Mafia Championship Scrimmage [END]

[ika]

He's been using rl? Whats he doing with 600 posts then?

filler and trying to look town to fool you? he has been bring up RL a lot, im not saying "OMG HES NOT POSTING HES SUING RL" but he has mentioned rl a lot

LOL, you think I've been posting filler?

Okay then.

yup, you have not really given me any TLDR stuff so i didnt even read it

Huh?

exactly

[Tangrowth]

[Golden]

Ika, its as though you are walking into my office and trying to give me legal advice without ever having had any legal training.

[Tangrowth]

I've gotten sidetracked and not really started the MM interaction yet. I still hope to get the rest of these done tonight, but we'll see.

[Golden]

I've gotten sidetracked and not really started the MM interaction yet. I still hope to get the rest of these done tonight, but we'll see.

56 minutes.

[ika]

Ika, its as though you are walking into my BTCS and trying to give me Maifa advice without ever having had any Mafia training.

i got 4 years of that golden

[Tangrowth]

I've gotten sidetracked and not really started the MM interaction yet. I still hope to get the rest of these done tonight, but we'll see.

56 minutes.

What, why 56 minutes?

[ika]

I've gotten sidetracked and not really started the MM interaction yet. I still hope to get the rest of these done tonight, but we'll see.

56 minutes.

What, why 56 minutes?

why not 42 minuites?

[Golden]

I've gotten sidetracked and not really started the MM interaction yet. I still hope to get the rest of these done tonight, but we'll see.

56 minutes.

What, why 56 minutes?

Am I wrong?

[Golden]

Ika, its as though you are walking into my BTCS and trying to give me Maifa advice without ever having had any Mafia training.

i got 4 years of that golden

Nah, its not like this. It's like the other thing. And please don't change my quotes without acknowledging it.

[Tangrowth]

I've gotten sidetracked and not really started the MM interaction yet. I still hope to get the rest of these done tonight, but we'll see.

56 minutes.

What, why 56 minutes?

Am I wrong?

EoD is in 24 hours and 56 minutes, not 56 minutes.

Well, 53 now, but you get my point.

[ika]

Ika, its as though you are walking into my BTCS and trying to give me Maifa advice without ever having had any Mafia training.

i got 4 years of that golden

Nah, its not like this. It's like the other thing. And please don't change my quotes without acknowledging it.

Its enitrelt like this golden. and i changed it to mafia equivalents. my response was to your orgnial quote in mafia terms

FTR i did mock trial in HS so i do kinda knwo some vauge stuff about legal

[Golden]

Oh. Why are we having a 60 hour day?

Thats actually really annoying lol.

[ika]

Oh. Why are we having a 60 hour day?

Thats actually really annoying lol.

duh its weekend, thats kinda why i am gettign annyed and would ahmmer anythign at this point

[DrWilgy]

Sigs style is still different to what I'm used to.

Zebra dropped the hammer and her vote shuffling scream chaosing, but I can see civ Zebra doing that so it's a very mixed emotion.

[Tangrowth]

Oh. Why are we having a 60 hour day?

Thats actually really annoying lol.

It's the weekend; that's how the games went last year even in 36/12 games. Weekends were 60/12.

[Golden]

Ika, its as though you are walking into my BTCS and trying to give me Maifa advice without ever having had any Mafia training.

i got 4 years of that golden

Nah, its not like this. It's like the other thing. And please don't change my quotes without acknowledging it.

Its enitrelt like this golden. and i changed it to mafia equivalents. my response was to your orgnial quote in mafia terms

FTR i did mock trial in HS so i do kinda knwo some vauge stuff about legal

No ika, it isn't like that at all.

You are coming in to my house and telling me things I know are wrong. I don't have to know every detail of the law to know your legal advice is wrong. I might not know what the legal advice should be, but I know damn well YOUR legal advice is wrong.

The reasons silverwolf suspected MP were bullshit. Your reasons for suspecting him are also bullshit. You don't know what you are doing or what you are talking about. And trying to make it about 'mafia experience' is not going to help, because it's not MAFIA EXPERIENCE you are refusing to listen to. It's personal, one on one, experience and knowing a friend. The kind I'd listen to if it were you and silverwolf talking about each other.

[Golden]

Oh. Why are we having a 60 hour day?

Thats actually really annoying lol.

It's the weekend; that's how the games went last year even in 36/12 games. Weekends were 60/12.

In that case, I've changed my mind. I want to drop a hammer. I don't want to hang around an extra 24 hours lol.

I was relying on not having to contribute for the next 12 hours, so I'll probably do my best not to.

[Golden]

(haven't really changed my mind about the hammer btw. Just bummed that I thought we were about to get a lynch and we aren't.)

[Tangrowth]

Oh. Why are we having a 60 hour day?

Thats actually really annoying lol.

It's the weekend; that's how the games went last year even in 36/12 games. Weekends were 60/12.

In that case, I've changed my mind. I want to drop a hammer. I don't want to hang around an extra 24 hours lol.

I was relying on not having to contribute for the next 12 hours, so I'll probably do my best not to.

Well, I may only in these circumstances (60 hour Day) be willing to drop a hammer, but only once I finish my analyses... and even then I'm hesitant.

[Tangrowth]

I just can't see why it'd ever be a good idea to drop the hammer, even if days were 90+ hours.

[Tangrowth]

(haven't really changed my mind about the hammer btw. Just bummed that I thought we were about to get a lynch and we aren't.)

Oh, I see.

[ika]

No ika, it isn't like that at all.

You are coming in to my house and telling me things I know are wrong. I don't have to know every detail of the law to know your legal advice is wrong. I might not know what the legal advice should be, but I know damn well YOUR legal advice is wrong.

and we are not ina legal system here so what your trying to comapre here is apples ot organges

The reasons silverwolf suspected MP were bullshit. Your reasons for suspecting him are also bullshit. You don't know what you are doing or what you are talking about. And trying to make it about 'mafia experience' is not going to help, because it's not MAFIA EXPERIENCE you are refusing to listen to. It's personal, one on one, experience and knowing a friend. The kind I'd listen to if it were you and silverwolf talking about each other.

ok no, THEY WERE NOT FUCKING BULLSHIT AND YOU KNOW IT. you can call ym reasons shit all you like but when you get on to DISCRETING A CONFIRMED TOWN it shows that you are only listeing to yourself.

i have tried lsiteing to you golden but i dont see it, all isee is scum form him and im not letting up. silver called him out on reasons she has seen though multiple scums (not one person, mutipile people) and mutiple games.

so bullshit to you, MP has done nothign but discredit silver while she was alive and discreits me and you refuse to change your stance one bit.

you want to call me out on bias? how about you take 2 stpes back and take one chance and think of an MP!scum world.

comparing me and silver to you and MP is NOTHING LIKE US. NOTHING COMPARES.

its not even close golden. dont ever, and i MEAN EVER, try to act liek its the same situation or that silver is worng on this. i bet the entire game on her reads right now

[ika]

I just can't see why it'd ever be a good idea to drop the hammer, even if days were 90+ hours.

you have caught scum? a cop guilty? tracker guilty?

i mean you cna talk for a bit but theres a point where its no longer porductive and we are reahcing that point

[Tangrowth]

No ika, it isn't like that at all.

You are coming in to my house and telling me things I know are wrong. I don't have to know every detail of the law to know your legal advice is wrong. I might not know what the legal advice should be, but I know damn well YOUR legal advice is wrong.

and we are not ina legal system here so what your trying to comapre here is apples ot organges

The reasons silverwolf suspected MP were bullshit. Your reasons for suspecting him are also bullshit. You don't know what you are doing or what you are talking about. And trying to make it about 'mafia experience' is not going to help, because it's not MAFIA EXPERIENCE you are refusing to listen to. It's personal, one on one, experience and knowing a friend. The kind I'd listen to if it were you and silverwolf talking about each other.

ok no, THEY WERE NOT FUCKING BULLSHIT AND YOU KNOW IT. you can call ym reasons shit all you like but when you get on to DISCRETING A CONFIRMED TOWN it shows that you are only listeing to yourself.

i have tried lsiteing to you golden but i dont see it, all isee is scum form him and im not letting up. silver called him out on reasons she has seen though multiple scums (not one person, mutipile people) and mutiple games.

so bullshit to you, MP has done nothign but discredit silver while she was alive and discreits me and you refuse to change your stance one bit.

you want to call me out on bias? how about you take 2 stpes back and take one chance and think of an MP!scum world.

comparing me and silver to you and MP is NOTHING LIKE US. NOTHING COMPARES.

its not even close golden. dont ever, and i MEAN EVER, try to act liek its the same situation or that silver is worng on this. i bet the entire game on her reads right now

[Tangrowth]

I just can't see why it'd ever be a good idea to drop the hammer, even if days were 90+ hours.

you have caught scum? a cop guilty? tracker guilty?

i mean you cna talk for a bit but theres a point where its no longer porductive and we are reahcing that point

I disagree.

[Tangrowth]

"All I have done is discredit Silver" = like wut

What game are you playing, ika?

I don't intend to get in an unnecessary back and forth though, so whatever.

[ika]

"All I have done is discredit Silver" = like wut

What game are you playing, ika?

I don't intend to get in an unnecessary back and forth though, so whatever.

and here it is again, hes trying to avoid the discussion, and you know all you did was basically discredit her, and your post here is doing the same damn thing

[ika]

oh and as a bonus, lets add in condescending.

like goldn tell me how this is town!mp at all?

[Tangrowth]

"All I have done is discredit Silver" = like wut

What game are you playing, ika?

I don't intend to get in an unnecessary back and forth though, so whatever.

and here it is again, hes trying to avoid the discussion, and you know all you did was basically discredit her, and your post here is doing the same damn thing

[ika]

"All I have done is discredit Silver" = like wut

What game are you playing, ika?

I don't intend to get in an unnecessary back and forth though, so whatever.

and here it is again, hes trying to avoid the discussion, and you know all you did was basically discredit her, and your post here is doing the same damn thing

your not refuting the poitn im making...

[Tangrowth]

oh and as a bonus, lets add in condescending.

like goldn tell me how this is town!mp at all?

You think I'm condescending?

For one, if you have a personal problem with it, that's something for the MoD, and I apologize. I have no intentions of being condescending.

For two, I think you should try and see how you come across in your posts sometimes, because, while I'm not personally offended by anything you've said, you have a tendency to consider only your own (and Silver's) thoughts while auto-dismissing everyone else's in a way that could be seen as condescending.

[Golden]

If you want to bet your 'win con' on all of silver's reads being right, then you go ahead. I have no problem with you losing if you are wrong. That's up to you.

But I mean, how can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously when you say all of these three things today:

"All I see is scum from [MP]"

"[MP is posting] filler"

"[MP has] not really given me any TLDR stuff so I didn't even read [MP's posts]"

To me, that says it all. you aren't even reading his posts. So why should your view he is scum hold any weight with me at all? Because silverwolf called him out for things I know as a fact he does when town?

[ika]

If you want to bet your 'win con' on all of silver's reads being right, then you go ahead. I have no problem with you losing if you are wrong. That's up to you.

But I mean, how can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously when you say all of these three things today:

"All I see is scum from [MP]"

"[MP is posting] filler"

"[MP has] not really given me any TLDR stuff so I didn't even read [MP's posts]"

To me, that says it all. you aren't even reading his posts. So why should your view he is scum hold any weight with me at all? Because silverwolf called him out for things I know as a fact he does when town?

Yes, and you should of realized now i am always one to have little to nothign on cases or reason but silver dying n1 is tellign enough in itself

[Tangrowth]

"All I have done is discredit Silver" = like wut

What game are you playing, ika?

I don't intend to get in an unnecessary back and forth though, so whatever.

and here it is again, hes trying to avoid the discussion, and you know all you did was basically discredit her, and your post here is doing the same damn thing

your not refuting the poitn im making...

That's because it's a ridiculous point.

I've done so much more this game than "discredit Silver", and I never did that to begin with. I listened to her meta read of you, otherwise I would have led a lynch on you by now because your playstyle is inherently suspicious (in my view).

I've conducted analyses, I've engaged practically everyone in the game as much as possible, and I've taken literally every opportunity I possibly could to attempt to solve this game.

To summarize my play as nothing but "discrediting Silver" is not only an incorrect view of my back and forth with Silver back on d1, but completely ignoring literally everything else I've done all game.

It's also ironic, because since d1 you've pretty much coasted.

[Golden]

Oh, yeah, because scum always auto-kill the person who is most suspicious of them to make it so obvious they are bad. Sorry, I forgot that scum pick their kill choices based on what is most likely to get them lynched the next day.

[ika]

why the hell do you think i refuse to change? nobody has yet to come out with a "oh they are cleard cus role" nor has anyone ever given me anything to disprove them killing off silver n1 for her accuracy

[Tangrowth]

If you want to bet your 'win con' on all of silver's reads being right, then you go ahead. I have no problem with you losing if you are wrong. That's up to you.

But I mean, how can you possibly be expected to be taken seriously when you say all of these three things today:

"All I see is scum from [MP]"

"[MP is posting] filler"

"[MP has] not really given me any TLDR stuff so I didn't even read [MP's posts]"

To me, that says it all. you aren't even reading his posts. So why should your view he is scum hold any weight with me at all? Because silverwolf called him out for things I know as a fact he does when town?

QFT

[Golden]

why the hell do you think i refuse to change? nobody has yet to come out with a "oh they are cleard cus role" nor has anyone ever given me anything to disprove them killing off silver n1 for her accuracy

Because you are stubborn.

[ika]

"All I have done is discredit Silver" = like wut

What game are you playing, ika?

I don't intend to get in an unnecessary back and forth though, so whatever.

and here it is again, hes trying to avoid the discussion, and you know all you did was basically discredit her, and your post here is doing the same damn thing

your not refuting the poitn im making...

That's because it's a ridiculous point.

I've done so much more this game than "discredit Silver", and I never did that to begin with. I listened to her meta read of you, otherwise I would have led a lynch on you by now because your playstyle is inherently suspicious (in my view).

I've conducted analyses, I've engaged practically everyone in the game as much as possible, and I've taken literally every opportunity I possibly could to attempt to solve this game.

To summarize my play as nothing but "discrediting Silver" is not only an incorrect view of my back and forth with Silver back on d1, but completely ignoring literally everything else I've done all game.

It's also ironic, because since d1 you've pretty much coasted.

doesnt matter how ridiculous, your activly tryign to avoid discussion and only discredit.

you discredited her all day one when she was pushing you, hell if anything golden did it more

i have not been ignoring it all i have been ignoring agood chunk cus any most anyais can be tailored to ones view.

i mean i coudl do the same thing you had and chage up the entire narrative

and its irnoic how you misrepresent me about past day 1 cus silver was never expctivly town reading me at her time of death

[ika]

why the hell do you think i refuse to change? nobody has yet to come out with a "oh they are cleard cus role" nor has anyone ever given me anything to disprove them killing off silver n1 for her accuracy

Because you are stubborn.

hi pot im kettle, we are both black

[DrWilgy]

This persistence makes me think Ika and MP aren't on the same team...

...


...lynch both?

[Tangrowth]

I'm trying to avoid discussion and only discredit? OK, ika.

[Tangrowth]

This is pointless. ika is the most closed-minded, stubborn player I've ever seen.

I'm going back to analysis and won't be responding to in-thread posts for a bit, otherwise I'll never finish.

[Golden]

why the hell do you think i refuse to change? nobody has yet to come out with a "oh they are cleard cus role" nor has anyone ever given me anything to disprove them killing off silver n1 for her accuracy

Because you are stubborn.

hi pot im kettle, we are both black

too true.

But I do know MP a lot better than you so my reasons for being stubborn hold more weight with me. I'm trying to help you get a good read, ika. At this point, I'm going to stop engaging on your read of MP. Know this:

1) If you are scum, this game will not be forgotten, and if you get all stubborn I will remember. I will remember
2) If you are town, I'm looking forward to hearing from you after the game.

[ika]

This is pointless. ika is the most closed-minded, stubborn player I've ever seen.

I'm going back to analysis and won't be responding to in-thread posts for a bit, otherwise I'll never finish.

socky for that too?

[ika]

1) If you are scum, this game will not be forgotten, and if you get all stubborn I will remember. I will remember
2) If you are town, I'm looking forward to hearing from you after the game.

so if im scum everything i say now and post game will be ingored?

[sig]

soooo does anyone else besides Ika/Mp/Golden wanna post?

[Tangrowth]

METALMARSH89 / INAWORDYES

Day 1

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VOTE A2THEZEBRA, happy!?

I know Sloonei said he would be relatively inactive and asked who to vote for. I'm still weirded out by this behavior though. This vote looks extremely opportunistic, especially considering Sloonei asked who to vote for, and ika pointed at MP, not zebra.

You can call me Marmot.

That said, I'll be busy most of the rest of today, but I'll be around tomorrow to chat with all you fine amphibians.

I'd rather call you Marmellow.

Shoo fly.

Annnnd I'm 5 beers deep. AMA

Seventeen here. About average. A little high since it's the weekend.

Haha, ok I'll just assume it's medical.

Let me tell you something, I used to dive into that when I was in university. My attendance suffered, my grades suffered, and I had to work extra hard just to win class contests or take the best exam grades. Eventually, and this came gradually, I realized that if I wanted to be responsible I had to drop that habbit. I dropped it, and I got into all sorts of stuff. I'd spend my weekends learning how to fish, or woodwork, or run marathons, or get into oil painting, or writing novellas, or getting into game theory, or studying commodities markets, etc. The doors pretty much opened up for me then on in because I was ready to accept whatever I could pursue. Honestly, my biggest fear was if anything ever happened to my family or my friends, I wanted to be in the right mental state of mind to do something about it. The extra efficiency was a benefit.

#oldfartwisdom

TLDR - I'm 5 years old #troll

I learned a bit about game theory last term. Good stuff!

Inaword, Why is your vote on a complete lurker? You have like no game content so far, just being lol haha flowers yay.

VOTE INAWORDYES

Yay, a vote! Someone likes me!

Haha sorry, I'm playing less like MU and more like MM, and on my homesite we tend to RVS the players who haven't posted or voted on D1 because our games are role-heavy. We go for getting as much info on everybody rather than necessarily figuring out the scum team straight-out. I was also busy all day today so I didn't have any time to come in and adapt to new info. I'm catching up now though, so if there's anything of interest that y'all want me to take a look at, quote it and let me know! I probably won't reply to much on my catch up, so feel free to call attention to something I may have skipped over too.

Yay, someone plays like me!

Wait, you weren't talking about me were you?

"shinigami aren't permitted to undo that which has been fated. At that moment jealous became something that is ne ither sand nor rust, he died. The only reminder of his existence became his deathnote which remained his life"

FYI - in the champs games do not expect to ask public questions wrt the game to the host. Doing so is considered shooting an angle and breaking the rules.

Speaking of:
Question to JJJ:
How do you kill a shinigami?

I've been a Shinigami twice in games here. I survived to endgame both times.

Moral of the story, Shinigami don't die.

I'll post my scum games:
http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/thr ... Mafia-15er

... my home site's admins have literally been either permabanned and/or deleted my scum games as troll. Gae as fuck. I quit the site (requested ban) as soon as I was recognized the MVP of the site 3 years running for 20+ games.

I've never been scum.

I left this giant post in tact, but the IAWY portion is in orange. It's a very fluffy non-interaction.

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Look at how passionate people are in the for and against camps, you included. Are you really saying we are getting nothing?

I'm talking about his content now. I haven't read all the posts surrounding MM and IAWY even. I don't particularly feel MM is scum and there's no way of knowing IAWY's alignment. Also, I fear that if IAWY flips town then there's a lot of town on his wagon, and scum can easily defend it and throw suspicion on town later. It's just a much higher risk to me lynching someone who has barely talked.

If this is definitely going to happen, you should point out to us later which scum is easily throwing suspicion on the townies.

I don't think this was a serious post.

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Fine though if nobody wants to listen to me and switch there vote, then we can get to lynching the mafia tomorrow starting with those who are voting for Inaword, I'd actually right now like to lynch Silver. If either herself or Soneji flip mafia I'm confident the other is.

I could also see MM being mafia even if inaword does flip, which is why he didn't vote for him and tried to move it away from inaword a bit.

The inawordyes wagon was an out of nowhere "Hey, who wants to CFD somebody?" I was trying to lynch Sloonei before Yes had any votes.

Why does it not bother you that this happened, and what about the people that voted on it? This wagon is leading one of your top suspects after all.

This orange stuff seems rather dismissive of the IAWY wagon and suspicion altogether. So that's something.

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Here is a rainbow list.

Marco
Epignosis
Dyslexicon
Silverwolf
Soneji
Zexy
DrWilgy
Frog
Golden
Inawordyes
ika
Psittaciform
sig
a2thezebra
MovingPictures07
Sloonei

First MM rainbow list as IAWY in the yellow/null region. It would be a good way for a teammate MM to stay away from the whole IAWY situation.

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I should switch back to IAWY

Don't plz

Here MM tells Golden not to switch his vote from Frog back to IAWY, so that's another instance of resistance to the suspicion.


Day 2

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Here is my updated rainbow list. Not a lot has changed, but with three dead players and a few movements.

Marco
Dyslexicon
Soneji
Zexy
DrWilgy
Golden
Inawordyes
MovingPictures07
a2thezebra
Psittaciform
sig
ika
Sloonei

Players I have only gut-read and/or have no idea and need to look into more: Dyslexicon, Zexy, Inawordyes, Psittaciform. Pretty much every player I haven't played with before.

MM's rainbow list to start d2 has IAWY in the null region again.

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Inawordyes used the word unexpectedly twice in a row.

Pedantic pink!

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Inawordyes used the word unexpectedly twice in a row.

No need to be pedantic. I didn't realize I did that, sorry!

Is that your only response to my post, though? IIRC you were one of the people who was most on my case for being inactive, which kinda makes me suspicious that you're not more into calling out points I made.

No, I was on my phone at that moment, and that was the first thing I noticed. :P

I'm on my laptop now, so I can read further than the OT intro.

MM's first interaction with IAWY.

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Has anyone noticed that in MP's ISO reads, he's just reading posts null after null after null? I don't understand how he's getting town and Mafia leans when he's not reading all the posts he quoting either way. I understand why he'd scumread me for cultural differences - which he expressed that he knew from pregame stuff is my personality anyways - but it seems like he's being a little heavy-handed in keeping the read. I do think he's on the right side of the numbers, but if he keeps on me like that, he's gonna drop spots fast.

Ugh. This means going back and reread MP's ISOs. But this point you raise might make it worth it.

I didn't like how Soneji entered the thread guns-blazing with an aggressive attitude, I also didn't like how he didn't address my RVS vote at all but used it offhand as a reason to scum read me. I would lean him baddie for that.

I don't understand the backlash on Zebra and the wagon that formed on him for self-voting, that was kinda weird, and then IIRC (and correct me if I'm wrong, I'm going from memory) all his voters went from him, to MP, to me.

That's what I got at the moment, quote forward relevant issues or points that were directed at me since I know where we're quite a few of them, and I'll do my best to answer them.

This would be another good thing to look into for the verification. But at least it would be less tedious than the above task. :P

MM finds potential value in IAWY's observation regarding my ISOs being largely full of null individual post reads, but "slight" overall player reads. If I remember correctly, MM was the only player who expressed intrigue or agreement with IAWY's point.

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An ISO of MP's ISOs This is ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as MP having over 300 posts on Day 1. For the numbers included next to each name, the first one is the number of null posts read, while the second number is the total number of posts observed.

Psittaciform - (2/2) All null post reads, but gives a slight mafia read.

Metalmarsh89 - (6/6) All null post reads, but initially gives a slight mafia read before considering to push it to moderate mafia read.

Long Con - (10/14) 10 null posts, 2 town posts, and 2 scum posts. Ultimately gives Long Con a slight mafia read.

Inawordyes - (10/17) 7 mafia posts (that vary in strength) and the rest null, which result in a moderate mafia read on Inawordyes.

DrWilgy - (15/15) All null posts that result in a null read.

Soneji - (7/9) 7 null post reads and two town post reads, which result in a slight town read.



@Inawordyes: I see what you're saying here. 3 players on this list roughly equate to null reads, but MP gives them slight or moderate mafia reads anyway. He did say in my ISO that he is ignoring null reads. I don't understand that reason for this, especially since he still gave DrWilgy a null read (or more accurately, gave no read). Anyway, if you want to look deeper into the ISOs, the links are here.

MM ISOs my ISOs and counted the number of null / other individual reads I had, as well as my overall player reads. He seems to see IAWY's point, but doesn't mention anything alignment indicative about it. I was a bit confused about this then, and I still am now.

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An ISO of MP's ISOs This is ridiculous, but not as ridiculous as MP having over 300 posts on Day 1. For the numbers included next to each name, the first one is the number of null posts read, while the second number is the total number of posts observed.

Psittaciform - (2/2) All null post reads, but gives a slight mafia read.

Metalmarsh89 - (6/6) All null post reads, but initially gives a slight mafia read before considering to push it to moderate mafia read.

Long Con - (10/14) 10 null posts, 2 town posts, and 2 scum posts. Ultimately gives Long Con a slight mafia read.

Inawordyes - (10/17) 7 mafia posts (that vary in strength) and the rest null, which result in a moderate mafia read on Inawordyes.

DrWilgy - (15/15) All null posts that result in a null read.

Soneji - (7/9) 7 null post reads and two town post reads, which result in a slight town read.



@Inawordyes: I see what you're saying here. 3 players on this list roughly equate to null reads, but MP gives them slight or moderate mafia reads anyway. He did say in my ISO that he is ignoring null reads. I don't understand that reason for this, especially since he still gave DrWilgy a null read (or more accurately, gave no read). Anyway, if you want to look deeper into the ISOs, the links are here.

Yes, I was trying to ignore null reads and make an actual determination at the end of every post, but I was clearly mentally exhausted by the time I got to Wilgy, and considering all 15 of his posts I had no idea what to do with alignment-wise, I gave up.

I'm afraid though I fail to see what the point is. Do you disagree with any of my ISOs or reads; if so, what did I interpret differently than you? I want feedback.

IAWY asked about your reads and why you read everything as null, but still came up with mafia reads. This was just my research on the topic. I discovered you were ignoring null reads, which is why IAWY noticed this trend.

I don't disagree with this tactic from you. This is just an observation. But I do want to know why you chose to ignore null when giving your stamp of approval.

Furthermore, I find it suspicious that IAWY throws subtle heat at me (note that he doesn't call me scum for my ISOs or anything like that) for contributing content to the game, when he's barely done that himself.

As to why many of my reads were null:

1) I included every post that every player made in nearly every ISO, and considering it was still before EoD d1, yeah, there was a lot of non-alignment-indicative content.
2) We didn't even have a single result/flip so it's difficult to discern interactions.
3) I didn't want to force alignment indicative content out of thin air, and I only wanted to call something town or mafia lean with respect to a post if I really felt I could reason through a convincing argument one way or the other.

So enlighten me, MM, what was IAWY's point exactly?

You should ask him, not me.

I pressed MM on this ISO observation/criticism, and clarified my ISO procedures, since he seemed to find merit in it, and this was MM's response.

Spoiler: show

Your read of MovingPictures07 is... polarizing.

Why does he fall as a town read despite shady stuff?

MM comments that IAWY's read of me was "polarizing" and asks a clarifying question.

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I'm going to bed now, have some stuff to do in the morning. Quote me or leave me notes if you post something that you want my reaction on, I'll change the vote from Golden most likely, so don't be alarmed that it's staying overnight.

Have a good night. And remember, do the moment!!@#R%@#T#Q

Fluffy interaction post.

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Marmot is coming across more scummy for me for lighting fire under the MP suspicion without really owning it. Does he really believe that MP and/or Sig TMI'd? (See my response to Ika). He also furthered IAWY's "point" about MP giving slight leans on content he found mostly null. It's such a non-point to me, cause MP accounted for this and the whole point was obviously to try and get some kind of read on the lurkers.

No, I don't believe MP or sig TMI'd. Well, at least not sig (despite my lighting the fire under him).

I already explained my thoughts on the IAWY thing. I thought he made a good point. But after looking into it, I discovered it wasn't very meaningful, because his observation didn't account for the whole story.

In response to Dizzy's inquiry, MM says he's already explained himself regarding the IAWY ISO thing, saying he didn't think it was very meaningful.

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VOTE INAWORDYES

I see you watching the thread. What's up?

A "pressure" or prodding vote of IAWY with less than 45 minutes until EoD. Seems a bit meaningless since the IAWY wagon was in full force.

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Question: If IAWY was scum, would he not roleclaim in this situation?

MM asks about IAWY roleclaiming if scum.

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Question: If IAWY was scum, would he not roleclaim in this situation?

I don't know. If the scum know the setup, then he could try to fake claim, yeah?

Would someone who's more comfortable with this kind of setup chime in here?

I imagine would either try to survive, or at least try to draw out the real role, if the one they claim exists.

Further speculation on IAWY roleclaiming, in response to a question I asked.


Summary

- MM failed to take a hard stance on IAWY throughout all of d1 and d2. MM places IAWY in the null placement of both of his rainbow lists.

- For d1, MM stayed mostly silent about IAWY, but he did at least commit a soft defense in systematically dismissing the d1 IAWY wagon formation on a couple of occasions.

- MM interacts a fair amount with IAWY on d2, but doesn't seem to use any of it to form any read of him, which is the strongest point against him. I think this is relatively indicative of a teammate relationship; if it were true, it means that a teammate MM avoided taking any stance on bussing or hard defending IAWY, which is perhaps the most common teammate treatment in early game stages from my experience.


Conclusion

I would call MM's interactions with IAWY teammate compatible, and further, I'm willing to call them potentially teammate indicative.

What do you think?

[Tangrowth]

PSITTACIFORM / INAWORDYES

Day 1

Nada. Nothing. Zilch.


Day 2

Nada. Nothing. Zilch.


Summary




Conclusion