The Syndicate

I played part of a game called Radio Town Mafia. Scum won (I replaced into scum), along with a third party marker.
This marker had to mark over 50% of the current playerlist. Once he achieved that, he would win and leave the game. He had a deal with the mafia and got a joint win at the last second.
But that game didn't have an anti-marker.

From what I'm hearing of a demoman, that sounds more like a role that could use an anti-marker.

So, marker: Generally, they can visit a player each night, marking them for some reason or another. Whether that be killing or winning. Good enough definition?

Bugger. I don't think it's inherently bad in that we probably would have lynched Jack anyway

What is marking? Has anyone come across this before?

Sorry, I see all the other questions. Because my work PC has started having these rollback issues, I couldnt see those posts.

Quick reminder: we're in the final stretch of the day phase, and a minimum of 4 votes will be needed to lynch somebody. So let's work it out, eh? Who gon' die next?

I think it's pretty open now. The most important information we gain from Jack's death is the knowledge that every single post he made in this thread was coming from a sincere place.

Golden wrote:Sorry, I see all the other questions. Because my work PC has started having these rollback issues, I couldnt see those posts.

Same here. I'm refreshing all the time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Quick reminder: we're in the final stretch of the day phase, and a minimum of 4 votes will be needed to lynch somebody. So let's work it out, eh? Who gon' die next?

I think it's pretty open now. The most important information we gain from Jack's death is the knowledge that every single post he made in this thread was coming from a sincere place.

3 votes

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I hope it's a demo-man, that's my favorite anti-town independent role.

I still avoid big wagons if I can help it because of you.

Sorry to shoot and leave, but I've gotta go to work in a moment.

My vote is on Soneji. I think Long Con is a good suspect, and my initial feeling today was that one of Quin or Jack was bad. I haven't really had a scum read on Quin, but he's someone I'd be looking into if I had time.

My initial thought is to vote Quin but I'm open to other thoughts.

Speedchuck wrote:

Playerlist wrote: KILLERS
Silver Lantern - Town Janitor
sig - Town Leeroy

INFOROLES
Nutella - 1-shot Day public cop
Nachomamma - Town Scientist

JJJ - Town 3-shot Tracker
Golden - Watcher

REDIRECTORS
MetalMarsh89 - Mafia Busdriver

PROTECTORS
Quin - Odd-Night Doc
JackofHearts - Town demarker
Sloonei - Bodyguard
juliets - Protective
Dyslexicon - Protective

???
Fredwood - ???
Strawhenge - ???
Eloh - ???
Speedchuck - ???
DrWilgy - Town ???
Soneji - ???
Scotty - Stump

OTHER THING
LongCon - Inventor? Gun-Giver?

DIVINE
insertnamehere - 3rd Party Angel

Based on this, and the number being at 6-7 non-town (my guess based on similarly balanced games from my old forum):

1 non town in Marmot busdriver
1 non-town in INH Angel
2-3 non-town in the ???/stump group
1-3 non-town in the protective (townie-visiting) group (If it's wrong for me to group you in there, Jack, sorry. Best way I could put this together)
0 or 1 non-town in the Tracker/Watcher group.

Updated the list. Still think everything holds, despite the marks.

So the demo man can trigger his device even during the day phase, like even if we're trying to lynch them?

I really hope Eloh isn't the demo man.




As for the lynch, the town flip isn't good for Quin, but a T/T scenario was never out of the question. As usual a Sloenji or Scotty lynch I'd be fine with as well. Not sure I'd commit to anyone else at this point, and I'm still not 100 percent sold on a Q lynch.

Sloonei wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I hope it's a demo-man, that's my favorite anti-town independent role.

I still avoid big wagons if I can help it because of you.

5 years ago.

Oops wrong image copied.

Lynch Soneji

I want a link to that legendary-looking game, if you guys have one.

I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

speedchuck wrote:Lynch Soneji

I want a link to that legendary-looking game, if you guys have one.

Unfortunately it was on RYM, where the mafia-friendly forum was deleted. The threads are all gone to mafia heaven. I killed 11 players in one move.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Lynch Soneji

I want a link to that legendary-looking game, if you guys have one.

Unfortunately it was on RYM, where the mafia-friendly forum was deleted. The threads are all gone to mafia heaven. I killed 11 players in one move.

Damn. Oh, God...though I have to write down this role for my future games if I run any. As a mod I love the idea for a neutral killer, as a player it's fucking terrifying lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

Golden wrote:I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

I'm inclined to leave meta at the door with Strawhenge, since I think this is is first game in a year and a half. I think he has seemed earnest enough when he's been able to participate -- indeed I think his post history is more analogous to your own than to anyone else's right now.

Wait, no that's probably impossible. Nevermind.

speedchuck wrote:Wait, no that's probably impossible. Nevermind.

On that note, I'll be back later.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

speedchuck wrote:Wait, no that's probably impossible. Nevermind.

I feel the need to read speedchuck. He *feels* town but last time I analysed him I didn't like what felt like feigned ignorance.

@Speed - why are you town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:On that note, I'll be back later.

speedchuck wrote:that's probably impossible

Correct order of events

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

Golden wrote: @Speed - why are you town?

Luck of the draw, I guess. I don't know how pE determined the ordering or giving of roles.

I'd like to think that I've been helpful and added to discussions in a way that benefits town, if that's what you're asking.

speedchuck wrote:

Golden wrote: @Speed - why are you town?

Luck of the draw, I guess. I don't know how pE determined the ordering or giving of roles.

I'd like to think that I've been helpful and added to discussions in a way that benefits town, if that's what you're asking.

Yeah, put another way.. what do you think is the townies that thing you've done.

Towniest*

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

You'd replace LC with Strawhenge, but not remove the person you thought was genuine in their doctor claim?

Towniest single thing I've done? Refreshing hundreds of times on D2 just to make sure that a mafia lynch went through on Marmot. I generally don't like to focus on that, since I was waffle on that lynch, but I honestly think it was the towniest thing I've accomplished.

Golden wrote:I feel the need to read speedchuck. He *feels* town but last time I analysed him I didn't like what felt like feigned ignorance.

@Speed - why are you town?

Golden, is there anything I could review that speedchuck has done or said that would help me understand what you are seeing? I have been reading him as town.

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

You'd replace LC with Strawhenge, but not remove the person you thought was genuine in their doctor claim?

Yep, that about sums it up. I think it's important to discuss you and for me to take another look in light of Jack's flip.

speedchuck wrote:Towniest single thing I've done? Refreshing hundreds of times on D2 just to make sure that a mafia lynch went through on Marmot. I generally don't like to focus on that, since I was waffle on that lynch, but I honestly think it was the towniest thing I've accomplished.

I'll take a look at your role in that.

juliets wrote:

Golden wrote:I feel the need to read speedchuck. He *feels* town but last time I analysed him I didn't like what felt like feigned ignorance.

@Speed - why are you town?

Golden, is there anything I could review that speedchuck has done or said that would help me understand what you are seeing? I have been reading him as town.

He *feels* town (to me as well) on a tone basis. But on day one, when I looked properly at his interrogation of me, it felt like the push he put on me wasn't genuine (because I came to realise he had actually caught up and read my explanations for what I had done and why I had done it, but then he criticised me as 'doing nothing' without acknowledging any of it). Since then, I haven't really looked into him again to see if there are more instances of the same kind of thing - things which don't feel intellectually honest. I haven't had time to do another look yet.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

You'd replace LC with Strawhenge, but not remove the person you thought was genuine in their doctor claim?

Yep, that about sums it up. I think it's important to discuss you and for me to take another look in light of Jack's flip.

What does Jack have to do with the hints I gave that lead you to the thought that I was claiming doctor?

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

You'd replace LC with Strawhenge, but not remove the person you thought was genuine in their doctor claim?

Yep, that about sums it up. I think it's important to discuss you and for me to take another look in light of Jack's flip.

What does Jack have to do with the hints I gave that lead you to the thought that I was claiming doctor?

Nothing, but your doctor claim has nothing to do with my reasons for reading you as civ. It had to do with my reasons for thinking Jack was bad (ie, I thought it was obvious enough that his suspicion looked false). But it does nothing to move my needle on your affiliation.

My perception of you in that exchange was coloured by the fact I felt Jack looked off in that exchange. I want to look at it again and see if I still feel that way taking 'it feels like Jack is setting Quin up' out of the equation. If it does, I'll likely come back to a town read. If it doesn't, it might not. Whatever, you don't get an automatic pass just because I was town reading you earlier and just because you want one.

Put another way, Quin - there is no reason the baddies would not have an odd night doctor given there is an odd night vig. I have to put aside the claim because I do not think the claim is in any way what makes you civ or bad. I think your content is much more important.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I have to be away for a bit myself, but I should be back well before the deadline.

Quin
Long Con
Soneji
Scotty

I might kill you. Show me why I shouldn't.

I think the shortlist is fair, but I'd personally replace LC with strawhenge. Any reason you exclude him? He doesn't remind me of what I'm used to as town from him, although this could be a function of time.

You'd replace LC with Strawhenge, but not remove the person you thought was genuine in their doctor claim?

Yep, that about sums it up. I think it's important to discuss you and for me to take another look in light of Jack's flip.

What does Jack have to do with the hints I gave that lead you to the thought that I was claiming doctor?

Nothing, but your doctor claim has nothing to do with my reasons for reading you as civ. It had to do with my reasons for thinking Jack was bad (ie, I thought it was obvious enough that his suspicion looked false). But it does nothing to move my needle on your affiliation.

My perception of you in that exchange was coloured by the fact I felt Jack looked off in that exchange. I want to look at it again and see if I still feel that way taking 'it feels like Jack is setting Quin up' out of the equation. If it does, I'll likely come back to a town read. If it doesn't, it might not. Whatever, you don't get an automatic pass just because I was town reading you earlier and just because you want one.

You've been strongly town-reading me since Day 1. Jack had little to do with it, me thinks.

I haven't been strongly tiwnreading you since day one. I was strongly town reading you on day one. By the end of day three, my position on you was quite different. I was quite suspicious of you. The entry you made into the thread today got you back to weak town. All of this is in the thread, and I was having specific discussions with you about my suspicion on day three.

Ok, I just isoed for my references to 'quin' and I wasn't particularly firm about my quin suspicion. But I do feel like you got a lot in early then virtually vanished and drifted by. I pointed this out a couple of times. I didn't do a rainbow in the middle.

Incomplete thought progression recording is a thing when I'm this busy, but the fact I only had you as light town AFTER I defended your entry into the thread today should speak fairly well to my progression on you.

I don't think you are unimpeachable and deserve to avoid discussion about you.

Golden wrote:I haven't been strongly tiwnreading you since day one. I was strongly town reading you on day one. By the end of day three, my position on you was quite different. I was quite suspicious of you. The entry you made into the thread today got you back to weak town. All of this is in the thread, and I was having specific discussions with you about my suspicion on day three.

Your interactions with/about me between Days 2 and 3.
You never interacted with me on Day 3. None of this indicates being 'quite suspicious'. At most, it indicates entertaining the idea of a baddie Quin.

Golden wrote:Ok, I just isoed for my references to 'quin' and I wasn't particularly firm about my quin suspicion. But I do feel like you got a lot in early then virtually vanished and drifted by. I pointed this out a couple of times. I didn't do a rainbow in the middle.

Incomplete thought progression recording is a thing when I'm this busy, but the fact I only had you as light town AFTER I defended your entry into the thread today should speak fairly well to my progression on you.

I don't think you are unimpeachable and deserve to avoid discussion about you.

You said that I am one of four people you approved of being killed today. That has nothing to do with whether or not I think I should be the focus of discussion.

Yeah, my reasons for the early strong town read had fallen off a cliff.

Linki @quin - I did not say that at all. Jay said 'I might kill you', but being entirely honest, what do you think jay meant by that - an arbitrary selection from that list or choosing a pool of people to discuss? Because I sure interpreted it as the latter and I think jay would back me up in saying that's how he intended it.

I don't like it when people add words that aren't there to back a misrepresentation.

Golden wrote:Yeah, my reasons for the early strong town read had fallen off a cliff.

Linki @quin - I did not say that at all. Jay said 'I might kill you', but being entirely honest, what do you think jay meant by that - an arbitrary selection from that list or choosing a pool of people to discuss? Because I sure interpreted it as the latter and I think jay would back me up in saying that's how he intended it.

Replace 'kill' with 'lynched'.

Which words am I adding to back a misrepresentation?

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Yeah, my reasons for the early strong town read had fallen off a cliff.

Linki @quin - I did not say that at all. Jay said 'I might kill you', but being entirely honest, what do you think jay meant by that - an arbitrary selection from that list or choosing a pool of people to discuss? Because I sure interpreted it as the latter and I think jay would back me up in saying that's how he intended it.

Replace 'kill' with 'lynched'.

Which words am I adding to back a misrepresentation?

The ones where i apparently said I 'approved' of you being 'killed'. You're putting jays word in my mouth.

Golden wrote:

Quin wrote:

Golden wrote:Yeah, my reasons for the early strong town read had fallen off a cliff.

Linki @quin - I did not say that at all. Jay said 'I might kill you', but being entirely honest, what do you think jay meant by that - an arbitrary selection from that list or choosing a pool of people to discuss? Because I sure interpreted it as the latter and I think jay would back me up in saying that's how he intended it.

Replace 'kill' with 'lynched'.

Which words am I adding to back a misrepresentation?

The ones where i apparently said I 'approved' of you being 'killed'. You're putting jays word in my mouth.

You approved of me being in that list. That is evident because you spoke out against Long Con, but not me.

I am not on Jay's list for the shits and giggles. He is looking to vote for one of the four of the people on that list.

Do you deny either of these statements?

And what's more you're doing it pedantically to imply that jay (and by extension, i) would choose from the list arbirtarily and without further thought.

Answer my question - what do you think jay honestly meant - a list for discussion or equally happy with an arbitrary kill of any person in that list?