I'm so sorry I missed you *yet again* We are eternally destined to be awesome together but never allowed to be at the same bat station at the same bat time.Black Rock wrote:Once, every 3 months LC goes to work, comes home, and then goes to the MTG pre-release. Giving me the whole night all by myself with the computer. What happens? Every one goes to bed.
I guess I could read Golden or watch some TV.
Linki: Dom's still here... I could read him.
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
but doesn't his role claim - that he was a civ and knew he wouldn't die - influence point one differently like at all? because as a civ who won't die - he had all the time in the world didn't he?Golden wrote:Two thingsBlack Rock wrote:Black Rock wrote:Golden, why do you feel so strongly about JJJ?
1) his emotive response scans with my experience of civ jay who doesn't feel he has proper time to defend himself. Without the time and ability to defend himself as he would like, he gets frustrated at the suspicion. I haven't seen baddie jay much at all, but I remember the mafia champs final he seemed to handle suspicion much more calmly.
2) I still don't see why he would have moved the lynch away from llama yesterday, if bad. He drew attention to himself while leading the lynch by making a case on boomslang, when he could have been less loud and stuck with an existing suspicion with llama. Sure, jay survived, but still...
3) perhaps I don't understand the case on jay, but I haven't seen anything particularly compelling about the case on him.
I could well be wrong, if so mea culpa. I just don't think I am.
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
Which ones?Golden wrote:Also, I'd still vote lorab. People called her lynch wagon as though jay was getting saved but I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the late jay voters were saving lorab.
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
Please. Please. Please. Do NOT put any stock in the "shot at bea" thing. For any game related reason, I do not think Dom was being nafarious and he was totally in line with his role as a mod, as being emotionally sensitive, and being my friend.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:That's a bad word choice too because FZ didn't do that either. I've made that more than clear. You seem to be consciously manipulating the course of events to fit your suspicion.Dom wrote:Start a bandwagon was not good word choice.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I didn't say that. FZ didn't do that. This is irrelevant.Dom wrote:So you'd actively start a bandwagon against someone you read as civ as a civ?
I don't buy it.
Actively campaign is better.
Because DH made a terrible, crap, worthless case and some people actually accepted the points as good. It's mind-boggling. FZ is a strong town read, and I will always defend strong town reads when they're being suspected for stupid reasons. I think DH is plain bad for it, there's no way he has paid so little attention. I'm also starting to think I gave you too much benefit of the doubt for the "shot at bea" thing, because your recent conduct is awful.Dom wrote:Why are you defending FZ?
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
MacDougall wrote:Really? That's ... not cool considering I didn't have that luxury in the very same game. But thanks for that.HamburgerBoy wrote:In A World Reborn, timmer had his vote on SVS for only a couple minutes, but it allowed MM to nightkill him.
You suck LC.
Sometimes hosts fuck it up. I know him as a host. He's amazing. I'm positive it was accidental. Or he hates you. One of the two FO SHO! 
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
Bitch. You suck.Tranq wrote:I've spent pretty much all of my free time playing The Binding of Isaac recently. Sorry. Rather than wasting a vote, i've decided to give my vote to Ricochet until i'm able to make informed decisions. Ricochet, my vote is yours. Who should i vote for?
Oh and don't Arya me
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
When I'm forced to close weekend shifts that end at 430 am. Yea. I can't be assed to computer and do things nice and usually most people are in bed while I play catsup to the 10 pages i missed.Ricochet wrote:11 out of the last 19 posts are bea's. Do you often catch up in this manner?
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
Epignosis wrote:Bitch, my identity is my identity theft protection!
No sir. I just don't think he is bad.Matt wrote:Llama, are you and 3J in cahoots?
I've actually been feeling better about 3J but your last two posts defending him, somethin' feels off.
Like, it sounds as if 3J actually got a PM from the hosts telling him "yes you can roleclaim" and that you know about it, as opposed to 3J just seeing Turnip's post quoting the front page.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
Your role was so completely different than Metalmarsh's role. The comparison you are trying to make here is the only mistake involved.MacDougall wrote:Really? That's ... not cool considering I didn't have that luxury in the very same game. But thanks for that.HamburgerBoy wrote:In A World Reborn, timmer had his vote on SVS for only a couple minutes, but it allowed MM to nightkill him.
You suck LC.
I'm an awful host, I make mistakes all the time... but that was not one of them. Talking Heads? I don't remember.bea wrote:MacDougall wrote:Really? That's ... not cool considering I didn't have that luxury in the very same game. But thanks for that.HamburgerBoy wrote:In A World Reborn, timmer had his vote on SVS for only a couple minutes, but it allowed MM to nightkill him.
You suck LC.
Remember TH mafia?? Remember my shake fist LLLLCCCCCCC posts? Yea.
Day 3.5thellama73 wrote:Switching my vote to Lorab because I'm more familiar with the case on her than with Boomslang and because Epi's instincts are usually good.
thellama73 wrote:This is a good observation. I'll be sure to give FZ the old eyeball before I vote.DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.
1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV
2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"
What a joke that is.
thellama73 wrote:This post from DH pings me a bit. For context, it was posted right after JJ was allowed to role claim and did so. To me it reads like DH had built his case counting on the fact that JJ wouldn't be able to be too specific about his role, and the hosts ruling threw a monkey wrench in his plans. Almost this exact thing has has happened to me before when I was bad: an unexpected host decision exposing the flimsy nature of my case. It's a small thing, but it caught my eye.DharmaHelper wrote:Are you fucking kidding me right now.
So throughout four days of lynching, none of the vote paths (until DH right now) have stuck with you in any way.thellama73 wrote:Okay, I read through Eloh/FZ's posts as promised and didn't see anything there to make me want to vote for her. I will be gone most of the day, so I'm going to place my vote on DH. I am getting bad vibes from him.
Funny how that works, huh?Ricochet wrote: So throughout four days of lynching, none of the vote paths (until DH right now) have stuck with you in any way.
Epignosis wrote:If llama is good, it means we exist in a universe in which multitasking llama can call out the first of two mafia while simultaneously calling out two civilians.
I don't want to live in that universe.
Tranq wrote:I've spent pretty much all of my free time playing The Binding of Isaac recently. Sorry. Rather than wasting a vote, i've decided to give my vote to Ricochet until i'm able to make informed decisions. Ricochet, my vote is yours. Who should i vote for?
Oh and don't Arya me
And this:DharmaHelper wrote:FZ. wrote:I will barely be here this day, so I really hope this doesn't go JJJ's way. I do agree that if he is bad, and knew he won't be lynched, that there are scum in his voters.
DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.
1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV
2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"
What a joke that is.
Does this post actually say anything other than "Fuck you DH for suspecting me"FZ. wrote:I'm here. I just started reading, but saw that a lot of people talked about me and two posts that seriously pissed me off.
This:
And this:DharmaHelper wrote:FZ. wrote:I will barely be here this day, so I really hope this doesn't go JJJ's way. I do agree that if he is bad, and knew he won't be lynched, that there are scum in his voters.DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.
1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV
2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"
What a joke that is.
DH, you must be the worst baddie to ever walk this planet. Why would I, as an alleged baddi, who went after Lorab for her reply to BR and told her that her reaction was suspicious as hell, would then go and say she sounded genuine, before voting for her? Why not just leave my suspicion there, which a lot of people supported by the way, and assuming I know she's civ, (which even if I was bad I couldn't, if there are 2 teams and not 1, that is) and make myself look much better in my defense of JJJ? How stupid do you think I am to do what you suggest I did, as a baddie?
If you do that as a baddie, then you need to get your act straight. I don't. I was contemplating my actions out loud. I was suspicious of Lorab, but was also a little afraid to vote for her, because her last defense felt somewhat genuine. Even so, out of the two top vote getters, I felt JJJ was the more sure civvie.
Seriously, there are reasons to suspect people, and there are reasons to just end up looking like a real idiot. Which to me, you do at the moment (no offence). I thought you were bad before. I need to decide whether to go back to that thought or not. Now, I'll go back and look at who agreed with you, and who among you feel the most suspicious for that.
I should have just quoted this instead of posting my own reply, which was a lot more snarkier due to me being pissed. But you might be right about it just being him as a baddie, because I said so before, his suspicions, when building a case, I think against BR, were of the same nature.JaggedJimmyJay wrote:In which DH pretends civilian-motivated preferential votes don't exist. "Two people are likely to be lynched. Any other vote would be pointless. I am going to vote for the bigger suspect of the two". This is not outlandish at all and there's no way you really believe it is.DharmaHelper wrote:1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV
In which DH pretends to be incapable of grasping the an extremely basic concept within FZ's mindset. "If JJJ is mafia and his lynch was prevented by his team, then there was no immediate reason for his team mates to rush collectively to his rescue in the tally instead of some hiding on his own wagon in some mixture or another".DharmaHelper wrote:2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"
Since I know with 100% certainty that I am not on any mafia team with FZ, I can see her perspective pretty easily. I think DH can too. Instead of truly showing any interest in engaging FZ on her thought process, he just grabs a few points and shits all over them for their surface appearance. This is textbook mafia behavior in my experience (literally, I've done it many times). A failure to think critically and instead just scream about the most obvious shit is not at all civilian and DH looks so much worse than FZ as a result.
None of you may care about my perspective now, but you should after you kill me.
I laughed when you didn't make any valid points but presented the invalid ones as loudly as you did.DharmaHelper wrote:What a joke that is.
I did read your post FZ.FZ. wrote:I'm here. I just started reading, but saw that a lot of people talked about me and two posts that seriously pissed me off.
This:
And this:DharmaHelper wrote:FZ. wrote:I will barely be here this day, so I really hope this doesn't go JJJ's way. I do agree that if he is bad, and knew he won't be lynched, that there are scum in his voters.DharmaHelper wrote:If you guys don't feel like JJJ has tipped his hand (which I do, for the record) at the very least vote for his teammate FZ. who has made it perfectly crystal clear she is bad as fuck.
1. What civ minded person would participate in the lynching of someone they FULLY ADMIT THEY BELIEVE TO BE A GENUINE CIV
2. What civ minded person says "Sure JJJ *could* be bad, and if he flips bad, don't look at the people that saved him, look at the people that voted to lynch him"
What a joke that is.
DH, you must be the worst baddie to ever walk this planet. Why would I, as an alleged baddi, who went after Lorab for her reply to BR and told her that her reaction was suspicious as hell, would then go and say she sounded genuine, before voting for her? Why not just leave my suspicion there, which a lot of people supported by the way, and assuming I know she's civ, (which even if I was bad I couldn't, if there are 2 teams and not 1, that is) and make myself look much better in my defense of JJJ? How stupid do you think I am to do what you suggest I did, as a baddie?
If you do that as a baddie, then you need to get your act straight. I don't. I was contemplating my actions out loud. I was suspicious of Lorab, but was also a little afraid to vote for her, because her last defense felt somewhat genuine. Even so, out of the two top vote getters, I felt JJJ was the more sure civvie.
Seriously, there are reasons to suspect people, and there are reasons to just end up looking like a real idiot. Which to me, you do at the moment (no offence). I thought you were bad before. I need to decide whether to go back to that thought or not. Now, I'll go back and look at who agreed with you, and who among you feel the most suspicious for that.
To me, the voters on 3J are worse than 3J himself, but I've never seen mafia 3J at it (I'd maybe leave Long Con out of this assessment, given he laid out a substantial argument against 3J). Stacking on a guy when a high number of people are notorious for showing up at the deadline, not reading, seeing which two parties are in the lead, voting, and then fucking off somewhere else is just setting him up to be lynched with little thought.FZ. wrote:I'm a little bothered by how the votes look at the moment. I have a lot of catching up to do, but do those not voting for JJJ think he's not bad? Epi, BR, what do you think about JJJ?
The other votes are so spread because individuals have elected to vote in various places instead of the same two or three.FZ. wrote:Why are the other votes so spread?
I did address your suspicion. I'll quote myself:DharmaHelper wrote:@FZ Instead of pissing down my back why don't you actually address my suspicion?
1. Why did you actively participate in the lynching of someone you had come around to believing to be genuine? Why not place your vote on a third party that you suspected?
2. Why did you immediately point the finger at JJJ voters rather than LoRab voters? What do you think of the LoRab train in general? Do you think Tranq's vote or Motel Room's vote look civ motivated?
Yellow and Red: That's not answering my questions at all. That's restating what you've already said. Why did you completely ignore the Tranq/Motel Room aspects from 2?FZ. wrote:I did address your suspicion. I'll quote myself:DharmaHelper wrote:@FZ Instead of pissing down my back why don't you actually address my suspicion?
1. Why did you actively participate in the lynching of someone you had come around to believing to be genuine? Why not place your vote on a third party that you suspected?
2. Why did you immediately point the finger at JJJ voters rather than LoRab voters? What do you think of the LoRab train in general? Do you think Tranq's vote or Motel Room's vote look civ motivated?
"I was contemplating my actions out loud. I was suspicious of Lorab, but was also a little afraid to vote for her, because her last defense felt somewhat genuine. Even so, out of the two top vote getters, I felt JJJ was the more sure civvie."
1. I didn't come around to believing she was genuine, I said that to be honest, her last reply felt more genuine. You know how many times people made me change their mind on them and go back on my suspicions only to find out I was right in the first place? At that stage, yes, I was hesitant, but I saw no point in voting somewhere else. I wanted to save JJJ. I think I was clear on that. I even asked people to change to Sorsha and not Lorab, just for that hesitation, but they didn't follow, so I chose to support the person I believed was the more clear civ in my eyes.
2. I don't believe JJJ is bad, but if I'm wrong, and yes, I can be wrong, then his team obviously knew he was not going to die. Why not make themselves look better when he is lynched next time, by making it look like they voted for him before?
linki: Thanks Epi. Especially for stating the obvious. It's something I often miss.
I'm done. I answered what I thought I could answer. I don't know what you want from me.DharmaHelper wrote:Yellow and Red: That's not answering my questions at all. That's restating what you've already said. Why did you completely ignore the Tranq/Motel Room aspects from 2?FZ. wrote:I did address your suspicion. I'll quote myself:DharmaHelper wrote:@FZ Instead of pissing down my back why don't you actually address my suspicion?
1. Why did you actively participate in the lynching of someone you had come around to believing to be genuine? Why not place your vote on a third party that you suspected?
2. Why did you immediately point the finger at JJJ voters rather than LoRab voters? What do you think of the LoRab train in general? Do you think Tranq's vote or Motel Room's vote look civ motivated?
"I was contemplating my actions out loud. I was suspicious of Lorab, but was also a little afraid to vote for her, because her last defense felt somewhat genuine. Even so, out of the two top vote getters, I felt JJJ was the more sure civvie."
1. I didn't come around to believing she was genuine, I said that to be honest, her last reply felt more genuine. You know how many times people made me change their mind on them and go back on my suspicions only to find out I was right in the first place? At that stage, yes, I was hesitant, but I saw no point in voting somewhere else. I wanted to save JJJ. I think I was clear on that. I even asked people to change to Sorsha and not Lorab, just for that hesitation, but they didn't follow, so I chose to support the person I believed was the more clear civ in my eyes.
2. I don't believe JJJ is bad, but if I'm wrong, and yes, I can be wrong, then his team obviously knew he was not going to die. Why not make themselves look better when he is lynched next time, by making it look like they voted for him before?
linki: Thanks Epi. Especially for stating the obvious. It's something I often miss.
Answer the questions, don't ask me more questions.
What do you mean? I'm sorry, I don't get your questionDharmaHelper wrote:Their votes for LoRab.
FZ. wrote:What do you mean? I'm sorry, I don't get your questionDharmaHelper wrote:Their votes for LoRab.
2. Why did you immediately point the finger at JJJ voters rather than LoRab voters? What do you think of the LoRab train in general? Do you think Tranq's vote or Motel Room's vote look civ motivated?
Oh, sorry, I missed that question. I don't know. I didn't say there aren't baddies on Lorab. No matter her alignment, baddies could be on her train. The sentence about looking for baddies on JJJ's train did not come on the expense of the Lorab voters, which was allegedly the more obvious train to look at, if JJJ is bad.DharmaHelper wrote:FZ. wrote:What do you mean? I'm sorry, I don't get your questionDharmaHelper wrote:Their votes for LoRab.2. Why did you immediately point the finger at JJJ voters rather than LoRab voters? What do you think of the LoRab train in general? Do you think Tranq's vote or Motel Room's vote look civ motivated?
Hang him!Asks the Host about ties after JJJ non-lynch.Drac wrote:Should probably also mention that if I had to make a rainbow list, Jay would be yellowish and llama would be orange. Again, gut, but this is why I'm willing to vote this way.
, but from what I have read so far, out of those who have votes, I think I'm most comfortable voting for MM. I think I would also feel comfortable voting for Drac, but he has no votes, for Sorsha or Dom. Either have votes at the moment. So wait, you're ok with leaving a bad Tranq alive just because he's being inactive? If he lurks and sends in his kills, he's still hurting the civ cause. It might be cowardice, but if it works, it's still a loss for the civs.FZ. wrote: Lastly, tranque is just an easy lynch. I don't tend to give those kind of players the time of day. This is my game philosophy:
If a player is bad, but non existent in the game, and the baddies win the game because of that player, they can take that win and shove it. I tend to think that baddies try harder than civvies because they know other people depend on them. How hard is it, to come up with a stupid reason to vote for someone, and look better than just driving by and voting? And if you're really doing that as a baddie, you're just a coward.
Careful, Golden might pick on you.FZ. wrote:
Lastly, tranque is just an easy lynch. I don't tend to give those kind of players the time of day. This is my game philosophy:
If a player is bad, but non existent in the game, and the baddies win the game because of that player, they can take that win and shove it. I tend to think that baddies try harder than civvies because they know other people depend on them. How hard is it, to come up with a stupid reason to vote for someone, and look better than just driving by and voting? And if you're really doing that as a baddie, you're just a coward.
I realize it's possible, and again, if I knew he was bad, I wouldn't hesitate lynching him, or if he was up against a person I felt was a civ. But, when there are other players who are acting scummy and can post a threat to the town more heavily, I'd rather save him and keep him the last baddie standing. After that, the baddies can shove their win. If they don't understand their win is worthless, I pitty themRicochet wrote:Careful, Golden might pick on you.FZ. wrote:
Lastly, tranque is just an easy lynch. I don't tend to give those kind of players the time of day. This is my game philosophy:
If a player is bad, but non existent in the game, and the baddies win the game because of that player, they can take that win and shove it. I tend to think that baddies try harder than civvies because they know other people depend on them. How hard is it, to come up with a stupid reason to vote for someone, and look better than just driving by and voting? And if you're really doing that as a baddie, you're just a coward.
You obviously didn't witness our dread in Syndicate Mafia, a Mafia team of 7 in which only 4 players did anything. One of the other three could have been excused, because she was in the midst of finishing hosting a game, but the other two...nada. And one of them even asked to be mafia. So some baddie slackers, imho, can try just as little as a civvie ones.
As for your motto to let them have it "up theirs", if baddies win it this way, I'm sorry, I myself just can't accept to lose like that.
Why do you feel you have a better control over telling which other suspects are truly bad, over Tranq doing nothing remotely civilian-like, so far?FZ. wrote:
I realize it's possible, and again, if I knew he was bad, I wouldn't hesitate lynching him, or if he was up against a person I felt was a civ. But, when there are other players who are acting scummy and can post a threat to the town more heavily, I'd rather save him and keep him the last baddie standing. After that, the baddies can shove their win. If they don't understand their win is worthless, I pitty them.
Your avatar keeps making me think The Goblin King and Severus Snape are duking it out right now in the hereafter.Sorsha wrote:I voted for LoRab yesterday and was ambivalent about jjj getting lynched. I voted LoRab today and am leaning more towards not wanting jjj lynched because his posts today seem to be genuine/civ. Still catching up in bits and pieces here.
