The Syndicate

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:29 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:25 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:14 pm Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Option A. w/w
Option B. Alexa breaking town meta for this game (Unlikely)
Option C. LC is pocketing
Option D. Two town and LC has meta.

In all honestly Option C or D is the most likely.

And this is coming a lot more like an Option D situation here.

i don't intentionally have town meta
i play optimally regardless of my alignment

it happens he is right because when i'm wolf i have no reason to shield people (i will usually pick like one slot to pocket and shield but he's right that i'm much more A to B play)

Intentional doesn't matter when facts exist.

Point in case: Reliable town-meta

Point in case: LC appears to be very familiar with it.

@Lime Coke Have you seen her wolf much?

Not really.

Her most recent wolf game (MCM, I'm not counting DM) I wasn't in.

I've never actually read people's past games. If I learn people's meta as either alignment I have to experience it throughout a full game.

And you're confident she isn't going to be trying to play the same way when wolfing?

Ender brad's read on me is right but i think you should try to read me for me because i'm pretty confident i could trick him as wolf lmfao

How do I link posts

I’ll be on in an hour or so after I wake up

i'm lowkey like wondering if people are spewing LC town tho :P

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:34 pm How do I link posts

I’ll be on in an hour or so after I wake up

omg i dont know

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:33 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:29 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:25 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:14 pm Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Option A. w/w
Option B. Alexa breaking town meta for this game (Unlikely)
Option C. LC is pocketing
Option D. Two town and LC has meta.

In all honestly Option C or D is the most likely.

And this is coming a lot more like an Option D situation here.

i don't intentionally have town meta
i play optimally regardless of my alignment

it happens he is right because when i'm wolf i have no reason to shield people (i will usually pick like one slot to pocket and shield but he's right that i'm much more A to B play)

Intentional doesn't matter when facts exist.

Point in case: Reliable town-meta

Point in case: LC appears to be very familiar with it.

@Lime Coke Have you seen her wolf much?

Not really.

Her most recent wolf game (MCM, I'm not counting DM) I wasn't in.

I've never actually read people's past games. If I learn people's meta as either alignment I have to experience it throughout a full game.

And you're confident she isn't going to be trying to play the same way when wolfing?

There's shit that she flat out won't do as mafia (I believe at least) and 1 of those is making certain people townread her. Like I said, she's not a jerk to her friends, and she point blank refuses to embarrass them.

omg wiml i didn't know you were british

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:29 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:25 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:14 pm Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Option A. w/w
Option B. Alexa breaking town meta for this game (Unlikely)
Option C. LC is pocketing
Option D. Two town and LC has meta.

In all honestly Option C or D is the most likely.

And this is coming a lot more like an Option D situation here.

i don't intentionally have town meta
i play optimally regardless of my alignment

it happens he is right because when i'm wolf i have no reason to shield people (i will usually pick like one slot to pocket and shield but he's right that i'm much more A to B play)

Intentional doesn't matter when facts exist.

Point in case: Reliable town-meta

Point in case: LC appears to be very familiar with it.

@Lime Coke Have you seen her wolf much?

i probably phrased that wrong but what i mean is i'm very aware of how i am as town and will try my best to imitate it when i'm wolf (while eliminating the parts that aren't townread)

You're aware of your own play enough that immitating things you could get away with that people who know you might consider town is definitely on the plate.

You come across as a decent player.

I have to be aware of even the more fringe possibilities.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:34 pm Ender brad's read on me is right but i think you should try to read me for me because i'm pretty confident i could trick him as wolf lmfao

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:35 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:33 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:29 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:26 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:25 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:23 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:14 pm Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Option A. w/w
Option B. Alexa breaking town meta for this game (Unlikely)
Option C. LC is pocketing
Option D. Two town and LC has meta.

In all honestly Option C or D is the most likely.

And this is coming a lot more like an Option D situation here.

i don't intentionally have town meta
i play optimally regardless of my alignment

it happens he is right because when i'm wolf i have no reason to shield people (i will usually pick like one slot to pocket and shield but he's right that i'm much more A to B play)

Intentional doesn't matter when facts exist.

Point in case: Reliable town-meta

Point in case: LC appears to be very familiar with it.

@Lime Coke Have you seen her wolf much?

Not really.

Her most recent wolf game (MCM, I'm not counting DM) I wasn't in.

I've never actually read people's past games. If I learn people's meta as either alignment I have to experience it throughout a full game.

And you're confident she isn't going to be trying to play the same way when wolfing?

There's shit that she flat out won't do as mafia (I believe at least) and 1 of those is making certain people townread her. Like I said, she's not a jerk to her friends, and she point blank refuses to embarrass them.

i am not mafia this game but i 100000000000% would do this as mafia brad lmao

@alexa how's the Alison ISO coming along?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:34 pm Ender brad's read on me is right but i think you should try to read me for me because i'm pretty confident i could trick him as wolf lmfao

I have been. I have you on the townier end of my scale.

I'm just poking things to see what reads are there under "Meta".

What's your read on LC right now?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:36 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:34 pm Ender brad's read on me is right but i think you should try to read me for me because i'm pretty confident i could trick him as wolf lmfao

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:36 pm @alexa how's the Alison ISO coming along?

i already did it

I wonder if this game is solvable by doing preflip disassociation reads. It kinda feels like it could be...

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:34 pm How do I link posts

I’ll be on in an hour or so after I wake up

Quote them like the medieval fuckers we are.

(Yes I wish we had post-ref too.)

i would not kill alison n1 though
so there is self meta you can trust

but i would try to pocket brad etcetc

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:36 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:36 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:34 pm Ender brad's read on me is right but i think you should try to read me for me because i'm pretty confident i could trick him as wolf lmfao

You're lucky I got you hard locked as town currently.

(specifically because she tr me to the point she was defending me to esooa when i was away)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:37 pm I wonder if this game is solvable by doing preflip disassociation reads. It kinda feels like it could be...

Only problem is that there's a few players I would expect to make good disassociation.

But do it. I have been working on my own and would be curious to compare.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:36 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:36 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:34 pm Ender brad's read on me is right but i think you should try to read me for me because i'm pretty confident i could trick him as wolf lmfao

You're lucky I got you hard locked as town currently.

lmaooo i just don't wanna lie cos i feel like if i rand scum against you i'd try to pocket you

but you've been right so far

this is making me more confident you're town

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 pm i would not kill alison n1 though
so there is self meta you can trust

but i would try to pocket brad etcetc

My word...

Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 pm i would not kill alison n1 though
so there is self meta you can trust

but i would try to pocket brad etcetc

why not?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:40 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 pm i would not kill alison n1 though
so there is self meta you can trust

but i would try to pocket brad etcetc

why not?

Because she's mean to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:40 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 pm i would not kill alison n1 though
so there is self meta you can trust

but i would try to pocket brad etcetc

why not?

because i don't kill people who townshield me.

This games gonna be rough cos I feel like it’s one of those games where I’m being townread by maf and scumread by town and the maf are more reasonable than the town who are all just loltunneled

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:39 pm Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

Let me get back to you when home.

But yeah back to sleeps

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:41 pm This games gonna be rough cos I feel like it’s one of those games where I’m being townread by maf and scumread by town and the maf are more reasonable than the town who are all just loltunneled

meh why do you feel this way?

Going in here are some disassociations I have.

Alexa - Esooa, Lime Coke, Wiml, Ilario
Ender - nobody?
Esooa - Alexa
ilario - Alexa, Nanook
Lime Coke - Alexa
Nanook - Wiml, Ilario
TSP - Nobody
Wiml - Nanook, Alexa

i feel like you've said something like this before and im trying to figure out what your alignment was when you said it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:39 pm Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

Alexa
illario
LC
nanook
ender
wiml
tsp

ender had an interesting interaction with wiml. He says he could see my original elaboration on "wiml feels cautious around me" but didn't comment on my longer explanation. No one did but I noted it. There's also no reason wiml can't be with nanook. That's what I'm primarily looking at right now

I'm taking LC to be town and think you can agree with that

I don't really have any unassociatives but I can read later

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:40 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:38 pm i would not kill alison n1 though
so there is self meta you can trust

but i would try to pocket brad etcetc

why not?

because i don't kill people who townshield me.

Fair.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:42 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:41 pm This games gonna be rough cos I feel like it’s one of those games where I’m being townread by maf and scumread by town and the maf are more reasonable than the town who are all just loltunneled

meh why do you feel this way?

it is a very townie thought tbh

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:39 pm Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

Alexa
illario
LC
nanook
ender
wiml
tsp

ender had an interesting interaction with wiml. He says he could see my original elaboration on "wiml feels cautious around me" but didn't comment on my longer explanation. No one did but I noted it. There's also no reason wiml can't be with nanook. That's what I'm primarily looking at right now

I'm taking LC to be town and think you can agree with that

I don't really have any unassociatives but I can read later

Nanook has wiml as his primary target today though

@EnderWiggin @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME got reads on each other?

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

shrug he isn't towny

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:46 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:39 pm Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

Alexa
illario
LC
nanook
ender
wiml
tsp

ender had an interesting interaction with wiml. He says he could see my original elaboration on "wiml feels cautious around me" but didn't comment on my longer explanation. No one did but I noted it. There's also no reason wiml can't be with nanook. That's what I'm primarily looking at right now

I'm taking LC to be town and think you can agree with that

I don't really have any unassociatives but I can read later

Nanook has wiml as his primary target today though

it's only SoD. Is it really that important? Especially when you've said you're "always dying today"

I usually take a bit more to say people aren't partnered personally

@wiml ur a wolf and have been all game discuss

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:47 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:46 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:44 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:39 pm Can I get one combination of two players from each slot that doesn't include your own name that you feel could be w/w.

And if my names is in it, a second?

Also some slots that are absolutely never teamed from your perspective?

Alexa
illario
LC
nanook
ender
wiml
tsp

ender had an interesting interaction with wiml. He says he could see my original elaboration on "wiml feels cautious around me" but didn't comment on my longer explanation. No one did but I noted it. There's also no reason wiml can't be with nanook. That's what I'm primarily looking at right now

I'm taking LC to be town and think you can agree with that

I don't really have any unassociatives but I can read later

Nanook has wiml as his primary target today though

it's only SoD. Is it really that important? Especially when you've said you're "always dying today"

I usually take a bit more to say people aren't partnered personally

just wanted to get your perspective on that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:44 pm Going in here are some disassociations I have.

Alexa - Esooa, Lime Coke, Wiml, Ilario
Ender - nobody?
Esooa - Alexa
ilario - Alexa, Nanook
Lime Coke - Alexa
Nanook - Wiml, Ilario
TSP - Nobody
Wiml - Nanook, Alexa

I'm an idiot, what is this pointing out?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:48 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:44 pm Going in here are some disassociations I have.

Alexa - Esooa, Lime Coke, Wiml, Ilario
Ender - nobody?
Esooa - Alexa
ilario - Alexa, Nanook
Lime Coke - Alexa
Nanook - Wiml, Ilario
TSP - Nobody
Wiml - Nanook, Alexa

I'm an idiot, what is this pointing out?

Players that are not teamed from my perspective

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:47 pm @wiml ur a wolf and have been all game discuss

@Wiml

well imo if the team is nanook/wiml right now is the perfect time to distance

so that they're doing it isn't unpartnered

i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

I literally explained it lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

I literally explained it lol

you're not the one id suspect of TMI

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:19 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:18 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:06 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:05 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:00 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:56 pm Like your death is only a foregone conclusion if you insist it is

I think the town have a better chance of winning with the information that I am town even if it means worse numbers. This game doesn't need a wolf pelt on day 2 for town to win it I don't think.

I wasn't planning on speaking today but this is wrong abd bad and if you're saying this as town then you're honestly no better than how Transcend was playing yesterday when you threatened to blacklist him if I were a wolf lol.

That is very untrue. Information flipping hard POE locked slots is common and fine and just because I am being pragmatic about it doesn't mean it's not the correct play.

Do you think I am town now?

I think you're more likely than not a wolf, and I think you being this out of touch with the threadstare is wolfy in itself tbh, but I'm assuming you're town here for the sake of actual communication and in the case you are then aren't you literally just making the same arguments that Trans did about how it's pro town for you to flip today because you're perma-PoEed?

I shouldn't have to explain to you that this isn't how mountainous works. I'm pissed enough as it is that yesterday turned into a policy vote fiasco without dealing with this as well.

What does out of touch with the threadstate mean and how does what I am saying make me that?

I've played literally one mountainous game before this. We flipped a wolf on D1 and even in spite of this I can tell you now that I have never ever felt worse in a mafia game than in that mountainous with a complete lack of concrete info from recent wolf flips and feeling completely lost I I my pushes were right for the entire rest of the game. And that was despite me having ended up having the exact scumteam correct as well and pushing that world for an entire day phase. Mountainous with no wolf flips is honestly just dreadful and you not having any sense of self awareness that flipping you, assuming town, here would be incredibly anti-town is wolfy for sure.

You were saying before that if you were a wolf then this is a level 0 wolf play. Well if you're a villager this is a worse play still than if you were a wolf lol.

I didn't explain it further initially because I didn’t want to be too harsh in case you actually were town but this is what I was getting at here.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

I literally explained it lol

you're not the one id suspect of TMI

macdougalls vote is "I agree with esooa" for the most part and nanook never explains reads so