The Syndicate

[VOTE: Pennywise] aubergine
As a whole, team. Don't make our work for nothing

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:31 pm [VOTE: Pennywise] aubergine
As a whole, team. Don't make our work for nothing

What do you think of the conclusions I have drawn?

Like the thing you need to understand about Marmot is that he never tries hard, no matter his alignment. It's useless to try to extract tryhard civ play from him. But sometimes, when he is a civ, he shows that he cares. He asks hard questions and he makes points that other people haven't notice. Civ Marmot isn't a civ leader, but he makes some tricky posts, some posts that make people unconfortable which is good because civs need to be knocked out of their confort zone.

Baddie Marmot doesn't make those tricky posts. He is harmless. His accusations hold no weight. It's not for the fluff you need to judge him, it's for the attempts to move the game somewhere, and when he is bad, those attempts are just not strong.

This game feels more like the later than the former. Now I have read Marmot as bad wrongly before, so I could still be wrong, but I've never once misread him when I read him as a civ. This game though, I'm not reading his as a civ at all.

Ok.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:26 pm Ok caught up finally

I'm gonna try that "why they are a civ" game, though I don't know if you guys are still doing that too?

WHY ARE THEY A CIV?

DDL: towniest town in town
INH: his reason for disappearing is genuine. Also I think the ones who have attacked him the most recently were Wolbre and Marmot and I suspect both.
Jay: I just made a big post about it
Kyle: early Kyle did jack shit, late Kyle has been seriously trying. This is meta consistent with all the civ Kyle games I've played with, and overall he's saying a lot of stuff that I agree with.
Mac: he's all over the place and changing accusations fast, and he is usually like that I think? He's been very agreeable with me in this game, which is not what I used to, but may be a matter of perspective since we fought badly last game.
Marmot: there was one phase, (forgot which one) where he made some very civ looking posts
nova: his points on Avito made sense and looked sincere, even if they were ultimately wrong. I hate his OMGUS on me on a personal level but it totally makes sense for a civ to act like that
Pennywise: eh... 5/9 is higher than 50%?
wolbre4: he's trying hard. I like that

DDL: still towniest town in town.
INH: not convincing
Jay: convincing
Kyle: convincing
Mac: a little convincing
Marmot: not convincing
nova: convincing
Pennywise: not convincing
wolbre: a little conv9incing

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:35 pm Like the thing you need to understand about Marmot is that he never tries hard, no matter his alignment. It's useless to try to extract tryhard civ play from him. But sometimes, when he is a civ, he shows that he cares. He asks hard questions and he makes points that other people haven't notice. Civ Marmot isn't a civ leader, but he makes some tricky posts, some posts that make people unconfortable which is good because civs need to be knocked out of their confort zone.

Baddie Marmot doesn't make those tricky posts. He is harmless. His accusations hold no weight. It's not for the fluff you need to judge him, it's for the attempts to move the game somewhere, and when he is bad, those attempts are just not strong.

This game feels more like the later than the former. Now I have read Marmot as bad wrongly before, so I could still be wrong, but I've never once misread him when I read him as a civ. This game though, I'm not reading his as a civ at all.

At face value, I agree. i don't think Marmot looks good in this game. However, it only matters if there is a team that can be assembled around him that makes sense. In my exercise, I found very little evidence of that.

I came up with three names and perhaps he could be the fourth, but I wouldn't not be at all comfortable proceeding with his lynch first -- unless you can show me a team.

Somehow I skipped LC

LC: his reaction to being mislynched was genuine looking. He is not super tryhard this game but it's consistent with his recent assessment in an other game that he doesn't feel good about his skill anymore.

a little convincing

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:09 pm nova-Pen - FIRE
Marm-Pen - HOT
Marm-nova - GREEN
INH-Pen - FIRE
INH-nova - HOT
INH-Marm - GREEN
DDL-INH - HOT
DDL-Marm - GREEN
DDL-nova - GREEN
DDL-Pen - GREEN

Individual counts:

novaselinenever: 1 Fire, 1 Hot, 2 Green
Marmot: 1 Hot, 3 Green
insertnamehere: 1 Fire, 2 Hot, 1 Green
Dragon D. Luffy: 1 Hot, 3 Green
Pennywise: 2 Fire, 1 Hot, 1 Green

Transitive teams:

Pennywise, INH, and nova all fit together well.

Penny > INH > Nova > DDL > Marmot
First 4 is your scum team

Ok I'll try to ISO Marmot and look for people's mentions of him.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
I'm most likely to entertain in order
Penny
Nova
INH

I think based on your analysis I can fully say Marmot is not scum, his interactions just aren't strong enough with anyone :/

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:45 pm JaggedJimmyJay
I'm most likely to entertain in order
Penny
Nova
INH

What do you think of Long Con?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:47 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:45 pm JaggedJimmyJay
I'm most likely to entertain in order
Penny
Nova
INH

What do you think of Long Con?

I think he's just an apathetic town, maybe koro

I think it's pretty obvious that he's lost a lot of gusto as evident in the whole "is dom scum teammates with you?" "Oh wait he's dead and I knew this and commented on it earlier" conversation earlier

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:51 pm I think it's pretty obvious that he's lost a lot of gusto as evident in the whole "is dom scum teammates with you?" "Oh wait he's dead and I knew this and commented on it earlier" conversation earlier

I can't help but worry he's doing that on purpose.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:26 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:23 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:16 pm @Marmot what do you make of Jay's activity rush last night that he made while on his irl deathbed cus of allergies? does bad Jay do all of that?

That's excellent intuition Kylemii. I no longer think Jay's a good place to start.

Linki: Ooooh that's hot!

You have a well-oiled machine of effort and dignity happening all around you in this thread, but you haven't the heart to pick up a shovel and help us. Why Marmot?

Lylo kinda snuck up on me, and I didn't expect to be alive in two different games in similar situations. I've also got work to do today, and a volunteer event to attend this afternoon, and a men's group to attend this evening. I just don't have the gumption right now, and I apologize to everyone for letting y'all down.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:59 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:51 pm I think it's pretty obvious that he's lost a lot of gusto as evident in the whole "is dom scum teammates with you?" "Oh wait he's dead and I knew this and commented on it earlier" conversation earlier

I can't help but worry he's doing that on purpose.

I guess the dilemma here then is: Is he someone to pursue over our list of spicyness? Did I miss a comparison post with him in reference to penny? I can ISO it if you need

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:26 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:23 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:16 pm @Marmot what do you make of Jay's activity rush last night that he made while on his irl deathbed cus of allergies? does bad Jay do all of that?

That's excellent intuition Kylemii. I no longer think Jay's a good place to start.

Linki: Ooooh that's hot!

You have a well-oiled machine of effort and dignity happening all around you in this thread, but you haven't the heart to pick up a shovel and help us. Why Marmot?

Lylo kinda snuck up on me, and I didn't expect to be alive in two different games in similar situations. I've also got work to do today, and a volunteer event to attend this afternoon, and a men's group to attend this evening. I just don't have the gumption right now, and I apologize to everyone for letting y'all down.

Just enjoy your night, we have people digging for you

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:59 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:51 pm I think it's pretty obvious that he's lost a lot of gusto as evident in the whole "is dom scum teammates with you?" "Oh wait he's dead and I knew this and commented on it earlier" conversation earlier

I can't help but worry he's doing that on purpose.

I guess the dilemma here then is: Is he someone to pursue over our list of spicyness? Did I miss a comparison post with him in reference to penny? I can ISO it if you need

I left him out for now, but it can never hurt to check if you have the time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:07 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:59 pm

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:51 pm I think it's pretty obvious that he's lost a lot of gusto as evident in the whole "is dom scum teammates with you?" "Oh wait he's dead and I knew this and commented on it earlier" conversation earlier

I can't help but worry he's doing that on purpose.

I guess the dilemma here then is: Is he someone to pursue over our list of spicyness? Did I miss a comparison post with him in reference to penny? I can ISO it if you need

I left him out for now, but it can never hurt to check if you have the time.

I'll get on that in a moment

Looking at Long con in reference to Dom and Penny

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:03 pm Dom was an absentee player... not much difference between his life and his death.

The "I don't care that he was Town, he was useless either way" mentality sucks. At least he is numbers against scum while alive...

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 3:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:06 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 1:03 pm I kind of feel the Jack lynch but guys I wanna bring up another problem.

What do we do with the inactives?

Cuz we have 3 of them and we are rapidly approaching lylo. With 3 inactives, we approach it faster. Right now if exclude them, the setup is 6-4-1. How long till mafia just overpowers us?

I wanna lynch an inactive.

There are better ways to handle that problem.

Agreed. So long as my vote isn't needed in order to lynch the proper person today, I'll be voting for an inactive so that our vig can kill them.

"I don't need to vote for mafia, I'll just vote an inactive"

There is also no clear reference to Penny aside from explaining how to multi quote early on

The only other worthwhile things mentioning are the general notion of apathy after he came out guns blazing when he nearly got lynched. He acts like he either doesn't care or has given up. Additionally, the whole Dom mess slip is seriously bizarre.

If he wants to win, he can turn his ship around now, it's not over yet.

It's hard to tie LC and Penny together solely through posts, because both of them are either inactive or apathetic about the game

Has LC acted strangely? Yes.
Is there enough content to garner a relationship with Penny Wise? No.

I'll be back in an hour

4 hrs and counting left in day

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 am Marmot asked a single question in his eight posts of pertinence to making reads (about INH potentially voting Scotty). That's a civilian ratio for Marmot.

JaggedJimmyJay called me a civilian for the most minimal of content ever offered in the history of Marmots.

Lynch this bear.

Jest-like post. If they are both bad it's easy to make.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:54 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:52 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 am Marmot asked a single question in his eight posts of pertinence to making reads (about INH potentially voting Scotty). That's a civilian ratio for Marmot.

JaggedJimmyJay called me a civilian for the most minimal of content ever offered in the history of Marmots.

Lynch this bear.

You always lament your lack of credit, but when you get it you get scared.

Your response made me laugh.

Damn, and I already voted for you and everything.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Still jest sounding, but now it becomes a vote.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:47 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:34 am I see a similar thing from JackofHearts2005. Why are your votes on him?

Of the people I designated as having no civilian credit, he's the one I'd least expect to see there.

Sure.

Comparatively, I don't understand why I received civilian credit from you when I did. If you were flavored skittle, you'd be a mandarin right about now. It feels like you're handing out credit rather carelessly.

Now this looks like actual suspicion. I like it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 1:30 pm (I'm just giving Jay a hard time, I think he's town)

The rest of you on the other hand, should be lynched carelessly.

Wait what?

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 12:46 am I hope Long Con is lynched so he doesn't vote for me again tomorrow.

More jest. Meh.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:39 am One thing's for sure. Probably. I doubt that Epignosis is scum and JaggedJimmyJay is civilian.

Ok if he is bad he knows Epi is a civ so this is completely meaningless. Shit throwing.

Then it's nothing but Epi for a long time. Then Epi dies and it's nothing at all for a long time.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:44 pm [VOTE: Pennywise] aubergine in solidarity with Jack.

Lazy reason for voting but that has been Marmot's MO. Looks good for Penny if Marmot is bad.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 6:47 pm I have a soft spot in my heart for victims of Jay's wrath.

Polite reminder that he still dislikes Jay.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 8:18 pm Let's make it happen Long Con.

Buddying with LC to get juliets lynched. Could be teammates or not. It's obvious if teammates, but Marmot can do obvious. If not it's just opportunistic.

Then more Jay shit throwing I won't quote because we have enough of that already.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:49 pm I'm gonna be gone pretty much the entire day phase.

I'm gonna follow Jay's vote, because I don't know what else to do, nor do I have time to make another decision.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 9:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:51 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:49 pm I'm gonna be gone pretty much the entire day phase.

I'm gonna follow Jay's vote, because I don't know what else to do, nor do I have time to make another decision.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Do you trust me, Marmot?

I haven't given this game enough attention to trust anyone.

But you've been the most vocal, and there's no point in me getting my tinfoil hat out right now, so I'm going to follow your vote.

Wait what? [2]

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 2:55 am

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 9:05 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 9:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:51 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:49 pm I'm gonna be gone pretty much the entire day phase.

I'm gonna follow Jay's vote, because I don't know what else to do, nor do I have time to make another decision.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Do you trust me, Marmot?

I haven't given this game enough attention to trust anyone.

But you've been the most vocal, and there's no point in me getting my tinfoil hat out right now, so I'm going to follow your vote.

I've read roughly 10 pages of this game, and even I realize that this is a little bit ridiculous.

What is "this" that is a little bit ridiculous?

Now it's INH having a beef with him. Marmot answers and expects a reply. Teammates less likely.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:57 am Ooh fun! I'll play.

Long Con
wolbre04

I don't recall any interaction with Wolbre. I recall some buddying with LC so at least the later is consistent. This is so WIFOM-y I could easily see a teammate here. Too are less likely.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:07 am Answer me this:

If you were a Mafia on a day like today how would you play it?

Ask questions like this.

This is jest-y but stingy. Then again easy for baddies to make and he hasn't interacted with Mac all game.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:16 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:57 am Long Con
wolbre04

Thanks. Who is your biggest suspect?

JaggedJimmyJay

Back to red.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 4:02 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:26 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:23 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:16 pm @Marmot what do you make of Jay's activity rush last night that he made while on his irl deathbed cus of allergies? does bad Jay do all of that?

That's excellent intuition Kylemii. I no longer think Jay's a good place to start.

Linki: Ooooh that's hot!

You have a well-oiled machine of effort and dignity happening all around you in this thread, but you haven't the heart to pick up a shovel and help us. Why Marmot?

Lylo kinda snuck up on me, and I didn't expect to be alive in two different games in similar situations. I've also got work to do today, and a volunteer event to attend this afternoon, and a men's group to attend this evening. I just don't have the gumption right now, and I apologize to everyone for letting y'all down.

Understandable, bro. I hope you don't take this badly then, cuz I still think you got a baddie role card.

Ok so partial conclusions:

Jay: no way. A baddie doesn't produce this much interaction with a teammate. On the contrary, it's easy for bad Marmot to latch into Jay like this and flip-flop all game, so he doesn't spend time talking about anyone else.
Pennywise: a little unlikely, but heck, penny is easy to sacrifice.
INH: got some beef here. Still need to see the INH side to see if he ever made another post.
LC: there is some stuff that feels like the forced interactions I just described about Marmot/Jay but it's way less so it could easily be bad/bad. Hard to be conclusive.
Mac: one post, one attack, never mentions before or after. Can be bad/bad ignoring each other and then throwing some quick shade, but its so little its easy for it to be just a lazy post from Marmot.
wolbre: he adds him as his biggest civ read once with no mention. WIFOM-y.
Kyle: nothing. Which doesn't look good for kyle.
nova: nothing. Which doesn't look good for nova.

The last post was gonna have a title but it vanished. This is the list of relevant posts about other people by Marmot. The inverse is incoming.

Relevant posts about other people about Marmot.

I'll try to keep this succint. Skipping most rainbows and salads because they rarely mean that much.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:34 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:22 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:46 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 7:42 pm Who is we lynchin INH?

Dunno. I utterly suck at early-game read divination, so I plan on following people I think seem like gen-u-ine townies. I've been getting good vibes from you, JJJ, and Dys. Someone not checking their role PM before posting would draw my ire if it was anyone other than Scotty.

Does that ire correlate to a vote?

I'm not gonna vote for Scotty because he did it, mainly due to Scotty's eccentricities. If another player did it, I'd cast an eye in their direction, but I don't don't know if I'd vote for them.

Is anyone particularly drawing your ire, Mr. Marmot? Oh, sorry, Mr. Marmot was your father.

Oh I missed this. The two are arguing about Scotty without necessarily attacking each other. Easy for teammates to make, maybe.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 am Marmot asked a single question in his eight posts of pertinence to making reads (about INH potentially voting Scotty). That's a civilian ratio for Marmot.

Even Jay's posts re:Marmot are jest.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:56 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:54 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:52 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:32 am Marmot asked a single question in his eight posts of pertinence to making reads (about INH potentially voting Scotty). That's a civilian ratio for Marmot.

JaggedJimmyJay called me a civilian for the most minimal of content ever offered in the history of Marmots.

Lynch this bear.

You always lament your lack of credit, but when you get it you get scared.

Your response made me laugh.

Damn, and I already voted for you and everything.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

What a waste of time. This looks suspicious. Is this a joke vote? JJJ isn't getting lynched Day 1, what world do you think we're in?

Oh nice, this is real beef. Keep coming.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:57 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 9:54 am Your response made me laugh.

Damn, and I already voted for you and everything.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

Anyway, your responses to me here are a more conclusive town look than the inquiry about INH's vote. So it's only going to get worse, Marmot. You're a civilian read. So scary.

Jay has him as a firm civ. Hmm...

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:44 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:47 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:34 am I see a similar thing from JackofHearts2005. Why are your votes on him?

Of the people I designated as having no civilian credit, he's the one I'd least expect to see there.

Sure.

Comparatively, I don't understand why I received civilian credit from you when I did. If you were flavored skittle, you'd be a mandarin right about now. It feels like you're handing out credit rather carelessly.

Being careful on Day 1 is pointless.

And Marmot doesn't like it. Jay goes blunt-like. So far it seems easy for baddies to interact.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 6:58 pm Late day drive by off wagon day 1 Marmot vote

Nice to point it out, I guess.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Fri May 04, 2018 3:08 pm I liked a post from Marmot regarding looking into the low posters early on in the game. While I fall into this group probably, I understand where his head is at and I understand why people want to lynch me for not voting and being awol early

Civ read. Looks good.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:54 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:54 am Let's skip all this petty nonsense, and you just give me my towncard, k?

This man is a civilian god damn it.

Jest.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 7:22 pm Hot potato Mac or Marmot.

Looks good but... a hot potato on two people isn't exactly efficient. And this never builds again.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 1:28 pm Marmot's vote also sucks, though in a more traditional sense.

Okay remember that thing we said about smileys earlier? Yeah.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 4:57 pm My suspicion of Marmot is pure gut. The worst I can say about his content specifically is that his votes are hard to buy. I don't remember all of them if they weren't tagged, but at a glance I see these:

Dyslexicon
JaggedJimmyJay
Jackofhearts2005
Marmot himself

Tinfoil galore and the token self-vote. Meh.

Meh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 5:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 4:57 pm My suspicion of Marmot is pure gut. The worst I can say about his content specifically is that his votes are hard to buy. I don't remember all of them if they weren't tagged, but at a glance I see these:

Dyslexicon
JaggedJimmyJay
Jackofhearts2005
Marmot himself

Tinfoil galore and the token self-vote. Meh.

Not to mention ... EPI NOT KILLED NIGHT 1.

Marmot definitely bad.

why

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 8:46 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 8:45 pm why did we not lynch epi?

Why should we?

Easy interaction to make.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 09, 2018 11:58 pm How did Marmot handle Epignosis?

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:39 am One thing's for sure. Probably. I doubt that Epignosis is scum and JaggedJimmyJay is civilian.

K. This is a stance emerging from the Epi/JJJ fight. I don't know why he felt this way, but it's there.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:44 am I'm having flashbacks of Epignosis vs Sloonei in Lord of the Rings Mafia. They were both mafia in that game.

Well there's a thing. I'll try to glance at that reference to see if I believe Marmot's comparison is authentic.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:57 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 1:53 am Epi is bad. I dunno if Jay is bad too but Epi hounded Jay straight out of the gates for reasons he can't remember and punctuation and seems more interested in trolling Jay than finding bad guys. His gimmick this time was meh as fuck and I bet he did it to play to his meta. I don't know how anyone can think he comes out of that interaction looking good.

They both softly prodded each other and then it predictably turned into a full blow up. They both look worse for it but Epi is just straight up talking shit.

Lynch Epi.

And here I was thinking the opposite. Why would Epi pick a fight with Jay Night 1 if he was mafia and Jay wasn't?

I don't understand why a Syndicate veteran asks this question about Epignosis. The guy is clearly not afraid of picking a fight with [insert any player here].

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 08, 2018 8:45 pm why did we not lynch epi?

Marmot wanted Epi lynched while he was silenced. To be fair, he lost an entire day to talk about his feelings. I don't care for it being treated like an obvious move though, similarly to Jack's post-lynch lamentations.

~~~~~

He's Marmot. I have some mild suspicion. Reminder to self to check LOTR connection he drew.

Well we all do don't we.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 4:05 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 11:41 am Ganondorf is in this game?

ganondorf is in every game

Is it just me or this is the first time they ever interact?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:06 pm DDL why did you vote for Marmot? Is that one of those teammate distance for cred votes that never get you cred but instead get you lynched for not having the balls to vote on wagon?

Marmot why are you here?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:12 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 10, 2018 5:09 pm Mac godanmit you can't attack me for voting for Marmot and attack Marmot in the same post.

What is your stance on Marmot anyway?

What? Of course I can. Either or both of you could be bad? What kind of bullshit logic is this?

I agree with your read but I don't see him as vote worthy yet.

Some shit throwing while still attacking me for attacking Marmot. Then saying he agrees with me but not voting for him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:51 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri May 11, 2018 8:49 pm I'm gonna be gone pretty much the entire day phase.

I'm gonna follow Jay's vote, because I don't know what else to do, nor do I have time to make another decision.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Do you trust me, Marmot?

Marmot starts shereping on Jay and Jay is pinfy about it, understandably.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:50 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 6:49 pm Guys what is your take on Marmot?

I don't like his blind faith in JJJ and his cop-out vote for me.

INH really did avoid replying to Marmot, instead he smeared about him to me. Which looks good for INH in terms of teammates. INH can be bad and Marmot civ, but I don't see the baddie duo doing this.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:49 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 6:47 pm Haha wolbre my boy, there are four mafia members so you’re going to need some more.

JJJ
Penny
Nova
Marmot

There's my GTH scum team

Marmot-Wolbre was wifom-y. Wobre-Marmot is... also wifom-y.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 7:53 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 7:51 pm I understand why I am in this position though. There's no reason to trust me at all beyond vague shit like "tone", and I wouldn't figure anyone would care about that in my case specifically under these conditions.

So the people who are giving me a pass are hard to take seriously. Long Con, DDL, and Mac have not wavered in their trust of me despite my continued pants-on-head failure in this game. I'd figure on two evil-doers in that group at this point.

Don't forget Marmot, who blindly voted for me yesterday solely to follow you.

More smearing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 8:01 pm True, INH.

Of the "trusts JJJ" clan I trust DDL and Marmot the least.

Mac and I at least have mind melds which have gone both directions and from both origins (we've each shared perspectives which started with the other guy). I have no idea why DDL trusts me. I have a suspicion why LC trusts me. Marmot literally never trusts me, so this is a bizarre time to start.

Good point.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 13, 2018 11:23 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Would also entertain a Marmot vote.

I'm going to read some potential teammate combinations.

Would entertain, but still voting someone else.

Ok I'm skipping the "why he is a civ" ones because they are a little forced anyway and I don't have all day.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:04 am The Marmot Fables

Chapter 1. Marmot Distances a Civ Wagon

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:32 am What are the reasons for voting Avito? I read his iso. He comes across as brusque, and hasn't posted anything on topic, aaaaand that's all I've got.

Chapter 2 - Marmot ... Distances Another Civ Wagon

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 10:34 am I see a similar thing from JackofHearts2005. Why are your votes on him?

But I feel good that the votes are on players with minimal to no content, rather than someone with high content who made one "disgusting" post.

Chapter 3 - The Betrayal of the Marmot

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 11:38 am I'll bite though.

[VOTE: JackofHearts2005] aubergine

Chapter 4 - The Agent of Chaos: In which the Marmot was just needling the King of Fuck Mountain on Day 1 and totally not trying to get him lynched LOL as if, oh and LOLs to really make it seem jokesey.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu May 03, 2018 1:30 pm (I'm just giving Jay a hard time, I think he's town)

The rest of you on the other hand, should be lynched carelessly.

Chapter 5 - The Meta: In which the Marmot remembers that he has to self vote or else people might get suspicious.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 6:50 pm Not caught up at all, so I'm voting off-wagon on myself, whIle sitting on a toilet in a coffee shop.

______________________________________________________

Look imma call it here. This guy has to be today's lynch. There is no reason to civ read him. Everyone read his ISO and see for yourself. It's shit. He defends confirmed civ wagons for no reason. Spends the most energy he has spent in the entire game on defending himself from a wagon that didn't get close to taking off. "Tried to lynch Epi' with the lowest effort ever, like as if he was ever going to achieve his JJJ or Epi wagons. He has faked the suspicion of those two players in particular BECAUSE he knows he won't have to answer for them because they will never get fucking lynched.

Marmot bad. Lynch.

Oh now this is real beef. I like it. I'll skip the following posts.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:51 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 1:46 am Hey guys, I bet I'm gonna get lynched after many, many hours of wonderful speculation and analysis.

or if you're good you could just like.... jump in and get involved in the wild deluge of speculation that's taking place

Mention by Kyle of Marmot #2. Yay! Not really assertive tho.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 11:50 am @Marmot who's do you think should be lynched today

More engagement.

wolbre04 wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 3:46 pm I think based on your analysis I can fully say Marmot is not scum, his interactions just aren't strong enough with anyone :/

I have the opposite view on this. No interaction = teammates.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 12:09 pm the situation for us right now is that any wrong move will probably end the game and make us lose in the most embarrassing way possible and we all look like idiots

situation for the mafia is that a wrong move for the civs means victory for them but a right move for the civs only means that they have to stick it out for like... another phase or two.

Marmot so far looks more like the latter than the former.

Some smearing that is easy to miss.

Ok I probably skipped a bunch but this is a long game and I think I caught the juicy stuff.

Jay: still a lot of interaction. Some of it feels forced, but isn't enough to change the fact I think this is too much interaction for teammates.
INH: unlikely. INH wants Marmot dead. He smears Marmot to other people, instead of interacting with him.
LC: there was real beef early, but it never kept coming. Meh.
Kyle: mostly avoided him all game, made some non-commital posts near the end.
Mac: wants him dead. Which looks good.
Penny: zzzzz
Wolbre: early civ read which looks honest, but then forgets about him except for placement on rainbows and salads. meh.
nova: I had to double check this. nova avoids mentioning the word "Marmot" like it's cursed. Insert siren here.

Ok the problem here is that people's mentions of Marmot aren't much more rich than Marmot's mentions of people. Of those I can exclude Jay and INH I think. Mac reads him bad too but Mac is so aggressive normally this could be bussing, and some posts re:Marmot by Mac pinged me and felt forced, so I'm afraid to call this a definite "no". Kyle and nova look the most likely teammates, due to absence of comment. Wolbre, LC and Penny are also likely for the same reason.

So we have 5, maybe 6 people who could be teammates with Marmot. It's easy to be teammates with Marmot.

No, I'm not gonna analyse all their permutations because with 5-6 people there's gotta be a bunch of possible ones.

I think I'm staying on Marmot unless I really need to save myself at the EoD.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 5:49 pm I think I'm staying on Marmot unless I really need to save myself at the EoD.

What happens if the Marmot wagon isn't sticking and you have no votes?

My team was Pennywise-INH-novaselinenever. Marmot could be a viable #4.

Concern: of those four, is any of them more likely to be unlynchable than Marmot?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 5:54 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 5:49 pm I think I'm staying on Marmot unless I really need to save myself at the EoD.

What happens if the Marmot wagon isn't sticking and you have no votes?

In that case I am also likely to change to one of the leading wagons. Throwing my vote out makes it easier for the baddies to control the poll.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 5:56 pm My team was Pennywise-INH-novaselinenever. Marmot could be a viable #4.

Concern: of those four, is any of them more likely to be unlynchable than Marmot?

Probably INH bc he's been around
Nova less so

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 5:56 pm My team was Pennywise-INH-novaselinenever. Marmot could be a viable #4.

Concern: of those four, is any of them more likely to be unlynchable than Marmot?

I have no idea how to predict that.

I hate this DDL wagon and I don't want to vote for it

[VOTE: DDL] aubergine

My gut tells me you're trying harder to defend yourself from being lynched than to find mafia.

Marmot
Nova
LC

Scum?
I'm less inclined to believe marmot is

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:05 pm [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

My gut tells me you're trying harder to defend yourself from being lynched than to find mafia.

Do you think the things he just did in reference to you served as self-defense?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 5:56 pm My team was Pennywise-INH-novaselinenever. Marmot could be a viable #4.

Concern: of those four, is any of them more likely to be unlynchable than Marmot?

I have no idea how to predict that.

We have no choice but to try. I think behavior under pressure can be indicative.

Only one of the three people I have isolated as a key suspect has any votes. I need people to get in here and talk about it.

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:05 pm [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

My gut tells me you're trying harder to defend yourself from being lynched than to find mafia.

Not sure if I agree, but at this point me being lynched would end the game, so why should I not be worried about that?

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]
People still seem adverse to lynching Penny (sigh)
Do you prefer the marmot or DDL wagon

Just throwing this out there, but if you think jjjs and my reads regarding the spice of each player are wrong and we are scum, why are you not voting for us? Alternatively, if they are right, why are you voting incorrectly?

Pick a side of your mouth to speak out of

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:06 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 5:56 pm My team was Pennywise-INH-novaselinenever. Marmot could be a viable #4.

Concern: of those four, is any of them more likely to be unlynchable than Marmot?

I have no idea how to predict that.

We have no choice but to try. I think behavior under pressure can be indicative.

Hmm in that case I think Marmot hardly reacted to pressure, though now he is throwing an OMGUS vote so there's that. Nova reacted strongly to pressure, so I guess he's less likely to be unlynchable. I can't recall INH being ever under real lynch pressure, and penny is penny.

Out of those four Marmot would be the most unlynchable I think, but I'm not sure. Not giving a shit is Marmot-like.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:06 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:05 pm [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

My gut tells me you're trying harder to defend yourself from being lynched than to find mafia.

Do you think the things he just did in reference to you served as self-defense?

This post is what I'm refering to, his ISO of me. DDL's behavior today does not look sincere, as he started with a vote for me, before ISOing me as well as other players' mentions of me.

It's not a great case I know. But I do know I'm civilian, and well, I just can't justify DDL's efforts to get me lynched today.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine
I like this more than DDL, not much though

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:08 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:05 pm [VOTE: DDL] aubergine

My gut tells me you're trying harder to defend yourself from being lynched than to find mafia.

Not sure if I agree, but at this point me being lynched would end the game, so why should I not be worried about that?

Lynching any civilian would end the game. Right?

The two people for whom I found the fewest connections are now the lead wagons.

*throws hands up*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 14, 2018 6:17 pm The two people for whom I found the fewest connections are now the lead wagons.

*throws hands up*

People don't care about winning I guess

This is a dilly of a pickle.