The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Seeking opinions:

Do you think it's more likely they're not trying to kill me again for fear of the protector, or do they think my continued survival works to their benefit?

I've been thinking they're afraid of the protector.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I still think Lorab is good. That's who I am most confident is a civilian.

What about LoRab makes you feel so strongly?

I believe with every fiber in my being that Lorab would have greased Wilgy a long time ago.

Epignosis wrote:I believe with every fiber in my being that Lorab would have greased Wilgy a long time ago.

What makes you feel that way?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Seeking opinions:

Do you think it's more likely they're not trying to kill me again for fear of the protector, or do they think my continued survival works to their benefit?

Both.

Returning to this, we can add motel room. His Night 6 suspicions were pretty clearly centered on Glorfindel and Scotty (perhaps also Dom?).

That'd mean Glorfindel and Scotty are more consistent suspects of the kill targets than they already were. So either they're just obvious baddies or they're the bait the baddies are eager to leave us. That it keeps happening might decrease the chance of an ulterior motive though and increase the likelihood that they're just killing potential voters.

Dom wrote:Both.

Cool. What benefit do you think my survival might give to the baddies?

Voting Glorfindel.

Go Cubs.

It'd be ideal if every player would answer this question:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Seeking opinions:

Do you think it's more likely they're not trying to kill me again for fear of the protector, or do they think my continued survival works to their benefit?

Was anybody going to vote motel room?

I think there's your answer.

Epignosis wrote:Was anybody going to vote motel room?

I think there's your answer.

Was anybody going to vote me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Was anybody going to vote motel room?

I think there's your answer.

Was anybody going to vote me?

JaggedJimmyJay

Epignosis wrote:JaggedJimmyJay

Snark or suspicion?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I believe with every fiber in my being that Lorab would have greased Wilgy a long time ago.

What makes you feel that way?

Because...I believe she would have killed Wilgy a long time ago were she bad. Therefore, I don't think she's bad. It isn't a feeling. It's my opinion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:JaggedJimmyJay

Snark or suspicion?

You decide.

i think JJJ wants to know why you have that feeling.

Epignosis wrote:Because...I believe she would have killed Wilgy a long time ago were she bad. Therefore, I don't think she's bad. It isn't a feeling. It's my opinion.

You know why I'm asking you this, so please just answer the question and spare me these weasel responses. Why do you believe a bad LoRab would have killed DrWilgy a long time ago?

Epignosis wrote:You decide.

No. Answer the question.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Because...I believe she would have killed Wilgy a long time ago were she bad. Therefore, I don't think she's bad. It isn't a feeling. It's my opinion.

You know why I'm asking you this, so please just answer the question and spare me these weasel responses. Why do you believe a bad LoRab would have killed DrWilgy a long time ago?

I thought it was obvious. Wilgy was gung-ho about lynching Lorab for a while there. Lorab doesn't bullshit around. She's good on your team. She snuffs the person suspecting her and twirls her way out of it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You decide.

No. Answer the question.

It was a joke you doofus.

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Because...I believe she would have killed Wilgy a long time ago were she bad. Therefore, I don't think she's bad. It isn't a feeling. It's my opinion.

You know why I'm asking you this, so please just answer the question and spare me these weasel responses. Why do you believe a bad LoRab would have killed DrWilgy a long time ago?

I thought it was obvious. Wilgy was gung-ho about lynching Lorab for a while there. Lorab doesn't bullshit around. She's good on your team. She snuffs the person suspecting her and twirls her way out of it.

This I'll buy.

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You decide.

No. Answer the question.

It was a joke you doofus.

You just implied you trust LoRab more than you trust me, so I am justified to inquire about your reads and your votes. Was that also a joke?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You decide.

No. Answer the question.

It was a joke you doofus.

You just implied you trust LoRab more than you trust me, so I am justified to inquire about your reads and your votes. Was that also a joke?

When are you not justified to inquire about my reads and votes?

Epignosis wrote:When are you not justified to inquire about my reads and votes?

When the action renders me a doofus. Answer please.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:When are you not justified to inquire about my reads and votes?

When the action renders me a doofus. Answer please.

I explained why I trust Lorab. I don't trust you as much as I do her because you voted for me for a time. So, to use Lorab's favorite phrase "Neener neener."

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:When are you not justified to inquire about my reads and votes?

When the action renders me a doofus. Answer please.

I explained why I trust Lorab. I don't trust you as much as I do her because you voted for me for a time. So, to use Lorab's favorite phrase "Neener neener."

The vote is meaningless.

You think it's more likely that my own hypothetical baddie team (within which I am a part of the decision process) elected to shoot me and eliminate my lynchproof power than it is for a bad LoRab to let DrWilgy live?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:When are you not justified to inquire about my reads and votes?

When the action renders me a doofus. Answer please.

I explained why I trust Lorab. I don't trust you as much as I do her because you voted for me for a time. So, to use Lorab's favorite phrase "Neener neener."

The vote is meaningless.

You think it's more likely that my own hypothetical baddie team (within which I am a part of the decision process) elected to shoot me and eliminate my lynchproof power than it is for a bad LoRab to let DrWilgy live?

Oh, NOW your vote on me is meaningless. I said as much yesterday. You denied it.

And with the latter thing, you're just being silly. I don't think that, and you're grasping for straws, because super Jay, cleared Jay, is losing this game. "Epi thinks I'm actually bad." Get real.

You may not like my approach, but you are failing. Start thinking me as an annoying friend instead of an enemy,

Epignosis wrote:Oh, NOW your vote on me is meaningless. I said as much yesterday. You denied it.

I am referring to "meaningless" in the context of the argument I was presenting here.

Epignosis wrote:And with the latter thing, you're just being silly. I don't think that, and you're grasping for straws, because super Jay, cleared Jay, is losing this game. "Epi thinks I'm actually bad." Get real.

You may not like my approach, but you are failing. Start thinking me as an annoying friend instead of an enemy,

I agree I'm losing. What is the relevance of that to anything?

Glorfindel my friend I am going to keep spamming these questions until they are answered.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Glorfindel, I still need answers to these questions:

1. Are you bad?

2. Are you a member of a team that killed anyone in this group: MovingPictures07, MacDougall, motel room?

I'm going to adjust the first question.

1. Are you a member of the team in this Mafia game called the Skags?

Please still answer both.

Epi seems to just be messing with Jay right now and I don't get any sinister vibes from it.

(Go Cubs)

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Oh, NOW your vote on me is meaningless. I said as much yesterday. You denied it.

I am referring to "meaningless" in the context of the argument I was presenting here.

Epignosis wrote:And with the latter thing, you're just being silly. I don't think that, and you're grasping for straws, because super Jay, cleared Jay, is losing this game. "Epi thinks I'm actually bad." Get real.

You may not like my approach, but you are failing. Start thinking me as an annoying friend instead of an enemy,

I agree I'm losing. What is the relevance of that to anything?

It means you should listen instead of trying to take charge all the time. Whom do you trust?

My best wins as a civilian came after S~V~S told me to stop trying to be the leader and listen to others. Step back and observe.

You're a cracker jack civilian- no question. But I'm stepping back and looking at everything I can.

A RAIN DELAY BEFORE THE 10TH INNING OF GAME 7 OF THE WORLD SERIES FEATURING THE CHICAGO CUBS AHFHFHGHGH

someone give me mafia things to do to keep me busy. i am literally going to explode.

How do we feel about Quin?

Epignosis wrote:It means you should listen instead of trying to take charge all the time. Whom do you trust?

My best wins as a civilian came after S~V~S told me to stop trying to be the leader and listen to others. Step back and observe.

You're a cracker jack civilian- no question. But I'm stepping back and looking at everything I can.

Fair advice and I am willing to do so. The bolded bit is sort of my problem though -- I honestly can't claim to trust anyone right now. I can't remember another game where I've survived so deep and felt like every single player is too suspicious to be a confident town read. It's frustrating, and the only way I know to sort it out is ask questions.

I am wide open right now to anyone else's perspectives. I made it clear on Day 6 that I don't know who the baddies are, and I had to place 9,000 votes to even start to arrive at any conclusions.

I'm stumped, like I've said. I have no problem admitting that.

Sloonei wrote:How do we feel about Quin?

He looks town. There is no hard evidence that makes him town. Perhaps he warrants a closer look at least for the sake of thoroughness.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It means you should listen instead of trying to take charge all the time. Whom do you trust?

My best wins as a civilian came after S~V~S told me to stop trying to be the leader and listen to others. Step back and observe.

You're a cracker jack civilian- no question. But I'm stepping back and looking at everything I can.

Fair advice and I am willing to do so. The bolded bit is sort of my problem though -- I honestly can't claim to trust anyone right now. I can't remember another game where I've survived so deep and felt like every single player is too suspicious to be a confident town read. It's frustrating, and the only way I know to sort it out is ask questions.

I am wide open right now to anyone else's perspectives. I made it clear on Day 6 that I don't know who the baddies are, and I had to place 9,000 votes to even start to arrive at any conclusions.

I'm stumped, like I've said. I have no problem admitting that.

Let's establish some trust then! What is your hangup with me?

Sloonei wrote:A RAIN DELAY BEFORE THE 10TH INNING OF GAME 7 OF THE WORLD SERIES FEATURING THE CHICAGO CUBS AHFHFHGHGH

someone give me mafia things to do to keep me busy. i am literally going to explode.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sloonei wrote:I'm stumped, like I've said. I have no problem admitting that.

Let's establish some trust then! What is your hangup with me?[/quote]

At times you have been more hard-headed in your suspicions than you usually are. I'd say in recent memory you've become a more aggressive player than you used to be, but this game represents another shift further in that direction. There have been moments where I have wondered whether your motivation is really learning about players as much as dictating to players.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Sloonei wrote:How do we feel about Quin?

He looks town. There is no hard evidence that makes him town. Perhaps he warrants a closer look at least for the sake of thoroughness.

My thoughts exactly. I started a frantic reread of him and I still love his entrance to this game.

Quin wrote:

G-Man wrote:

Effective immediately, QUIN is replacing SANMATEO and cannot be NK'd tonight.

suck on that, losers


I'd appreciate it if y'all could give me some time to get my real life workload out of the way before I invest myself too deeply here. I've got multiple reports due today I need to touch up before I submit them so my activity is going to be spotty probably just for this phase. After that, I can participate as I usually do

I've been following along to a certain extent (though mostly just skimming tbh), so I'd love it if anyone could sum up some of the more important things or give me some direction so I don't have to re-read 30 pages. There's a lot of invested people in this game so that would be no quick task.

This is his very first post and it's one of the type of entries I can go either way on ("Gonna be busy, will catch up when I can...), depending on how the player follows it up. Quin follows it up very strong. A few hours later he was asking questions and tossing out reads on whatever he could.

A caveat in this is that I feel it's easier for a scum player who subs in late to share reads and look town early on because the reads they post can very well be genuine, gathered from the time they potentially spent as a neutral observer of the thread.

At the moment Quin would probably be my least favorite lynch. If anyone thinks he's bad though I'm all ears.

Sloonei, which of the following realities do you think is most likely:

1. Scotty and Glorfindel are both bad

2. Neither Scotty nor Glorfindel are bad

Actually anyone can answer that.

Baseball is back, I can't mafia. I'll be back to say things if this ever ends.

Sloonei wrote:Baseball is back, I can't mafia. I'll be back to say things if this ever ends.

The MLB thread is alive too if you desire to spam.

Sloonei wrote:How do we feel about Quin?

I don't feel great, but it's hard to when he's repeatedly spread misinformation about me.

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:How do we feel about Quin?

I don't feel great, but it's hard to when he's repeatedly spread misinformation about me.

This was a topic of conversation in the chaos of last night, so I apologize for not being clear on what you are referring to, but... what are you referring to?

Epignosis wrote:I still think Lorab is good. That's who I am most confident is a civilian.

3J.

Does this mean you have your doubts about clearing 3J and INH?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Seeking opinions:

Do you think it's more likely they're not trying to kill me again for fear of the protector, or do they think my continued survival works to their benefit?

I lean towards the former. Although, it's entirely possible that you aren't demonstrating whatever it is that motivated them to kill you earlier anymore. Would you have the time to compare your reads from then and now?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:At the moment Quin would probably be my least favorite lynch. If anyone thinks he's bad though I'm all ears.

Sloonei, which of the following realities do you think is most likely:

1. Scotty and Glorfindel are both bad

2. Neither Scotty nor Glorfindel are bad

Actually anyone can answer that.

I would say the former, going off your updated NK analysis and the rapid vote switch Sloonei pointed out.

Quin wrote:I lean towards the former. Although, it's entirely possible that you aren't demonstrating whatever it is that motivated them to kill you earlier anymore. Would you have the time to compare your reads from then and now?

We did GTH reads the night they tried to kill me. I had four baddie reads: indiglo (wrong), sprityo/Scotty, INH, and DrWilgy (wrong). It seems likely it wasn't my reads they were worried about back then as much as how civilian I looked after the Elohcin lynch.

Sloonei wrote:

Dom wrote:

Sloonei wrote:How do we feel about Quin?

I don't feel great, but it's hard to when he's repeatedly spread misinformation about me.

This was a topic of conversation in the chaos of last night, so I apologize for not being clear on what you are referring to, but... what are you referring to?

I'll wait until he's told you what his point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Quin wrote:I lean towards the former. Although, it's entirely possible that you aren't demonstrating whatever it is that motivated them to kill you earlier anymore. Would you have the time to compare your reads from then and now?

We did GTH reads the night they tried to kill me. I had four baddie reads: indiglo (wrong), sprityo/Scotty, INH, and DrWilgy (wrong). It seems likely it wasn't my reads they were worried about back then as much as how civilian I looked after the Elohcin lynch.

Then I'd probably say it's the former. What are you thoughts on Scotty and INH?