Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:04 pmwhat is GTH?
Gun To Head.
You've got a few posts lately that seem, let's say less than genuine, IMO re: player's not being present, etc. Am I being paranoid, or do you feel you should be free of suspicion?
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:15 pm
by Johanna
Well, they are genuine.
I'd say you being paranoid would entail me being otherwise clear of suspicion so I'm not sure what the question is.
I genuinely would prefer it if everyone came in and dropped at least a post before we hammered: I'm glad you did.
That doesn't mean it's gonna change anything, it's just personally not comfortable for me.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:17 pm
by Johanna
I mean obviously I know what your question is.
Generally I think nobody can be beyond suspicion in a game of MAfia. What speaks loudest in my favour was my prompt vote for SoA yesterday and my repeated insistence that they were my preferred chop. If that's not enough,
It's not much but it's what I've got.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:18 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
If anyone has any final questions or concerns or requests for analysis or whatever for me, be sure to cram 'em in my face before I drop dead.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:19 pm
by falcon45ca
Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:15 pm
Well, they are genuine.
I'd say you being paranoid would entail me being otherwise clear of suspicion so I'm not sure what the question is.
I genuinely would prefer it if everyone came in and dropped at least a post before we hammered: I'm glad you did.
That doesn't mean it's gonna change anything, it's just personally not comfortable for me.
What are your thoughts on TSP?
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:19 pm
by falcon45ca
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:18 pm
If anyone has any final questions or concerns or requests for analysis or whatever for me, be sure to cram 'em in my face before I drop dead.
TSP plz
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:19 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Haha, I'm confirmed town. I'm not even on the poll for people who really want to tinfoil. Haha I'm invincible. Haha I claim mafia. I'm on the mafia team. Haha whoa. Wowee. What a thing. Haha.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:18 pm
If anyone has any final questions or concerns or requests for analysis or whatever for me, be sure to cram 'em in my face before I drop dead.
TSP plz
Without a counter-claimed fruit vendor, I view Tony as confirmed town without any concern at all. I also think his play very closely aligns to what I'd expect from a literal fruit vending Tony.
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:18 pm
If anyone has any final questions or concerns or requests for analysis or whatever for me, be sure to cram 'em in my face before I drop dead.
TSP plz
Without a counter-claimed fruit vendor, I view Tony as confirmed town without any concern at all. I also think his play very closely aligns to what I'd expect from a literal fruit vending Tony.
This is now Tony's job IRL for me, never gonna change
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:37 am
That tends to be my view as well, Johanna. I would probably feel stronger if falcon hadn't joined the vanishing club.
Sometimes I drink a lot of vodka...and whisky....and tequila
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 11:37 am
That tends to be my view as well, Johanna. I would probably feel stronger if falcon hadn't joined the vanishing club.
Sometimes I drink a lot of vodka...and whisky....and tequila
And you aren't even a Bengals' fan.
Nope, Atlanta Falcon's in the NFL, Saskatchewan Roughriders in the CFL.
Vancouver Canucks in the NHL, Toronto Raptors in the NBA, New York Yankees in the MLB, and Tottenham Hotspur in the Premier League
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:30 pm
by Marmot
Note on my experience with falcon as mafia.
In Elder Squirrels Mafia, falcon and I were partners. He was very sharp Day 1 onward, and even went out of his way multiple occassions to throw suspicion on all of his scummates, including me. (Kyle may have been an exception, I forget, but Mac and I drew a lot of his attention). Falcon was eventually yeeted, I think on Day 5, mostly because his activity waned and he didn't even post or vote the day he was yeeted.
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:03 pm
Also I'm thinkin' there's probably a scum in the 0-posters. Not sure if mafia the syndicate is the same, but on mafia scum a ton of folk hate randin' mafia to the point where they'll barely post. It can get pretty annoyin' and well... we've got three guys here not speakin' and I don't feel super bamboozled yet. I think I'm gonna make an enemy out of anyone who comes into the thread now.
Pushing low posters D1? Never seen scum do that before...
This chop won't happen.
If you had to choose between the people having votes already, who would it be?
Also what's your thoughts on Sig?
Not with that kind of attitude.
GTH sig is town
What’s he done to “earn” your town read?
He hasn't, a GTH read from me is the same as a gut read.
I feel he'd come across more agenda-y if he were Maf
Moments like these make me want to separate falcon from SoA. I haven't been able to pull the trigger since falcon kind of treats everyone like this at least once.
I would say that's pretty standard falcon scum-teammate treatment from my memory.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:33 pm
by Marmot
JJJ is probably mafia, and mafia decided to kill him instead of town just to toy with us.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:34 pm
by Marmot
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:30 pm
Note on my experience with falcon as mafia.
In Elder Squirrels Mafia, falcon and I were partners. He was very sharp Day 1 onward, and even went out of his way multiple occassions to throw suspicion on all of his scummates, including me. (Kyle may have been an exception, I forget, but Mac and I drew a lot of his attention). Falcon was eventually yeeted, I think on Day 5, mostly because his activity waned and he didn't even post or vote the day he was yeeted.
Nachomamma8 wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:09 pm
Hello! Sorry for my absence so far - I'm reading through the game a little now but will catch up in full tonight when I am settled in and done with errands!
Don't forget to apologize for your absence again when you pop in to tell us you're still catching up on the game!
I want nacho to come post and play too, but this is kind of a passive-aggressive way to request it of him.
@Nachomamma8 come play with us!
It is? Well, fuck.
I was going for just plain ol' aggressive, guess I missed the mark.
This is a post between scum-me and scum-falcon in Elder Squirrels.
Son of Anarch wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 10:30 pm
hello. i didn't get to see EOD. work has me so swamped. who died
I have a sneaking suspicion that Nanook tagged you (like he did everybody) and you can go check for yourself.
It's D3, derp clears are for D1
I honestly didn't think tags did anything on this site but thanks for the passive-aggression bud
Sorry about that.
I wasn't trying to be passive.
This one is between SoA and falcon in this game.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:37 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:33 pm
JJJ is probably mafia, and mafia decided to kill him instead of town just to toy with us.
Town will never see it coming. Not even the ones that said it.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:39 pm
by Johanna
JJJ mafia godfather that gets a vote after death. RIP.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:40 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
I would hesitate to rely on a meta comparison that specific, but sure it shows that at least one post can exist for a mafia falcon. I wouldn't call it an actual tendency without numerous more examples. I think falcon's M.O. makes that post a more predictable one regardless of alignment, when his sarcastic aggression is called "passive-aggressive".
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:42 pm
by Marmot
I'm actually reading falcon's treatment of me as scum in Elder Squirrels Mafia, and it does look different than his handling of players in this game.
I think falcon attempted to look clean in his progression of a read on me in that game, and it worked. In this game, I don't see him trying to look like that.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:44 pm
by Marmot
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:40 pm
I would hesitate to rely on a meta comparison that specific, but sure it shows that at least one post can exist for a mafia falcon. I wouldn't call it an actual tendency without numerous more examples. I think falcon's M.O. makes that post a more predictable one regardless of alignment, when his sarcastic aggression is called "passive-aggressive".
The thing I found curious was his response, not necessarily the initial accusation by a maphier.
But I agree. I think it's falcon's personality to rile people a healthy amount, but not in a mean-spirited way, hence backing down after being accused of passive-aggression.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:51 pm
by Marmot
Tbh, I'm feeling less convinced about scum-falcon the more I read his iso's from other scum games.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:57 pm
by Marmot
Is a SoA-Dolby-ilario-Dizzy world conceivable? :wowee:
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:02 pm
by Marmot
SoA treated G-Man almost identically to how he treated NAA. 0 treatment outside of his initial readlist.
But G-Man and NAA handled SoA very differently. NAA had a read that progressed toward a scumread, whereas G-Man stated an initial suspicion of SoA before vacating the suspicion.
I'm definitely not entertaining a scum-Dizzy world unless we end up in lim-lo. Also, I think my new preferred yeet order is:
Dolby => G-Man => falcon => ilario
And honestly, I'd reconsider putting ilario in front of falcon.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:03 pm
by Marmot
Johanna wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:39 pm
JJJ mafia godfather that gets a vote after death. RIP.
Alternate mafia win-condition: poison the entire triad.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:33 pm
by Johanna
Oh man, we're screwed.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:54 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:57 pm
Is a SoA-Dolby-ilario-Dizzy world conceivable? :wowee:
That was my tinfoil team yesterday. I do think Dizzy is town though.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 2:56 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
It’s kinda dumb but I would kill ilario before falcon just based on ilario not being here while falcon has been.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:06 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
It'd be cool if everyone could share their general impressions of the things G-Man has had to say over the past couple day phases, or to point to where they've already said it.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:13 pm
by NotAnAxehole
OEXRNAAORQRA?ITOORLOR?ODOT?RZTTTNXDZD
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:38 pm
by Johanna
G-Man seems to actually be making an effort but I would need to ISO. I think his initial reads list, which could be qualified as brave, put at least a couple people from the PoE on his town side, and his push on Falcon following the lead of SoA, Dolby, et al. is maybe questionable.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 3:56 pm
by Dyslexicon
Did we win?
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:08 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Kinda feels like it.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:09 pm
by Marmot
Let me know when you'd like to hammer Jay? I don't have much else to say today, but I know this is your last day.
I'll put it at L-1 whenever you're ready.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:10 pm
by Marmot
That was an order, not a question.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:17 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:09 pm
Let me know when you'd like to hammer Jay? I don't have much else to say today, but I know this is your last day.
I'll put it at L-1 whenever you're ready.
Go ahead. Now is a good time for our European friends.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:18 pm
by NotAnAxehole
Jesus Christ himself has spoken. End the day.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:18 pm
by NotAnAxehole
#Clout
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:21 pm
by Marmot
[VOTE:
Dobly] aubergine
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:21 pm
by Marmot
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:18 pm
Jesus Christ himself has spoken. End the day.
The new game rule is that the poisoned player gets to hammer.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:23 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Final legacy:
I believe Dolby will flip mafia. If he somehow does not, then the entire game needs to be reassessed. That doesn't mean we have a free pass to panic; it could still be a reasonably POE-friendly scenario. But it does mean players will have to engage immediately and leave no stones unturned.
If Dolby does flip mafia, then I believe the most likely final two mafia are G-Man and ilario. My stance on that team increases with every minute that ilario doesn't make an appearance in this game. We're all busy sometimes, but we're at 24 hours into Day 4 now. At a certain point avoidance and morale must be considered. Stay the course until there is a good reason apparent that it shouldn't be stayed.
If that is not the team, then falcon would be my first fallback. Try your best regardless townies to stay awake, because if we're wrong anywhere then the best thing the mafia can have happen is for the thread to fall asleep.
Marmot is my top non-confirmed town read. Tony remains confirmed without a counter. Dizzy is my second-strongest town read, followed by NAA and Johanna who are comparable.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:24 pm
by Marmot
Mafia, please poison NAA so he can hammer tomorrow (whether he's town or not)
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:26 pm
by Marmot
This whole "NK'd player gets to play out the next day as IC" is actually really townsided. Dunno if the whole setup is, but that mechanic is.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:27 pm
by JaggedJimmyJay
Thanks for the game everyone. I hope it goes our way. I appreciate your efforts.
[VOTE:
Dolby] aubergine
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME that's hammer.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:28 pm
by Marmot
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:23 pm
Final legacy:
I believe Dolby will flip mafia. If he somehow does not, then the entire game needs to be reassessed. That doesn't mean we have a free pass to panic; it could still be a reasonably POE-friendly scenario. But it does mean players will have to engage immediately and leave no stones unturned.
If Dolby does flip mafia, then I believe the most likely final two mafia are G-Man and ilario. My stance on that team increases with every minute that ilario doesn't make an appearance in this game. We're all busy sometimes, but we're at 24 hours into Day 4 now. At a certain point avoidance and morale must be considered. Stay the course until there is a good reason apparent that it shouldn't be stayed.
If that is not the team, then falcon would be my first fallback. Try your best regardless townies to stay awake, because if we're wrong anywhere then the best thing the mafia can have happen is for the thread to fall asleep.
Marmot is my top non-confirmed town read. Tony remains confirmed without a counter. Dizzy is my second-strongest town read, followed by NAA and Johanna who are comparable.
Heck of a 35,000th post if you ask me.
GG JJJ, let's the rest of us bring home a town win.
Re: Fleabag Mafia d4
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:36 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@Dolby has died, they flip Harry, MAFIA goon
@JaggedJimmyJay has succumbed to poison, he flips godmother, VT
