The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The biggest and most obvious hang up with Long Con's role claim is that we know that items are being passed out based on our travel destinations. I am uncertain that I believe we have a town inventor who is also giving out items along with this built-in game mechanic. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure how likely it is either. It does not help that LC claims to have given out no other items in the game, and that I am having a hard time justifying him giving me the gun of all people.

But at the same time, he knows what night you got it.

Did you hint at it enough for him to guess confidently?

Sloonei wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The biggest and most obvious hang up with Long Con's role claim is that we know that items are being passed out based on our travel destinations. I am uncertain that I believe we have a town inventor who is also giving out items along with this built-in game mechanic. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure how likely it is either. It does not help that LC claims to have given out no other items in the game, and that I am having a hard time justifying him giving me the gun of all people.

But at the same time, he knows what night you got it.

Did you hint at it enough for him to guess confidently?

I don't recall everything I've said about it today. I can easily go back and double check, but I never mentioned anything about it until today.

But we also had no item to vote on last night, and there would have been no reason for anyone to vote to give Sorsha an item on Night 1. Night 2 is the only night that makes sense for me to receive anything.

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The biggest and most obvious hang up with Long Con's role claim is that we know that items are being passed out based on our travel destinations. I am uncertain that I believe we have a town inventor who is also giving out items along with this built-in game mechanic. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure how likely it is either. It does not help that LC claims to have given out no other items in the game, and that I am having a hard time justifying him giving me the gun of all people.

But at the same time, he knows what night you got it.

Did you hint at it enough for him to guess confidently?

I don't recall everything I've said about it today. I can easily go back and double check, but I never mentioned anything about it until today.

But we also had no item to vote on last night, and there would have been no reason for anyone to vote to give Sorsha an item on Night 1. Night 2 is the only night that makes sense for me to receive anything.

One thing I'd never expect of Long Con is for him to consider a fake claim in that much detail.

Hey, LC, did you give anyone anything else at any time?

Sloonei wrote: All of us Syndicate regulars are in uncharted waters with regards to role claims. I don't know what to expect from anyone.

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The biggest and most obvious hang up with Long Con's role claim is that we know that items are being passed out based on our travel destinations. I am uncertain that I believe we have a town inventor who is also giving out items along with this built-in game mechanic. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure how likely it is either. It does not help that LC claims to have given out no other items in the game, and that I am having a hard time justifying him giving me the gun of all people.

But at the same time, he knows what night you got it.

Did you hint at it enough for him to guess confidently?

I don't recall everything I've said about it today. I can easily go back and double check, but I never mentioned anything about it until today.

But we also had no item to vote on last night, and there would have been no reason for anyone to vote to give Sorsha an item on Night 1. Night 2 is the only night that makes sense for me to receive anything.

One thing I'd never expect of Long Con is for him to consider a fake claim in that much detail.

Hey, LC, did you give anyone anything else at any time?

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The biggest and most obvious hang up with Long Con's role claim is that we know that items are being passed out based on our travel destinations. I am uncertain that I believe we have a town inventor who is also giving out items along with this built-in game mechanic. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure how likely it is either. It does not help that LC claims to have given out no other items in the game, and that I am having a hard time justifying him giving me the gun of all people.

But at the same time, he knows what night you got it.

Did you hint at it enough for him to guess confidently?

I don't recall everything I've said about it today. I can easily go back and double check, but I never mentioned anything about it until today.

But we also had no item to vote on last night, and there would have been no reason for anyone to vote to give Sorsha an item on Night 1. Night 2 is the only night that makes sense for me to receive anything.

One thing I'd never expect of Long Con is for him to consider a fake claim in that much detail.

Hey, LC, did you give anyone anything else at any time?

All of us Syndicate regulars are in uncharted waters with regards to role claims. I don't know what to expect from anyone.

Golden wrote:

Strawhenge wrote:There's a lot of stuff I wasn't here for, so if someone else has the answer to this, I would love to be enlightened.

But hey Golden, I'm curious about your vote for INH instead of La Marmota?

linki: Oh, cool, he's here. Golden! Hey Golden! {points at question]

I wasn't around for the second half of the phase. I've already addressed this earlier although I admit my iso is a pain. I can't say what I would have done for sure but marmot was on the table for me.

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The biggest and most obvious hang up with Long Con's role claim is that we know that items are being passed out based on our travel destinations. I am uncertain that I believe we have a town inventor who is also giving out items along with this built-in game mechanic. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure how likely it is either. It does not help that LC claims to have given out no other items in the game, and that I am having a hard time justifying him giving me the gun of all people.

But at the same time, he knows what night you got it.

Did you hint at it enough for him to guess confidently?

I don't recall everything I've said about it today. I can easily go back and double check, but I never mentioned anything about it until today.

But we also had no item to vote on last night, and there would have been no reason for anyone to vote to give Sorsha an item on Night 1. Night 2 is the only night that makes sense for me to receive anything.

One thing I'd never expect of Long Con is for him to consider a fake claim in that much detail.

Hey, LC, did you give anyone anything else at any time?

All of us Syndicate regulars are in uncharted waters with regards to role claims. I don't know what to expect from anyone.

That's fair, but you shouldn't expect Long Con to think anything through in that much detail except as a host. This is a man who will ply crazy schemes that are bound to fail because he doesn't think them through. If Long Con is lying, he got lucky about getting the day right, I can assure you.

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote: All of us Syndicate regulars are in uncharted waters with regards to role claims. I don't know what to expect from anyone.

And that throws people like me off.

People generally know when to claim where I'm from. People here are either pointlessly reluctant or drop their pants as soon as they see someone else do it.

Long Con wrote:Look, someone who isn't Sloonei got an item Night 2. Period. I'm not saying "speak up" because it could make you a target... but at least speak up if my life is on the line.

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Golden wrote:What 'useful gem of information' do you think is in there? Because I can only think of one, and that is knowing who I've targeted, and I think that's of more use to scum than town.

The believability of your claim does hinge on those targets largely, because the last two night kills have been pretty obvious targets -- the sorts of targets often watched by watchers.

Perhaps instead of revealing the targets immediately, you could start by revealing why you didn't watch Silver Lantern or nutella.

I did initially watch Nutella, but I changed my mind halfway through the night.

Silver lantern made no particular impression on me by the time I had to ask sprit if he'd accept my ability early. I don't remember when the vig claim came.

I've been thinking of this role as being as useful in knowing who to protect in the thread as who to go after. I've heard of watchers but never seen one in action, so I'll admit I haven't had the clear a thought process as 'find the killer'. I've been thinking more 'who's likely to be targeted'. I want as much info as possible to help me solve the game.

In terms of my ability to identify the kill target - well you're right that Nutella was obvious in hindsight and I should have stuck, but I'm having trouble keeping up with the thread to the point where I would ask for a replacement if sprit had them available. There's so much going on and to ask me to pick the exact target the baddies are nking is, or feels like, the same thing as criticising me for my time deficit, which I just can't help.

But in my opinion even saying 'this is the philosophy for how to pick my target as a watcher' seems to be a leg up for the baddies and I believe I have a pattern that I'd need to change if I revealed each one.

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:Look, someone who isn't Sloonei got an item Night 2. Period. I'm not saying "speak up" because it could make you a target... but at least speak up if my life is on the line.

I just asked you if you gave anyone else something at any time and you said no!

I did get an item on night 2 as well. That's why I was asking. It's not a gun. It would quite possibly qualify as an invention.

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Sloonei wrote:The biggest and most obvious hang up with Long Con's role claim is that we know that items are being passed out based on our travel destinations. I am uncertain that I believe we have a town inventor who is also giving out items along with this built-in game mechanic. It's not impossible, but I'm not sure how likely it is either. It does not help that LC claims to have given out no other items in the game, and that I am having a hard time justifying him giving me the gun of all people.

But at the same time, he knows what night you got it.

Did you hint at it enough for him to guess confidently?

I don't recall everything I've said about it today. I can easily go back and double check, but I never mentioned anything about it until today.

But we also had no item to vote on last night, and there would have been no reason for anyone to vote to give Sorsha an item on Night 1. Night 2 is the only night that makes sense for me to receive anything.

One thing I'd never expect of Long Con is for him to consider a fake claim in that much detail.

Hey, LC, did you give anyone anything else at any time?

All of us Syndicate regulars are in uncharted waters with regards to role claims. I don't know what to expect from anyone.

That's fair, but you shouldn't expect Long Con to think anything through in that much detail except as a host. This is a man who will ply crazy schemes that are bound to fail because he doesn't think them through. If Long Con is lying, he got lucky about getting the day right, I can assure you.

speedchuck wrote:

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:Look, someone who isn't Sloonei got an item Night 2. Period. I'm not saying "speak up" because it could make you a target... but at least speak up if my life is on the line.

I just asked you if you gave anyone else something at any time and you said no!

I did get an item on night 2 as well. That's why I was asking. It's not a gun. It would quite possibly qualify as an invention.

This just in: LC is not scum.

Probably.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

speedchuck wrote:

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:Look, someone who isn't Sloonei got an item Night 2. Period. I'm not saying "speak up" because it could make you a target... but at least speak up if my life is on the line.

I just asked you if you gave anyone else something at any time and you said no!

I did get an item on night 2 as well. That's why I was asking. It's not a gun. It would quite possibly qualify as an invention.

This just in: LC is not scum.

Probably.

He's now tied heavily to Golden.

If LC is scum, Golden must be, though not necessarily the other way around.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:Something to throw out there is that Nacho might not have been the intended kill given marmots role flip.

I recall Golden mentioning his actual Night 1 target wasn't who he had initially targeted. Was that person Nacho?

No. I targeted Jay and ended up targeting Fredwood.

Would you agree with me if I said that this indicates that they're very likely not both bad? I don't see a reason marmot would target two of his teammates. One, maybe.

Full confession, I only just went back and read marmot's role now to be able to answer this (I was sneaking in a moment just to see how he flipped yesterday while with the wife's family). So I haven't dwelt on it, but that makes sense to me. Assuming that it was marmot that redirected me.

Golden wrote:

Long Con wrote:Look, someone who isn't Sloonei got an item Night 2. Period. I'm not saying "speak up" because it could make you a target... but at least speak up if my life is on the line.

I just asked you if you gave anyone else something at any time and you said no!

I did get an item on night 2 as well. That's why I was asking. It's not a gun. It would quite possibly qualify as an invention.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Why would Golden, who missed our day 2 scum lynch get the item while Sloonei and Speedchuck, who bagged our scummer at the last second or Nutella, who basically started the train on Marmot, did not?

I all sorts of have problems with the idea that Golden won that vote. The only way that happens is if the mafia is allowed to vote and voted for one of their own to get the item.

Way too convenient for Long Con, too.

Sloonei wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Why would Golden, who missed our day 2 scum lynch get the item while Sloonei and Speedchuck, who bagged our scummer at the last second or Nutella, who basically started the train on Marmot, did not?

I all sorts of have problems with the idea that Golden won that vote. The only way that happens is if the mafia is allowed to vote and voted for one of their own to get the item.

Way too convenient for Long Con, too.

If they are both scum, do you think they would link themselves together so strongly in the thread today? Especially given the possibility that I could shoot either one of them at any time to blow the whole thing up in their faces?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Why would Golden, who missed our day 2 scum lynch get the item while Sloonei and Speedchuck, who bagged our scummer at the last second or Nutella, who basically started the train on Marmot, did not?

I all sorts of have problems with the idea that Golden won that vote. The only way that happens is if the mafia is allowed to vote and voted for one of their own to get the item.

Way too convenient for Long Con, too.

If they are both scum, do you think they would link themselves together so strongly in the thread today? Especially given the possibility that I could shoot either one of them at any time to blow the whole thing up in their faces?

WIFOM.

How ballsy is too ballsy before you think a player like Golden wouldn't do a thing as scum? I've never played with scum Golden.

So I'm doing what I always do. Suppose LC and Golden are scum. Suppose they are town.

In which situation do the pieces all fit together?

If they're scum, they're taking a huge risk. If they're town....why did Golden get the night 2 item? Wouldn't think a single townie would vote for him after the day 2 we had.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:Something to throw out there is that Nacho might not have been the intended kill given marmots role flip.

I recall Golden mentioning his actual Night 1 target wasn't who he had initially targeted. Was that person Nacho?

No. I targeted Jay and ended up targeting Fredwood.

Would you agree with me if I said that this indicates that they're very likely not both bad? I don't see a reason marmot would target two of his teammates. One, maybe.

Full confession, I only just went back and read marmot's role now to be able to answer this (I was sneaking in a moment just to see how he flipped yesterday while with the wife's family). So I haven't dwelt on it, but that makes sense to me. Assuming that it was marmot that redirected me.

@Golden

Revisionist nothing. You left out your full results and encouraged the idea that Marmot was behind the targeting switch.

Now, maybe that was just a mistake. I have a lot of experience with the role. It's in most of our games. Maybe you don't.

But like I said, if you want me to believe you made a mistake, you need to be upfront with your other results, not beat around the bush like you're afraid someone's gonna bust your claim.

Sloonei wrote:hey soneji why shouldn't I shoot you?

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:hey soneji why shouldn't I shoot you?

Because I'm town.

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:hey soneji why shouldn't I shoot you?

Because I'm town.

Sloonei wrote:I do not care about Golden's response to the Marmot redirection conversation. I am more interested in the item he claims to have received right now.

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:hey soneji why shouldn't I shoot you?

Because I'm town.

Who does town soneji propose I shoot instead? Who did you vote for on Night 2?

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I do not care about Golden's response to the Marmot redirection conversation. I am more interested in the item he claims to have received right now.

There is no value in the town knowing that. In fact, negative value.

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:hey soneji why shouldn't I shoot you?

Because I'm town.

Who does town soneji propose I shoot instead? Who did you vote for on Night 2?

I voted for you N2.

I would be inclined to say Fredwood but no one shares said suspicion. Shoot Golden.

Golden wrote:Lynch me if you must, but I will not be bullied into revealing any information I do not think it's wise to give. End of story.

People who want to force me into saying things that I have made it abundantly clear I will not share should be seen with suspicion, in my opinion. It is not hard to think of good reasons why I would hold back information in the towns interests, I'm telling you that's what I'm doing. Believe it or don't believe it, whatever, but you aren't getting me to budge.

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I do not care about Golden's response to the Marmot redirection conversation. I am more interested in the item he claims to have received right now.

There is no value in the town knowing that. In fact, negative value.

You can't even confirm or deny if it has the same name as the item we voted on that night?

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:Lynch me if you must, but I will not be bullied into revealing any information I do not think it's wise to give. End of story.

People who want to force me into saying things that I have made it abundantly clear I will not share should be seen with suspicion, in my opinion. It is not hard to think of good reasons why I would hold back information in the towns interests, I'm telling you that's what I'm doing. Believe it or don't believe it, whatever, but you aren't getting me to budge.

Remind me again what you have revealed about your role and targets.

Golden wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:Something to throw out there is that Nacho might not have been the intended kill given marmots role flip.

I recall Golden mentioning his actual Night 1 target wasn't who he had initially targeted. Was that person Nacho?

No. I targeted Jay and ended up targeting Fredwood.

Would you agree with me if I said that this indicates that they're very likely not both bad? I don't see a reason marmot would target two of his teammates. One, maybe.

Full confession, I only just went back and read marmot's role now to be able to answer this (I was sneaking in a moment just to see how he flipped yesterday while with the wife's family). So I haven't dwelt on it, but that makes sense to me. Assuming that it was marmot that redirected me.

@Golden

Revisionist nothing. You left out your full results and encouraged the idea that Marmot was behind the targeting switch.

Now, maybe that was just a mistake. I have a lot of experience with the role. It's in most of our games. Maybe you don't.

But like I said, if you want me to believe you made a mistake, you need to be upfront with your other results, not beat around the bush like you're afraid someone's gonna bust your claim.

I'm sorry. This is a blatant lie. Prove what you are saying. I did not encourage or anything marmot. I did the opposite.

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Golden wrote:

Sloonei wrote:I do not care about Golden's response to the Marmot redirection conversation. I am more interested in the item he claims to have received right now.

There is no value in the town knowing that. In fact, negative value.

You can't even confirm or deny if it has the same name as the item we voted on that night?

I can if you can find for me the name of the item we voted on that night. I can't find it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Golden, have any of your earlier reads changed significantly in the present?

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Soneji wrote:

Sloonei wrote:hey soneji why shouldn't I shoot you?

Because I'm town.

Who does town soneji propose I shoot instead? Who did you vote for on Night 2?

I voted for you N2.

I would be inclined to say Fredwood but no one shares said suspicion. Shoot Golden.

Why'd you vote for me?