The Syndicate

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:32 am**

that was after subbing in like day 4 to a role madness guillo game with a wolf team in shambles, btw. My WiM couldn't have been lower. Alison saw Mac talk about it in our GC

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:32 am**

I don't put any weight on the "I could do better as wolf" argument.

I believe in logic. I don't think either of you decided to make a weird and unnecessary decision as a wolf because YOLO. There is a solid rational justification for whatever it is, and I intend to find it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:34 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:32 am I don't put any weight on the "I could do better as wolf" argument.

I believe in logic. I don't think either of you decided to make a weird and unnecessary decision as a wolf because YOLO. There is a solid rational justification for whatever it is, and I intend to find it.

it's not just "I could do better as a wolf"

It's that if I'm a wolf claiming like this it was PLANNED

And that I have zero reason to affect my game in that way

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:34 am**

Note to self:
If I want to pocket Alison I need to completely yolo a game as wolf.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:35 am**

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:32 am I don't put any weight on the "I could do better as wolf" argument.

I believe in logic. I don't think either of you decided to make a weird and unnecessary decision as a wolf because YOLO. There is a solid rational justification for whatever it is, and I intend to find it.
it's not just "I could do better as a wolf"

It's that if I'm a wolf claiming like this it was PLANNED

And that I have zero reason to affect my game in that way

This wine is delicious.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:36 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:35 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:32 am I don't put any weight on the "I could do better as wolf" argument.

I believe in logic. I don't think either of you decided to make a weird and unnecessary decision as a wolf because YOLO. There is a solid rational justification for whatever it is, and I intend to find it.
it's not just "I could do better as a wolf"

It's that if I'm a wolf claiming like this it was PLANNED

And that I have zero reason to affect my game in that way
This wine is delicious.

do you deny that the way I've played lines up to the game a cop would play?

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:37 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:34 am Note to self:
If I want to pocket Alison I need to completely yolo a game as wolf.

I'm fine with you making intentional -EV decisions in order to make me trust you more as wolf. Not only will me trusting you be cancelled out by the -EV of your decision, the local loose cannons won't trust you anyway and you won't get that deep off it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:37 am**

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:36 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:35 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:32 am I don't put any weight on the "I could do better as wolf" argument.

I believe in logic. I don't think either of you decided to make a weird and unnecessary decision as a wolf because YOLO. There is a solid rational justification for whatever it is, and I intend to find it.
it's not just "I could do better as a wolf"

It's that if I'm a wolf claiming like this it was PLANNED

And that I have zero reason to affect my game in that way
This wine is delicious.
do you deny that the way I've played lines up to the game a cop would play?

Well, you're not a cop so yes.

But you are putting the perfect model image of a cop into play to make everyone think you are.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:38 am**

Btw I want to point out:
Scythe Mafia was a perfect example of how Tess (As town) doesn't play the perfect little PR.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:38 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:37 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:36 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:35 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:34 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:32 am I don't put any weight on the "I could do better as wolf" argument.

I believe in logic. I don't think either of you decided to make a weird and unnecessary decision as a wolf because YOLO. There is a solid rational justification for whatever it is, and I intend to find it.
it's not just "I could do better as a wolf"

It's that if I'm a wolf claiming like this it was PLANNED

And that I have zero reason to affect my game in that way
This wine is delicious.
do you deny that the way I've played lines up to the game a cop would play?
Well, you're not a cop so yes.

But you are putting the perfect model image of a cop into play to make everyone think you are.

then it's not 'wine'

it's true that to be a wolf I deteriorated my game in order to claim cop--that doesn't make sense

It only does as a cop

cause I am

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:40 am**

"I would never play like this as wolf" both PR ccs expound, gladly talking about how they wouldn't do it.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:40 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:40 am "I would never play like this as wolf" both PR ccs expound, gladly talking about how they wouldn't do it.

mines actually true tho

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:40 am**

Also it is wine.

Because it's all "Why would x do y"

Which is Wine.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:40 am**

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:40 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:40 am "I would never play like this as wolf" both PR ccs expound, gladly talking about how they wouldn't do it.
mines actually true tho

Lmao.

Except we both know that's a lie.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:41 am**

Town might not yet.

But both of us looking at each other right now know that's a lie.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:41 am**

You won't admit it because you want to win this cc battle.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:42 am**

lmao yeah sure sure

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:47 am**

While we're on the train of "Things I'd never do as scum" I would probably not claim the Tess/Wilgy diff check lmao.

I'd probably do something like Gav/Falc same.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:50 am**

I kinda think the reason for Ender's cc on me was just cause he thought it would be fun, lmao

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:51 am**

I don't care about this current line of argument because it's dumb.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:52 am**

Mafia are put in a pretty bad position if Tess is mafia and doesn't net the parity cop in her difference check claim.

You agree with this, Ender?

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:54 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:52 am Mafia are put in a pretty bad position if Tess is mafia and doesn't net the parity cop in her difference check claim.

You agree with this, Ender?

There's also the fact that if I got tracked either night I could simply be CC'd by the tracker

It's an awful claim

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:55 am**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:52 am Mafia are put in a pretty bad position if Tess is mafia and doesn't net the parity cop in her difference check claim.

You agree with this, Ender?

Not really.

9 players
3 are wolves
Gavial is obvious non-PR from how he interacted with Tess setting up her claim.

If she misses PR on her 2 then it narrows the field to 3. Parity cop CCs then only 2 left. Easily able to pick up Tracker even if they aren't in the 2.

Tess would want to WIN the cc, of course.

If they lose it does put her team in a worse position, however Tess isn't one that would go into a CC claim thinking she'll lose.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:58 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:55 am If they lose it does put her team in a worse position, however Tess isn't one that would go into a CC claim thinking she'll lose.

I mean I still am worried I'm gonna die today tbh

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:00 am**

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:58 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:55 am If they lose it does put her team in a worse position, however Tess isn't one that would go into a CC claim thinking she'll lose.
I mean I still am worried I'm gonna die today tbh

I'm gonna laugh if you claimed parity cop thinking Wilgy was the cop and wasn't expecting my cc.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:00 am**

Thing I'm looking forward to most:
Reading scumchat and seeing how Tess and co reacted when my checks were Tess/Wilgy

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:03 am**

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:54 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:52 am Mafia are put in a pretty bad position if Tess is mafia and doesn't net the parity cop in her difference check claim.

You agree with this, Ender?
There's also the fact that if I got tracked either night I could simply be CC'd by the tracker

It's an awful claim

btw too with my position in the game overall, I think it's a reasonable assumption that it was pretty likely I had been tracked at some point

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:06 am**

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:03 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:54 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 2:52 am Mafia are put in a pretty bad position if Tess is mafia and doesn't net the parity cop in her difference check claim.

You agree with this, Ender?
There's also the fact that if I got tracked either night I could simply be CC'd by the tracker

It's an awful claim
btw too with my position in the game overall, I think it's a reasonable assumption that it was pretty likely I had been tracked at some point

Did you Claim as roleblocker.

>Wilgy check

>Wilgy got blocked.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:06 am**

Tess, did you actually just claim as roleblocker.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:07 am**

You ballsy motherfucker.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:07 am**

I'm actually impressed.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:07 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:06 am Tess, did you actually just claim as roleblocker.

my Wilgy check was n1 and he got blocked n2, so nope

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:10 am**

Hm. Okay. Claiming as RBer is probably too ballsy for this situation.

I thought that was a pretty awesome set up and claim for a moment.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:10 am**

NGL if you had done that, simulating your checks with blocks, I would've been impressed.

But I should've known it wasn't the case because I wasn't blocked once so.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:10 am**

I'm actually a dumbass lmao.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:14 am**

I really don't think anyone should disbelieve my claim considering that fact tbh

the conditions for a wolf claim to work here are just

Not gonna happen

Hit the parity cop in my difference

Wasn't tracked once despite being PoE

Y'know

All of it

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:16 am**

Tbh if you got tracked you actually out both claims which is one goal of your play.

Not hitting Parity cop doesn't matter because you out cop via cc.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:16 am**

You're devaluing the outcomes to make your choice look better lmao.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:17 am**

This claim serves two purposes:

1. outs prs

2. changes vill focus.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:17 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:16 am Tbh if you got tracked you actually out both claims which is one goal of your play.

Not hitting Parity cop doesn't matter because you out cop via cc.

Parity cop doesn't claim if I get into a CC with the tracker before that

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:17 am**

Both those work if you miss Parity cop and you get tracked.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:17 am**

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:17 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:16 am Tbh if you got tracked you actually out both claims which is one goal of your play.

Not hitting Parity cop doesn't matter because you out cop via cc.
Parity cop doesn't claim if I get into a CC with the tracker before that

Tracker would have to cc first then. That's just timing dependant.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:18 am**

Regardless of all this you still imo need to build a team with me where I'm the most sacrificial wolf

Which just isn't a thing

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:21 am**

Do I?

Really?

All I need to do is build a team where you're confident they win if you sac yourself.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:22 am**

Which exists in an Alison team world already.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:22 am**

And can exist in a Gira or Wisp team world for differing reasons.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:22 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:21 am Do I?

Really?

All I need to do is build a team where you're confident they win if you sac yourself.

if there's a more sacrificial wolf than me I just tell them to claim and what to claim

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:24 am**

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:22 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:21 am Do I?

Really?

All I need to do is build a team where you're confident they win if you sac yourself.
if there's a more sacrificial wolf than me I just tell them to claim and what to claim

Obviously not.

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:24 am**

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:24 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:22 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:21 am Do I?

Really?

All I need to do is build a team where you're confident they win if you sac yourself.
if there's a more sacrificial wolf than me I just tell them to claim and what to claim
Obviously not.

Obviously because I'm not a wolf

Posted: **Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:25 am**

tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:24 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:24 am
tessepia wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:22 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:21 am Do I?

Really?

All I need to do is build a team where you're confident they win if you sac yourself.
if there's a more sacrificial wolf than me I just tell them to claim and what to claim
Obviously not.
Obviously because I'm not a wolf

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