Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

#3251

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.
Scandalous!
Show me your rainbow, marmot.
I can't rainbow on my phone tbh.
You owe me a raincheck.

How about a raindance?

#3252

Matt wrote:I second Enrique's Mr Freeze idea. Please block 2 of the following... Enrique, Turnip, DH, MP, sig, sabie, or dat Zeebs.

matt it's still so funny you list th in this when he's spent THE WHOLE GAME protecting you from yourself

His post where he's like "yeah we imploded our whole team to save you because we're bad

" about sums up my feelings on this.

linki- Golden it's not throwing dirt. You were the first person ever to name them as independents. We did agree, and I stand by it, it doesn't matter.

linki2- oh my god you keep talking about sides why are you doing this i have no interest in this shit

#3253

a2thezebra wrote:I've been pro-town as well but me not wanting to go after a newcomer (which Mac understandably thinks is unusual for me, though it isn't) does look purdy bad after their flip.

We can be pro-town buddies with terrible-looking d2 votes together then.

#3254

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Golden, or anyone else who's around, do you want to play the rainbow game with me? Maybe that'll help me update some opinions on folks.

And by "rainbow game", I mean, let's just simultaneously show each other our rainbow lists. :P

But I'd rather play the GTH game. That's a ton of fun.
Scandalous!
Show me your rainbow, marmot.
I can't rainbow on my phone tbh.
You owe me a raincheck.
How about a raindance?

#3255

You say it doesn't matter and that you don't-even-care Enrique and at other times you say shit like this:

Enrique wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
Sorsha wrote:Isn't it a Syndicate Mafia tradition to lynch the new player first? Maybe that's why there was a no lynch yesterday

I had been thinking of giving Matt the botd in his lynch Nero/Enrique crusade anyway (and I don't think Matt is bad, I think he's Indy based on a couple of posts he's made today) so I'll be voting for Nero today's since he's come up with both Matt and Enrique.

I hope you guys are right!
What do you mean you hope "you guys" are right? Why are you unconcerned if you yourself are correct? Why pawn off the accountability?
So many shady votes recently.
Over half of the player roster is made of baddies from different factions. Isn't that crazy?

#3256

I have a prediction:

I will receive the most votes d3. Then zebra will receive the most votes d4. Then the town will mourn because both phases will have been wasting our time.

If you all are truly open-minded, I think you'll lynch MM tomorrow instead.

#3257

Because it reinforced your point about tons of people acting shady.

#3258

MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I've been pro-town as well but me not wanting to go after a newcomer (which Mac understandably thinks is unusual for me, though it isn't) does look purdy bad after their flip.
We can be pro-town buddies with terrible-looking d2 votes together then.

I think our votes look fine actually, and I'm still going to be voting for sig tomorrow if no one better comes up. Mac's teammate connection of me and Nero had little to do with my vote and more to do with how waffly we were with each other.

#3259

Enrique wrote:Because it reinforced your point about tons of people acting shady.

That doesn't matter. You asked "isn't that crazy" and yes, it is crazy. Too crazy to be true.

#3260

MovingPictures07 wrote:I have a prediction:

I will receive the most votes d3. Then zebra will receive the most votes d4. Then the town will mourn because both phases will have been wasting our time.

If you all are truly open-minded, I think you'll lynch MM tomorrow instead.

What about sig?

#3261

a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
a2thezebra wrote:I've been pro-town as well but me not wanting to go after a newcomer (which Mac understandably thinks is unusual for me, though it isn't) does look purdy bad after their flip.
We can be pro-town buddies with terrible-looking d2 votes together then.
I think our votes look fine actually, and I'm still going to be voting for sig tomorrow if no one better comes up. Mac's teammate connection of me and Nero had little to do with my vote and more to do with how waffly we were with each other.

That's a good point.

In fact, if sig was Nero's teammate, that would make a lot of his comments yesterday sensible.

#3262

Okay Zebra I'm sorry I bothered you with my inconsequential perspective.

#3263

a2thezebra wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:I have a prediction:

I will receive the most votes d3. Then zebra will receive the most votes d4. Then the town will mourn because both phases will have been wasting our time.

If you all are truly open-minded, I think you'll lynch MM tomorrow instead.
What about sig?

He'll somehow get away until d6, then he'll die.

#3264

Enrique wrote:linki2- oh my god you keep talking about sides why are you doing this i have no interest in this shit

I do. I think it is important. What label would you give someone who can win with either side? I want you to answer the question.

#3265

Or you don't think that the civs and the mafia are sides?

#3266

Well, better get back to work. See you all whenever.

#3267

Golden I know for a fact I don't have the same win conditions as you and I refuse to be lumped together and have my own needs disregarded just because we have some common goals.

#3268

Golden what do you make of the fact that either mafia can potentially win with Wayne Manor.

#3269

Enrique wrote:Golden I know for a fact I don't have the same win conditions as you and I refuse to be lumped together and have my own needs disregarded just because we have some common goals.

Enrique, just answer the question. What label would you give someone who can win with either side. I'm not interested in your 'needs' right now, just answer the question.

#3270

DharmaHelper wrote:Golden what do you make of the fact that either mafia can potentially win with Wayne Manor.

Wayne Manor are town-leaning independents.

#3271

Enrique wrote:
Matt wrote:I second Enrique's Mr Freeze idea. Please block 2 of the following... Enrique, Turnip, DH, MP, sig, sabie, or dat Zeebs.
matt it's still so funny you list th in this when he's spent THE WHOLE GAME protecting you from yourself

His post where he's like "yeah we imploded our whole team to save you because we're bad " about sums up my feelings on this.

linki- Golden it's not throwing dirt. You were the first person ever to name them as independents. We did agree, and I stand by it, it doesn't matter.

linki2- oh my god you keep talking about sides why are you doing this i have no interest in this shit

Here's my thinking.

You truly believed I was Jokerized and believed that no matter how I flipped, would come up with a targeting role, which you believed would get Nero lynched after my death.

Therefore, instead of going through all that and having to defend from people's accusations of "well Enrique, it was strange that you didn't want to lynch Nero", you preemptively bus the shit out of him, and then target paint me to straight death in the process.

This all hinges on you believing I was Jokerized and thinking I would flip with some sort of targeting role, which is kind of hilarious btw, but you'll see why at endgame.

Again, I could be wrong, but those are my thoughts currently.

#3272

I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.

#3273

un-understandable. The un made my tired brain confused

#3274

Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.

No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?

#3275

It would be derstandable.

#3276

Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.

Lol.

Please don't kill me tonight

#3277

Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?

A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point

#3278

Matt wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
Lol.

Please don't kill me tonight

Dude honestly I'm super frustrated with you. how in fucks sake can this be going over your head? jesus christ matt youre throwing the game and i cant fucking understand why

#3279

Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?
A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point

OK, so Wayne Manor must be baddies by your definition, since they can also win with the mafia and win with the GCPD. Same win con, must have the same label.

#3280

what the fuck do you want seriously dude

#3281

Enrique wrote:
Matt wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
Lol.

Please don't kill me tonight
Dude honestly I'm super frustrated with you. how in fucks sake can this be going over your head? jesus christ matt youre throwing the game and i cant fucking understand why

It's Night 2, how am I throwing the game?

Also, despite the congrats on nabbing Nero, I don't think anyone is taking my suss of you seriously (typical), so I wouldn't worry about it so much.

#3282

Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?
A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point
OK, so Wayne Manor must be baddies by your definition, since they can also win with the mafia and win with the GCPD. Same win con, must have the same label.

Hey guys I would like to join this conversation by introducing y'all to an innovative and never before seen alignment descriptor that might help you stop ripping each other's throats out: Neutral. As in, not necessarily anybody's enemy but not necessarily out for themselves. Like Switzerland. I think it's a nice word

#3283

Bullzeye wrote:
Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?
A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point
OK, so Wayne Manor must be baddies by your definition, since they can also win with the mafia and win with the GCPD. Same win con, must have the same label.
Hey guys I would like to join this conversation by introducing y'all to an innovative and never before seen alignment descriptor that might help you stop ripping each other's throats out: Neutral. As in, not necessarily anybody's enemy but not necessarily out for themselves. Like Switzerland. I think it's a nice word

I think Marmot's heard of that word before.

#3284

Matt wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Matt wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
Lol.

Please don't kill me tonight
Dude honestly I'm super frustrated with you. how in fucks sake can this be going over your head? jesus christ matt youre throwing the game and i cant fucking understand why
It's Night 2, how am I throwing the game?

Also, despite the congrats on nabbing Nero, I don't think anyone is taking my suss of you seriously (typical), so I wouldn't worry about it so much.

I don't see how you do suspect him after he just stuck his neck out for you. He painted a target on you, sure, but also on himself IMO.

#3285

Bullzeye wrote:
Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?
A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point
OK, so Wayne Manor must be baddies by your definition, since they can also win with the mafia and win with the GCPD. Same win con, must have the same label.
Hey guys I would like to join this conversation by introducing y'all to an innovative and never before seen alignment descriptor that might help you stop ripping each other's throats out: Neutral. As in, not necessarily anybody's enemy but not necessarily out for themselves. Like Switzerland. I think it's a nice word

Golden recognizes this. Enrique refuses to, and town's cause could be hurt because of it. It matters.

#3286

And if you think this is something new, I've been saying it since my fourth post:

a2thezebra wrote:I am bothered that Enrique wants to get the indys because of the implications of that desire.

#3287

why is it such a problem that i offhandedly refering to them as baddies? i am the one hurting the civvies?

#3288

Bullzeye wrote:
Matt wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Matt wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
Lol.

Please don't kill me tonight
Dude honestly I'm super frustrated with you. how in fucks sake can this be going over your head? jesus christ matt youre throwing the game and i cant fucking understand why
It's Night 2, how am I throwing the game?

Also, despite the congrats on nabbing Nero, I don't think anyone is taking my suss of you seriously (typical), so I wouldn't worry about it so much.
I don't see how you do suspect him after he just stuck his neck out for you. He painted a target on you, sure, but also on himself IMO.

It all hinges on Enrique truly believing I was Jokerized and him thinking I would flip with a targeting role. If he thought that, which he did, then he must've believed after my flip, peeps would be looking squarely at Nero as Joker, and when Nero flipped Mafia, at that point peeps going "say Enrique, why DIDN'T you want to lynch Nero the day you lead a lynch against Matt?"

But the way he did it was smart, preemptively bus your teamie so you never get looked at. Regardless, Enrique thought Nero was going down no matter what, so why not bus him at that point to save face yourself? What's hilarious, is that if I had been lynched, peeps would've seen without a doubt that I did not target the Joker, and Nero would've most likely been fine.

#3289

Enrique, the implication that you want to go after the indys - to the extent that you're trying to push the false idea that they are all anti-town simply for being indys - is that you want to get rid of them specifically because they are a threat to you. That implies that you're bad, because why else would you single them out as opposed to advocating the sensible and logical pro-town position of going after the actual baddies?

#3290

matt i very clearly gained nothing from this and i well couldve gotten lynched myself. i realized i was wrong and i owned up to it. i didnt fucking blow up my game to "throw you off"

#3291

Of course you're not going to get away with openly advocating to get rid of your primary opposition - town - for obvious reasons. So the next best thing is indys. Get rid of the independent competition with town's help and that paves the way for you to NK and mislynch-drive your way to victory.

#3292

a2thezebra wrote:Enrique, the implication that you want to go after the indys - to the extent that you're trying to push the false idea that they are all anti-town simply for being indys - is that you want to get rid of them specifically because they are a threat to you. That implies that you're bad, because why else would you single them out as opposed to advocating the sensible and logical pro-town position of going after the actual baddies?

zebra you dont believe ive ever done any of that so im not gonna bother. excuse me i just got a fucking baddie lynch and deviced a plan to get an "indie's" help to get his teammates? are you fucking serious? no you're not you're relying on the town being stupid just like you did in of Montreal

#3293

Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Golden wrote:
Enrique wrote:I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.
No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?
A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point
OK, so Wayne Manor must be baddies by your definition, since they can also win with the mafia and win with the GCPD. Same win con, must have the same label.

There is quantitative evidence that Wayne Manor is interested in a civilian victory. They have almost no chance of winning if the cops lose. The same cannot be said for most of the inmates. I like to think that the inmates who can win with the civs will try to do so, and I feel okay about you but you are way too interested in lecturing about this point.

#3294

Enrique wrote:matt i very clearly gained nothing from this and i well couldve gotten lynched myself. i realized i was wrong and i owned up to it. i didnt fucking blow up my game to "throw you off"

But we lynched a baddie, what do you mean you've gained nothing?

#3295

Right I don't believe that you've done any of that even though I've been suggesting it since the beginning of the game when I lacked the motive you're trying to pretend I have now. You bussed Nero. Your "excuse me i just got a fucking baddie lynch" proves it.

linki - Another one of my top suspects tries to dispel the idea that emphasis on the independents not being baddies by default is an important point in town's favor, big shocker.

#3296

Matt wrote:
Enrique wrote:matt i very clearly gained nothing from this and i well couldve gotten lynched myself. i realized i was wrong and i owned up to it. i didnt fucking blow up my game to "throw you off"
But we lynched a baddie, what do you mean you've gained nothing?

See, this guy gets it.

#3297

TH if you're civ and you actually don't understand the importance of the inmates not being any more fundamentally anti-town than Wayne Manor than you're going to be manipulated by mafia big time as the game goes on.

#3298

a2thezebra wrote:TH if you're civ and you actually don't understand the importance of the inmates not being any more fundamentally anti-town than Wayne Manor than you're going to be manipulated by mafia big time as the game goes on.

If you say so

#3299

I say so, and I mean it.

#3300

if i get lynched today y'all are honestly dumber than the civvies were back then in tree mafia.

i didnt get anything in the thread, matt. i couldve got you lynched and nothing wouldve happened but instead i ruined the whole fucking game for placing any faith in you. seriously you are a horrible civvie matt i dont even care at this point

linki- yup this is the zebra i hosted in of montreal.

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