

But that's so lol. We know that your and my guesses was accurate, Alison is almost certainly and they got her wrong for apparently valid reasons according to her. I forgot where they got Lime Coke doctor tbh

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:38 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:22 pm Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.
Wait but that's dumb
Then persuade me.
Onto Scotty? No
Did I say a name.
Oh ok
Read LC's posts
Literally just can't speak to whatever tf happened with the soup because of the combination of not knowing what happened and not getting lolmech in general, but it sounds like lolmech
If it's not me or listo then either you chop obvtown Scotty or you realize you've been lolmech'd
I ask again if the soup kill was a charade then where is the real one? It is just real.

Can it... not... come later on?

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm**

C4's refusal to accept that Scotty could be a wolf is unlikely to be town mindset imo. It doesn't necessarily make Scotty mafia but I can't see how a townie in C4's position wouldn't be paranoid at min of Scotty.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm**

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:46 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:45 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.
what's giving me paranoia about Scotty is entirely D2

Scum fought against or ignored the fact that he was a free yeet
except nanook, nanook was the first person to jump on scotty, I joined him, then went back to TSP. I don't recall anyone else voting scotty though.

Mac voted scotty fwiw

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:38 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:22 pm Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.
I mean I pretty much softed what I did a few times. The fact that I made the right call and some sort of shit ruined my move just killed my wim for this game.

Wait but that's dumb
Then persuade me.
Onto Scotty? No
Did I say a name.
Oh ok
Read LC's posts
Literally just can't speak to whatever tf happened with the soup because of the combination of not knowing what happened and not getting lolmech in general, but it sounds like lolmech
If it's not me or listo then either you chop obvtown Scotty or you realize you've been lolmech'd

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:48 pm**

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:46 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:45 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.
what's giving me paranoia about Scotty is entirely D2

Scum fought against or ignored the fact that he was a free yeet
except nanook, nanook was the first person to jump on scotty, I joined him, then went back to TSP. I don't recall anyone else voting scotty though.
Mac voted scotty fwiw

cool. I wasn't paying a lot of attention to the scotty votes on account of the whole TSP thing

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:48 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:38 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:37 pm

Wait but that's dumb
Then persuade me.
Onto Scotty? No
Did I say a name.
Oh ok
Read LC's posts
Literally just can't speak to whatever tf happened with the soup because of the combination of not knowing what happened and not getting lolmech in general, but it sounds like lolmech
If it's not me or listo then either you chop obvtown Scotty or you realize you've been lolmech'd
I ask again if the soup kill was a charade then where is the real one? It is just real.
Can it... not... come later on?

It is day 5. When is it coming if not already? The wolves are losing numerical advantage and clearly know at the very least what roles HK and I are. And yet here we are just alive and breathing.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:49 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm C4's refusal to accept that Scotty could be a wolf is unlikely to be town mindset imo. It doesn't necessarily make Scotty mafia but I can't see how a townie in C4's position wouldn't be paranoid at min of Scotty.

Pls

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:50 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm C4's refusal to accept that Scotty could be a wolf is unlikely to be town mindset imo. It doesn't necessarily make Scotty mafia but I can't see how a townie in C4's position wouldn't be paranoid at min of Scotty.
Pls

Pls what? Do you have a green check on Scotty?

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:50 pm**

Okay somehow what I wrote ended up in the quotes.

I said

"I mean, I pretty much softed what I did a few times. The fact that I made the right call and some sort of shit ruined my move just killed my wim for this game. "

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:51 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:50 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm C4's refusal to accept that Scotty could be a wolf is unlikely to be town mindset imo. It doesn't necessarily make Scotty mafia but I can't see how a townie in C4's position wouldn't be paranoid at min of Scotty.
Pls
Pls what? Do you have a green check on Scotty?

There are things called reads

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:52 pm**

Your big solve is LC.

LC was god read town by Honey. Soup targeted. And allowed himself to get vanillaised last night.

Where is the wolf there? I would love to see it cuz I scumread him on day 1 and I enjoy being proven right. But the facts don't align.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:52 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:50 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:47 pm C4's refusal to accept that Scotty could be a wolf is unlikely to be town mindset imo. It doesn't necessarily make Scotty mafia but I can't see how a townie in C4's position wouldn't be paranoid at min of Scotty.
Pls
Pls what? Do you have a green check on Scotty?
There are things called reads

Alright.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:53 pm**

@Lime Coke do you think the wolves have soup still?

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:57 pm**

For my own reference

Mac, Alison, Dolby, HK

Lime Coke (soup)

Listo, Scotty, C4, Nanook

TH

If we elevate someone we're pretty close to winning

tbh out of the someone's that aren't LC the most valid is probs Nanook

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:57 pm**

C4 I am sorry if you are just an s-tier who subbed into a townslot on day 4 immediately figured out the solve and are getting worked over by a moron. If that's the case I'll take the L.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:59 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:52 pm Your big solve is LC.

LC was god read town by Honey. Soup targeted. And allowed himself to get vanillaised last night.

Where is the wolf there? I would love to see it cuz I scumread him on day 1 and I enjoy being proven right. But the facts don't align.

Godread idgaf
Soup idgaf
Vanillaised, didn't realize, honestly compelling, but smth smth lazy regardless of alignment
Let's just hope it's some dumb shit like listo if you're set here but supposedly he's spewed

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:01 pm**

c4 can you give me a peek at who among the non-clears is most sus in your eyes when you get a moment?

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:01 pm**

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:57 pm For my own reference

Mac, Alison, Dolby, HK

Lime Coke (soup)

Listo, Scotty, C4, Nanook

TH

If we elevate someone we're pretty close to winning

tbh out of the someone's that aren't LC the most valid is probs Nanook

LC has more going for him than just soup. As I mentioned.

Nanook has hard townsided. I wolfed with him as this game was starting and he basically just never pushed any wolves. If this meta holds up then he's just town for the fact he left it hang on Ender d1. His need to sheep Alison and I to placate us isn't all encompassing and doesn't overwrite his mafia agenda.

Listo is a bit weird. Could be a wolf. I checked and they have made exactly 10 posts today. Have been camping because they near instantly reacted when I pinged them out yet haven't said or done much at all.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:02 pm**

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:52 pm Your big solve is LC.

LC was god read town by Honey. Soup targeted. And allowed himself to get vanillaised last night.

Where is the wolf there? I would love to see it cuz I scumread him on day 1 and I enjoy being proven right. But the facts don't align.
Godread idgaf
Soup idgaf
Vanillaised, didn't realize, honestly compelling, but smth smth lazy regardless of alignment
Let's just hope it's some dumb shit like listo if you're set here but supposedly he's spewed

Do I seem set?

I'm not set lol.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:02 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:53 pm @Lime Coke do you think the wolves have soup still?

I have absolutely no clue. It's a game hosted by Guillo and I'm not 100% sure how he works as a host.

I was confused by his stuff in Open World 1.2 in MU, he was confusing me a tad when I was in Deck Mafia 2 before I got subbed out.

The fact that shit is all changing around and each game is super bastard as all hell, I wouldn't be surprised if that soup kill attempt was real.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:02 pm**

Your BDE is pretty towny tho I will admit.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:04 pm**

Reminder no town visit me tonight as I have to activate the disloyal PGO and you will die if you try to visit me.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:04 pm**

rugby 7s at the olympics btw. Japan vs Fiji currently

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:05 pm**

If you have a watch or doctor be on me or Alison tonight in case mafia have a redirector or something

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:05 pm**

If we had a watcher or something we could watch me tonight and force the POE to visit me and then just chop everyone who survives lol.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:06 pm**

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:01 pm c4 can you give me a peek at who among the non-clears is most sus in your eyes when you get a moment?

listo by default ig?
Nook's barely here but pretty on point when he's here and apparently meta spew pelt smth
Scotty's super towny

listo's been showing conviction and it seems internally consistent and believable and all but still looks like it's in the range of a wolf that said "lemme pick one random thing to scream about"

Pretty much think Alison's plan should do it

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:08 pm**

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:05 pm If you have a watch or doctor be on me or Alison tonight in case mafia have a redirector or something

I think the redirector is town. I think they also have a green check because between the n1 kill and the LoMo kill one of them had to have been redirected.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:10 pm**

someone give me the good points about Listo

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:11 pm**

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:08 pm
Some heinous charges have been filed by a Prosecutor against Scotty. You all have been selected to serve on Scotty's jury. Each player must decide if Scotty is innocent or guilty by voting in the thread. To cast a guilty vote, you simply vote Scotty in thread like normal.

To cast an innocent vote, you vote anyone OTHER than Scotty in thread. A simple majority (8 players) will be required to pass sentence on Scotty. If the simple majority is achieved, then the Prosecutor may then choose to immediately execute or pardon Scotty. No notice will be given in thread if Scotty is pardoned.

This will not end the day, and the normal end of day elimination will still happen regardless of it Scotty is executed, pardoned, or if no majority is reached.

So the way I read this was that the result was first to 8. 8 votes on Scotty before 8 votes on others and he dies. A lot of people just kept voting as though this wasn't in play. I assume most of them just didn't read it correctly or something?

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:12 pm**

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:10 pm someone give me the good points about Listo

Dead wolves tried to earnestly push him.

Posted: **Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:13 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 8:11 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Jul 15, 2021 1:08 pm
Some heinous charges have been filed by a Prosecutor against Scotty. You all have been selected to serve on Scotty's jury. Each player must decide if Scotty is innocent or guilty by voting in the thread. To cast a guilty vote, you simply vote Scotty in thread like normal.

To cast an innocent vote, you vote anyone OTHER than Scotty in thread. A simple majority (8 players) will be required to pass sentence on Scotty. If the simple majority is achieved, then the Prosecutor may then choose to immediately execute or pardon Scotty. No notice will be given in thread if Scotty is pardoned.

This will not end the day, and the normal end of day elimination will still happen regardless of it Scotty is executed, pardoned, or if no majority is reached.

So the way I read this was that the result was first to 8. 8 votes on Scotty before 8 votes on others and he dies. A lot of people just kept voting as though this wasn't in play. I assume most of them just didn't read it correctly or something?

yeah a lot of people ignored it. I'd blame the HK/TSP situation for that

Scum did know about it though, since Ender addressed it

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