Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

#3201

DharmaHelper wrote: Also I think your PHD writing conventions are dripping into your mafia post.

Is this an OT kind of comment, or is it affecting your read of me? Either way, I'm curious about it.

#3202

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
At this moment, I would vote MP.

I don't like his claim to be playing his town meta. It sounds like he's got a good amount of awareness of what he is doing in the thread if he can make that claim.

Explain to me what this means, because I think you lost me.

#3203

Mr. Freeze if you take up my offer I'll help you find Montoya and then you let us lynch you and we all win together

Actually, I forgot

@Hosts: Do Gordon/Bullock/Montoya need to be alive to win?

#3204

Enrique wrote:@Hosts: Do Gordon/Bullock/Montoya need to be alive to win?

Nah.

#3205

Metalmarsh89 wrote:MP, how does your behaviour this game match your town meta? Also, why is this your defense to the accusations against you?

First off, I can't emphasize enough that it's NOT a defense to the accusations against me. Typhoony asked me what was lolworthy, and that was the first part of my answer to what is lolworthy. He wasn't asking for me to defend against any accusation.

Is there an accusation that you or someone else wants my response to?

As to your first question, I just feel like I'm not at all exhibiting any of the behavior normally exhibited when I am mafia, versus when I am town. I don't have anything to prove to you or anyone else, and especially with feeling lost amid the game, I feel my attitude has been significantly different than when I'm mafia and feel I have to convince everyone I'm town. Does that make sense?

#3206

Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:It's such a pointless convo really because we lynch whoever we get, but Zebra is just arbitrarily deciding when they are baddies and when they are indies.
No, zebra is deciding when they are MAFIA and when they are indys.

This isn't hard to understand.

Both mafia and indys can be 'baddies'. Just because an indy is bad does not make him mafia.
This post makes no sense, lol. "Indies" can be Mafia now? Jeesh. "Just because an indy is bad does not make him mafia." But... I don't understand, isn't that an argument against Zebra? When did I say anything like that?

You guys have a very loose definition of "facts."

You make me tear my hair out, Enrique. An independent CAN'T be mafia. The inmates ARE CLEARLY not mafia. That's my point. If they aren't mafia, they MUST be independents. They can win with the mafia. They can win with the town. This is the definition of independent. Whether or not they are bad and it is worth the town killing them is irrelevant. Would we say an independent Serial Killer is bad? Every time. Doesn't mean they are not independent.

#3207

Dom wrote:
Black Rock wrote:
Dom wrote:
Black Rock wrote:I would have liked to vote for Dom, as he sounds like baddie Dom to me, but I guess I'll vote for Nero. If you're right Enrique, then I will help keep him alive. I do not think he's bad.
BR, I am having a really hard time wrapping my head around this post. You will help keep who alive? Who don't you think is bad?

Matt. Sorry I went to bed before this post
It's okay.. I thought you were saying Nero and got really confused.

Black Rock wrote:I agree Epig would rather save his team then throw them to the wolves. As a teammate he actively tries to give you advice to survive. He's more loyal team first kinda guy. I enjoy being on his team.
I agree with this 100%, but I'm not sure why Epig's actions are relevant in a game where he is hosting.

Additionally, MP, I don't like your claim that you're playing your town meta. That pinged me. I'm not reading either town or your baddie persona that I associate you with (at least internally-- however wrong I may be). I am seeing something in between. Maybe you're not Nero's teammate (there is some evidence to point to that), but I'm not thinking you are civ.

Dom, I'm glad that you've clarified this, because this is something I hadn't seen in any of your prior posts expressing suspicion of me. I have a few follow-up questions for you if you don't mind answering them, in order to engage you in your suspicion of me.

1) Have you felt that way (that I'm not reading town or baddie) the whole time you've been suspecting me, or only recently?
2) If I'm not reading town or baddie, then what do you propose I most likely am, an inmate? If so, why would you want me dead specifically? Can you explain this train of thought a bit more?
3) Why did my claim ping you?

#3208

I've never called them Mafia Golden I don't know why you keep pushing this.

#3209

If Enrique allows me to live tonight, I will probably vote Enrique tomorrow.

#3210

Dom wrote:MP, what parts of your town meta do you think you've represented?

I think I somewhat misrepresented what I was trying to say in my post regarding "town meta", given both you and MM have asked for specifics. Refer to my answer to MM for my answer, but to elaborate, it's really just that I feel like I'm very evidently not playing my mafia game that I find it odd that people are suspecting me as being mafia. I suppose that's the nature of the game though.

#3211

Have you even read Mr. Freeze's role? He's a fucking serial killer in the making. You don't want that guy around.

And yeah I want him dead, sue me.

linki- Matt you are going to look so silly in the post-game I can't even

#3212

Hey sig, whenever you show up, I just remembered something I meant to ask you earlier that I saw when I was catching up. You asked Golden for your opinion on me during Day 2 on two nonconsecutive occasions, as well as other players (from what I recall), after I voted for you. What do you think of me, exactly, and why do you put so much stock in others' opinions of me, particularly Golden?

#3213

MovingPictures07 wrote:The Hosts pretty much implied that it's unlikely I'll be replaced at this point and that I should stick it out. So what am I to do, now, that I've made actions that are seemingly suspicious, don't have adequate time to keep playing even at the level I played this past weekend, and people are being closed-minded?

The nero lynch was an amazingly open-minded one. People are really listening and thinking this game.

#3214

Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.

#3215

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:The Hosts pretty much implied that it's unlikely I'll be replaced at this point and that I should stick it out. So what am I to do, now, that I've made actions that are seemingly suspicious, don't have adequate time to keep playing even at the level I played this past weekend, and people are being closed-minded?
The nero lynch was an amazingly open-minded one. People are really listening and thinking this game.

Explain this to me. Maybe I'm missing something (it's very possible, in fact), but it seems to me half (estimation) of the votes on Nero were unsubstantiated/bandwagony votes.

#3216

I'm proposing that we win together I don't know why you're telling my proposal to go fuck itself when it's super beneficial for everyone except the Mafia.

#3217

Hey Enrique, who do you want to lynch tomorrow and why?

#3218

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:The Hosts pretty much implied that it's unlikely I'll be replaced at this point and that I should stick it out. So what am I to do, now, that I've made actions that are seemingly suspicious, don't have adequate time to keep playing even at the level I played this past weekend, and people are being closed-minded?
The nero lynch was an amazingly open-minded one. People are really listening and thinking this game.

Really? It seemed like a lot of the voters were mindlessly bandwagoning. I'd bet that at least one of Nero's teammates voted for him.

#3219

This is the most pro-Arkham thing I've said the whole game but you have to shit on it anyway. What exactly did I do wrong?

linki- ooof there's so many names. Serious though, I'd be completely fine with any of you/Zebra/sig/sabie.

#3220

MovingPictures07 wrote:I apologize to the hosts and to everyone if my content or tone at any point in this game has frustrated any of you. I've just been battling staying current with this sheer amount of content, which normally I'd be insanely giddy about. It's definitely better than no one playing the game, so I applaud those of you that have really gotten your heads into this one. I just haven't managed that quite yet, but I hate to be a downer, so -- again, if I have been one, that makes me feel terrible and I want to apologize for it.

I'm not worried about your tone, but I think your feelings on what the game has been is inaccurate, probably because you are still dwelling on what day zero was and haven't been able to keep up since then. There is a metric tonload of content that isn't just two people going back and forth. Sure, there is no JJJ like isoing of every player going on, but there are people making good cases on others.

#3221

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.

Scandalous!

#3222

Enrique wrote:This is the most pro-Arkham thing I've said the whole game but you have to shit on it anyway. What exactly did I do wrong?

linki- ooof there's so many names. Serious though, I'd be completely fine with any of you/Zebra/sig/sabie.

Why those four, and why equally?

#3223

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I apologize to the hosts and to everyone if my content or tone at any point in this game has frustrated any of you. I've just been battling staying current with this sheer amount of content, which normally I'd be insanely giddy about. It's definitely better than no one playing the game, so I applaud those of you that have really gotten your heads into this one. I just haven't managed that quite yet, but I hate to be a downer, so -- again, if I have been one, that makes me feel terrible and I want to apologize for it.
I'm not worried about your tone, but I think your feelings on what the game has been is inaccurate, probably because you are still dwelling on what day zero was and haven't been able to keep up since then. There is a metric tonload of content that isn't just two people going back and forth. Sure, there is no JJJ like isoing of every player going on, but there are people making good cases on others.

It's possible you're right, but I haven't really seen it. And I don't mean to say there hasn't been any meaningful content, that's definitely not the case. I just think most of it has been back and forths, from what I've been able to absorb.

#3224

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.

I'd love to play the rainbow game, but I'm nearly out of time for now.

And the nero wagon wouldn't have happened at all but for open-mindedness. Sure, there were a whole lot of votes you might consider mindless bandwagoning, but wouldn't the closed minded have just finished off Matt when he had a big lead, and was flooding the thread? Instead, we listened and turned it around and actually got a baddie.

#3225

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.
Scandalous!

Show me your rainbow, marmot.

#3226

I stepped away for literally 4 minutes to make lunch and am already a page in debt.

#3227

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.
I'd love to play the rainbow game, but I'm nearly out of time for now.

And the nero wagon wouldn't have happened at all but for open-mindedness. Sure, there were a whole lot of votes you might consider mindless bandwagoning, but wouldn't the closed minded have just finished off Matt when he had a big lead, and was flooding the thread? Instead, we listened and turned it around and actually got a baddie.

Perhaps, but Enrique was flailing his hands and jumping up and down, screaming, DON'T LYNCH MATT, I FUCKED UP! so...

#3228

Enrique wrote:I've never called them Mafia Golden I don't know why you keep pushing this.

Because you started criticising zebra again for calling them independents, and started saying 'they weren't independent until golden said they were', when the question of whether or not they are independent is not a subjective one, it is a fact.

I keep pushing this, Enrique, because if I can't get you to understand that the inmates are independents there is no hope for the children of the future.

#3229

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.
Scandalous!
Show me your rainbow, marmot.

I can't rainbow on my phone tbh.

#3230

MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote: Also I think your PHD writing conventions are dripping into your mafia post.
Is this an OT kind of comment, or is it affecting your read of me? Either way, I'm curious about it.

It was OT kind of. Just noting how you cited your sources (3) etc and the general tone of the post.

#3231

Has anyone considered that the reason Golden keeps pushing the "inmates = independents" is because he's Mr. Freeze?

:P

#3232

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.
Scandalous!
Show me your rainbow, marmot.
I can't rainbow on my phone tbh.

You owe me a raincheck.

#3233

DharmaHelper wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote: Also I think your PHD writing conventions are dripping into your mafia post.
Is this an OT kind of comment, or is it affecting your read of me? Either way, I'm curious about it.
It was OT kind of. Just noting how you cited your sources (3) etc and the general tone of the post.

Oh, okay. I don't know, maybe you're right.

#3234

MovingPictures07 wrote:Has anyone considered that the reason Golden keeps pushing the "inmates = independents" is because he's Mr. Freeze?

:P

I'm not 'pushing' it. I'm trying to get across to someone a mechanical fact that they seem incapable of comprehending. That someone who can win with either side is an independent, regardless of how much the civs might want to lynch them.

#3235

Golden wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Has anyone considered that the reason Golden keeps pushing the "inmates = independents" is because he's Mr. Freeze?

:P
I'm not 'pushing' it. I'm trying to get across to someone a mechanical fact that they seem incapable of comprehending. That someone who can win with either side is an independent, regardless of how much the civs might want to lynch them.

Sorry, I wasn't clear, the :P meant I was being 100% joking.

#3236

I second Enrique's Mr Freeze idea. Please block 2 of the following... Enrique, Turnip, DH, MP, sig, sabie, or dat Zeebs.

#3237

Matt wrote:I second Enrique's Mr Freeze idea. Please block 2 of the following... Enrique, Turnip, DH, MP, sig, sabie, or dat Zeebs.

Don't block me.

#3238

I wouldn't mind being lynched today if that means I can replace MP. I am not Nerolunar's teammate, but I can't argue against that analysis.

Pretty damn good Matt.

#3239

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.
Scandalous!
Show me your rainbow, marmot.
I can't rainbow on my phone tbh.
You owe me a raincheck.

Looks like there might be some rain in San Antonio tomorrow, but then it should be fine for the rest of the week.

#3240

a2thezebra wrote:I wouldn't mind being lynched today if that means I can replace MP. I am not Nerolunar's teammate, but I can't argue against that analysis.

Pretty damn good Matt.

Hey, no fair, let me get lynched first. :P

#3241

I don't think any of you is civ. I think Zebra and sabie are Nero's likeliest teammates, but I wouldn't rule you out, and I don't find your game so far to be particularly pro-town. You're one of the players I trust least in a game where I'm fine with lynching half the living players, so I'm willing to take my chances.

All of you equally because I'm in no rush to end this.

linki- Golden that's really unnecessary and, guess what, extremely subjective. If you read my argument with Zebra you'll know I had a problem with her defending them. The whole thing started with my saying the majority of the players had reason to be shady or something along those lines. Please don't pull this shit again.

linki2- Golden we all have different win conditions. The "factions" are near worthless when it comes to actually winning the damn game. I'm not playing this to hand it to fucking Gordon alone.

#3242

(that's a delayed response to MP btw

)

#3243

Enrique wrote:I don't think any of you is civ. I think Zebra and sabie are Nero's likeliest teammates, but I wouldn't rule you out, and I don't find your game so far to be particularly pro-town. You're one of the players I trust least in a game where I'm fine with lynching half the living players, so I'm willing to take my chances.

All of you equally because I'm in no rush to end this.

linki- Golden that's really unnecessary and, guess what, extremely subjective. If you read my argument with Zebra you'll know I had a problem with her defending them. The whole thing started with my saying the majority of the players had reason to be shady or something along those lines. Please don't pull this shit again.

linki2- Golden we all have different win conditions. The "factions" are near worthless when it comes to actually winning the damn game. I'm not playing this to hand it to fucking Gordon alone.

Fair enough.

I think I've been pro-town, but none of you know to what extent I have been pro-town.

#3244

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I wouldn't mind being lynched today if that means I can replace MP. I am not Nerolunar's teammate, but I can't argue against that analysis.

Pretty damn good Matt.
Hey, no fair, let me get lynched first. :P

#3245

@Enrique - we agreed a long time ago that practically it doesn't make a difference. So then why did you start taking digs yesterday at them only being independents because I declared them so, again?

You start throwing mud but then keep proclaiming it doesn't matter to you. But you prove otherwise.

#3246

Maybe Enrique is Nero's teammate.

#3247

a2thezebra wrote:I wouldn't mind being lynched today if that means I can replace MP. I am not Nerolunar's teammate, but I can't argue against that analysis.

Pretty damn good Matt.

I'm an attention whore and love the props, but tbh, I think we should all be thanking Enrique for solidly bussing his teamie.

#3248

Matt nooo

#3249

The question of what an independent is, is not subjective. It's really not subjective. You keeping saying it is subjective just proves you don't actually understand what an independent is.

What word would you give to someone who can win with either side? Can mafia win with either side? Can civilians win with either side? The inmates can win with either side. What label would you give them to describe this fact?

#3250

I've been pro-town as well but me not wanting to go after a newcomer (which Mac understandably thinks is unusual for me, though it isn't) does look purdy bad after their flip.

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

Full Games	Civilian: Mafia: Independent:
Speed Games	Civilian: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia:
Heists	Civilian: MVP: RED vs BLUE
Burglaries	Independent: The Theme Is Literally a Burglary
Special Games	Civilian: Independent:

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