i did an ISO of
Bass_the_Clever for my own sake. i'll post it because it'd be pointless not to share. read it if you want, don't if you don't.
some of these points may have already been addressed, perhaps even repeatedly. i am raising them anyway because it helps me to gradually come to a conclusion as i work through the post history. if something i say is majorly old news, oh well.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epignosis wrote:Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epignosis wrote:I want to lynch Long Con. That's where my Day 1 vote will be going as of right now.
Why? If you posted it already can you post a link.
It's Day 0. Long Con has six posts. I'm not posting a link for you. Read his posts and draw your own conclusion. Then tell me if
you find anything suspicious.
If you don't, then I'll gladly share what I found.
Ok I read the six post, but I would still like to know what you find suspicious.
Is it because there are only six post, 3 of which are fluff posts?
Is it the MP/Epi shoving match post?
the interesting thing about this is that Epignosis 1.0 gave Bass a nice chance to take any kind of early stance on Long Con at all, even if a defensive one, and he did not. he asked for clarification on Epi's read but never gave a read of his own. i will grant that it can be difficult to give a read of a player who at the time only had six posts though, so consider this a minor point.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:XthAtGAm3RGuYX wrote:Bass_the_Clever wrote:Hey Gamer Guy what do you make of this day zero?
Jesus Toast all around.
Personally I don't really start playing until day 2. I work better with hard facts and analytical data. Occasionally the classic freduian slip. For now none of this shit really means anything, but it may be useful in hindsight later down the road. I've mostly been skimming because I make a conscious effort not to engage in day 0. Gotten myself in trouble quite few times because I thought I would be smartass in one way or another.
Well you better not be the guy who does "jack shit" then just comes in the thread and drops a vote or chooses not to vote.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Gamer Guy you were just on a mafia team with S~V~S, do you think we are seeing her mafia game here?
this is a somewhat interesting Day 0 exchange between Bass and Gamer Guy/G-Man. Bass engages him with a couple of softball questions that leave GG/G-Man total freedom to answer however he likes without much risk of negative repercussions. and the second Bass post in the first quote set could be seen as pretty chummy. Again, this is a Day 0/1 caliber accusation which should not be seen as especially damning on Day 9. but i'll add it to the pile and see if a trend develops.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epignosis wrote:Bass_the_Clever wrote:Epi how do you feel about Cobalt and MM?
I don't.
So you don't have a read on either one?
Golden wrote:I also don't know what to make of the alignment of the new and improved 'posting bass' but I like it.
Early Day 1 suspicion of Cobalt
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I figured I would try harder this game because I was disappointed in my game play in Bible mafia.
the mark of a townie on Day 1 is someone who is interested in getting to the bottom of any question. and i think that despite the minor points i mentioned before (and indeed, one of them might actually support this notion), that Bass was for at least a stretch checking the right boxes. i highlight all of the above posts together because i think they illustrate a positive trend: Bass had some misgivings about Cobalt and before he shared them (in the linked post), he asked for Epi's take. Epi seems to have a way of providing colorful responses to questions, so i like it a little that Bass went to him specifically. this sequence at looks like an authentic townie mindset at work. i also highlighted Golden's comment about Bass's effort level -- i think it's important that this was acknowledged by another player reputed for high-effort play early on. it represents a behavioral change, and one that i don't think should be viewed as a negative by default. Bass provided a reason for his higher effort level (the last quoted post), which i cannot comment on because i neither played in nor spectated Biblical mafia. anyone else ought to talk about that: do you believe Bass at face value when he cites this reason for playing harder?
however, we must acknowledge that there are two mafia teams in this game, and members of both were likely doing at least
some genuine mafia-hunting. i think they'll still have a distinct smell in this thread apart from the townies and independents, but it might be less distinct that it usually would be in a typical one mafia team game. moreover, while Bass's posts have a decent look to them, there still aren't terribly many of them.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry everyone for not voting I got super drunk yesterday and forgot. I would have voted Cobalt he never addressed any of the points he made he commented on one thing I said and I think he was wrong about what he commented on, but I will have to go back and look to make sure.
Bass missed the Day 1 vote and provided the above explanation. it's a comment about matters external to the game, which i by personal policy tend to just not discuss when i am analyzing a player. the absence of a vote isn't ideal, particularly in what was a close final tally (7 for S~V~S 1.0, 6 for LC, and 5 for Cobalt). but i won't be bothered by it much unless it becomes a trend.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sloonei wrote:Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sorry everyone for not voting I got super drunk yesterday and forgot. I would have voted Cobalt he never addressed any of the points he made he commented on one thing I said and I think he was wrong about what he commented on, but I will have to go back and look to make sure.
Who would you say are the next scummiest players ever after Cobalt?
I just caught up, but when I was reading I kept getting this bad vibe from LC I want to go over all his post like I did with Cobalt and get a better read on him.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Turnip Head wrote:Golden's vote switch looks legit to me. His vote was useless on Hedgeowl, I was seeing if he would end up changing it.
I think the Epignosis kill was designed to make us keep looking at LC and Cobalt today. I don't have too many suspects at this point but my gut is telling me to look at Nutella more. Hedgeowl is still on my radar for general blendiness. I also thought Blooper's vote was... interesting.
Sig seems okay to me but I want to look more into the interactions surrounding him.
Here you say that the kill could be designed to make us keep looking at LC and Cobalt, but is it out of the question for the mafia to do it and play the wifom card?
it might be important that people asserted the Epignosis 1.0 night kill was a "frame" to get people looking at Long Con. this turned out false, because LC was indeed mafia. so if Bass was a member of LC's mafia team, then these posts seem somewhat incompatible. he'd have known then that Epi was killed at least in part to protect LC from his fiercest accuser and that it wasn't a frame job. Bass's first expressions of suspicion of LC came at the start of Day 2 in these two posts -- entering a phase in which LC was sure to face a lot of heat (and it seemed like that's what happened in my read-through). Bass didn't promote the theory of a frame job, he placed the crosshairs squarely on LC and kept them there even when given the opportunity (Turnip's assertion that it might have been a frame). this could be seen as well placed distancing, but it should be acknowledged that LC was going to be heavily suspected on Day 2 either way. Bass lent a little early support to that heat on him.
my point here is that this is a decent look for Bass with regards to his not being aligned with LC.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Turnip Head wrote:Who are your suspects today Bass?
My top suspect is still cobalt. When I was doing my six page catch up I got a bad vibe from LC when he switched his vote after saying he wasnt going to be around. Today LC is starting to read more normal to me, so I have him in a gray area. The problem i'm having is trying to remember what mafia LC looks like. I know he was Indy in RR but I think the only game I have seen him be bad in was my first mafia game ever Supernatural Mafia on Rev. I got a slight ping from DF when he made the comment about me not saying anything because I think this is the most I have ever posted in a game this early. I felt like he is skipping over stuff and I tend to think baddies skim and skip stuff because they arent really worried about catching any mafia.
There are a lot of people who I would like to hear more from when they get caught up.
he drops back to the fence on LC here, so that's not great. at least he provides a mindset that we can either take or leave as valid context for that move. i am by default tenuous about people labeling any mafia player as "in a gray area" because that's the coziest place a mafioso can ever put his team mate. i'd prefer less waffling. it actually seems like a number of players waffled to some degree with their reads of LC, and he was a matter of some controversy at this point. i believe Sloonei was still in his defensive camp at this point and he turned out genuinely wrong (though he did turn on him later). minor point probably.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:I need to vote now because I wont be back till after the deadline.
Voting Cobalt.
Bass was the last player of 9 to vote for Cobalt on Day 2. it's underwhelming that he was essentially a meaningless tag-along vote at the end, but at least his vote is consistent with his stated suspicions of Cobalt through Days 1 and 2. i am not inclined to see that as a favorable point anyway because i feel Cobalt was a
very easy target all game long. his behavior was abrasive and i am quite sure some mafia players used that against him.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Hey everyone I have internet issues and dont know if its going to be fix tonight or in the morning so im going to go ahead and vote for myself.
Bass had a short Day 3. he managed to make an appearance to place a vote though, and he wasted it on himself. so to this point Bass is 0 for 3 with regards to voting in any way that makes him look more credible.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Sloonei wrote:Bass_the_Clever wrote:If anyone has anything to ask me pleasse do I will be around most of the day.
how do you respond to the assertion others have made that all the reads you've expressed have just been the thread's popular opinion?
I can't help thats who I think is bad. I understand why it could look bad but I am trying to voice my opinions more this game. Would it be better if I suspected someone who people thought was civ and said "oh it's just a gut feeling." I have been trying to use thread evidence.
Sloonei's question here was an important one. had Bass really just been riding the coattails of the more vocal players, then that obviously would have been a pretty bad look. this was Bass's opportunity to answer to that criticism, and our reception of his answer is key to how we should perceive his play over the first half of this game in my opinion. the last sentence is what his post history must be measured against: he claims he was trying to express sincere suspicions through his own research of thread evidence. does that bear out in his posts?
a little bit. early in the game he did do at least some digging, especially with Cobalt. so i am willing to believe he
entered the game with this mindset. unfortunately it didn't really last at all, because after Day 2 he seemed to fall off the face of the Earth. i know on Day 3 he said he had Internet problems, but honestly it wasn't just that he posted less -- it's that his posts were a lot thinner. so i'd ask you Bass: why did you let your foot off the gas after a decently fast start?
i want to believe him here because of his earliest content. i'd be more comfortable if he'd sustained it better.
Bass answers to accusations by fingersplints
splints gave Bass a little grief about his Day 0 interaction with Epi 1.0 about LC (the same thing i mentioned to start this ISO). i don't think splints' accusation was a scathing one, and it shouldn't have been hard for Bass to come up with an answer to it that inspires confidence. i'm not sure he did. his language here looks like that of a person reeling against unwanted pressure. that's a bad thing. Bass generally seems like the kind of player who doesn't like to take hard stances, because in my limited experience playing with him he hasn't done much of it (granted he was mafia in economics). i would have preferred a stronger stance by Bass about LC than this. LC was one of the most-discussed players in the game and had more than enough content to be given a distinct read. this isn't good enough, particularly given it came on the day phase in which LC was eventually lynched. this doesn't necessarily even have to tie him to LC's team -- it's just suspicious in general. it's too timid to be easily believed.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Also I have never hosted a game but it seems like when people need replaced the people who are mafia get replaced first. I could be wrong but thats how it seems to me.
NOTE: i only just now came to remember that Bass supposedly survived a night kill attempt by Team Wildhorn. obviously that means good things with regards to his being aligned with someone else. unfortunately all of the reasons for suspicion against him are quite general and could apply to any non-town alignment as far as i'm concerned.
Bass_the_Clever wrote:Well I need to vote and I voting nutella I feel like she is the one blending in while trying to call me out to take heat off herself.
another inconsequential vote which had no effect on the outcome.
there's not much else in his post history. more suspicion of Cobalt and nutella without much further explanation. he started the game fast and has been extremely slow ever since. i don't know what changed.
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yeah he's probably a valid lynch. i'd like to think a mafia player would be a bit less
lazy about his play over the course of numerous day phases though, if only for the sake of helping his team. i mean no offense Bass. i'm just making a judgment of your recent content.
I know my alignment and I've made that clear. Frankly, as no-u'y as it might sound, I'm actually slightly concerned, as the Bass vote grows, that my name is being thrown around again as an "alternative" in the last hours for some of the most tenuous reasons I've ever seen. It makes me both want to look more closely at those suspecting me no matter what I say, and it makes me think, "Oh hey, voting Bass IS the good choice!" despite a small concern of mine that this lynch looks so easy.
I will be voting for you now.
