The Syndicate

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:44 pm Is Benson still looking for Elephant seeds or what?

https://www.bcseeds.com/product/elephant-bud/

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:00 am i actually do think epignosis is scum now and i keep mindmelding with 112

112 is locktwon forever

and i trust 112 m

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:35 pm I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.

Who would you suggest for falling within that group?

No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.

Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.

Frankly like 1/5 of the game is low posters. And with a game this size there is almost a guarantee that one of them is.

I'd almost bet two low posters are with a scum Hyena. My only hesitation there is that he could be purposefully baiting for this as scum.

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:50 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:46 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:35 pm I think if we try hard enough we can make this a 6 way tie.

Who would you suggest for falling within that group?

No low posters. (e.g. Rej, Nova, DFar, etc.) I want to see people voting on people who have been active.

Note for future: if hyena is scum, very likely a partner in the low posters.

Frankly like 1/5 of the game is low posters. And with a game this size there is almost a guarantee that one of them is.

I'd almost bet two low posters are with a scum Hyena. My only hesitation there is that he could be purposefully baiting for this as scum.

You're that sure Hyena's scum? How much do you know him outside this game?

112 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:19 am wagonomics/gut says creature and vanity are the wrongtowns on my wagon and epi is the wolf looking to either capitalize or safely sit on a wagon that won't really manifest.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm Tough crowd.

More just questioning putting Nancy Pelosi in there considering the age gap with everyone else there.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm Tough crowd.

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:52 pm Master Radishes has poor thread presence this day

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:50 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:47 pm @Trustworthy Liberal
You should place a vote. :P

That goes for @DFaraday , @novaselinenever , and @Rej, too, even though they haven't been active.

Hyena if you remember i am very reluctent to vote every since it got me killed in my first forum game thats why am ready the Dragomir person first

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:54 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:49 pm Tough crowd.

More just questioning putting Nancy Pelosi in there considering the age gap with everyone else there.

I don’t remember where I saw it but there was a really funny copy pasta about a guy seducing Nancy Pelosi and her wanting to be told far left policy positions or factoids during sex. Plus, I’ve gotten more tribalistic in this environment. There are two more reasons but we’re not that close.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:57 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Idk.

Drago is always town and Rej is always a wolf and Drago always catches him.

We’re in uncharted territory here.

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:58 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:57 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:56 pm I asked this before but does anyone from this forum know if Drago has the propensity to slank like this as wolf?

Idk.

Drago is always town and Rej is always a wolf and Drago always catches him.

We’re in uncharted territory here.

How do you know that scenario isn't the case and Drago just hasn't seen enough to catch him yet?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:35 am wait is this one of those tricks the hosts are playing on us?? is this one of the ~~*unorthodox*~~ elements? is nova a plant?!

Btw anyone think I was onto something here?? He popped in once and dropped assertions that sprit and epi are bad with no explanation. Are we bring incepted? @novaselinenever are you the inceptor???

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:47 pm @Trustworthy Liberal
You should place a vote. :P

That goes for @DFaraday , @novaselinenever , and @Rej, too, even though they haven't been active.

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:00 pm Gonna put on my Elephant trunk for a sec and say I notice Juliets' vote is still on TSP even though she said she'd move it.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:01 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:35 am wait is this one of those tricks the hosts are playing on us?? is this one of the ~~*unorthodox*~~ elements? is nova a plant?!

Btw anyone think I was onto something here?? He popped in once and dropped assertions that sprit and epi are bad with no explanation. Are we bring incepted? @novaselinenever are you the inceptor???

Whaaaaat?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:03 pm Like I said earlier, I usually find Drago as a pretty strong townread early on when he's town (even when I mislynched him I had been townreading him for the first few days) and I haven't gotten that feeling at all here so my gut says he's likely scum.

boo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:06 pm Hey everyone, I haven't had time to get remotely caught up yet, so just going with [VOTE: no lynch] aubergine for today. Will get caught up this evening and write some thoughts up tomorrow some time hopefully.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:07 pm

boo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:06 pm Hey everyone, I haven't had time to get remotely caught up yet, so just going with [VOTE: no lynch] aubergine for today. Will get caught up this evening and write some thoughts up tomorrow some time hopefully.

Wait are you in this game?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:07 pm

boo wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:06 pm Hey everyone, I haven't had time to get remotely caught up yet, so just going with [VOTE: no lynch] aubergine for today. Will get caught up this evening and write some thoughts up tomorrow some time hopefully.

Wait are you in this game?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:07 pm Okay just finshed Dragomir's ISO don't see multy quotes so heres my thoughts on him

-Seemed to go alittle far with evenstar (not alignment indicative)
-Made a case on 112 based off characters claims saying that a town wouldn't play that way but the case became empty due to random characters
-Not a lot of depth short anwsers threw shade on Mac leaving his vote there before leaving
-hasn't posted in thread since early yesterday morning (my time atleast)

Don't think this is enough to call him 100% scum but i don't think he has been pushing a town presence would love if he could come back and post a little. I know this is ironic coming from me but atleast am here now.


Conclusion
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Scum lean on him based off what he did push when he was fairly active so willing to lynch this today, him missing for a long period doesn't make him look any better either.

(someone tell me the command for voting i didn't see it when i looked sorry for being a bother)

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:33 pm list of potential somewhat deepwolves i dont trust who fit together somewhat:

pawn/epignosis/hyena

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:52 pm Master Radishes has poor thread presence this day

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:04 pm [big snip]
Post 5: Conversations with Juliets. This is where I think he's definitely planting the seeds. He's going about it in the nicest way possibly, but he's quietly tearing apart Juliet's ISO on TSP and her follow up to said ISO. I suppose in retrospect this could be some tactical scumhunting method from Elephant.

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Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:22 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 10:04 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 9:19 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:52 am

Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 8:40 am

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:49 am

Hi Elephant!

I'm reading through your posts right now, and mind-melded with you on one of them.

I don't feel like I've done anything scummy but both Dom and Epi feel like my ISO on Tony was OOC in that I am not usually that accusatory. I have to believe them because I've played with both for a long, long time. You'll see my responses to them in my ISO.

TSP who I have played one game with and I was bad says I remind him of that game but he admits thats a weak meta read.

I have a question for you too - why does 112 find you scummy?

I believe the questions you put to Tony in your ISO of him were worth asking. When I read a player, I try to determine their intentions: why did they write that? Would they have written that as town? as scum? The motivations for the points you observed were unclear, so it was good to ask about them. Tony answered you 25 minutes later, here. My impression is that he gives fairly townish motivations for the posts that pinged you. I did not see a reaction to Tony's reply in your ISO. Why did you not comment on his answer?

I was embarrassed that I had viewed several of his posts as serious when they were really jokes so I didn't feel like there was a lot for me to say to him. I should have responded though, it's rude not to acknowledge that he took the time to answer. I'll go back and take another look at his reply when I'm finished with my group.

I can certainly empathize with your feeling of embarrassment: you felt you were being more accusatory than you were comfortable with, and had been deflated. With a proper "accusatory" mindset, you would have realized that your questions were justified, and kept questioning some of the answers without embarrassment.
I see that you did not unvote Tony, and are still voting him. Why did you still scumread him after this answer?
You had been accused of being unusally accusatory; did that play a role in your decision not to double down?

I will re-visit that Tony vote today when I re-visit his reply to me. By double down do you mean did the accusatory accusations cause me to not say "I see your answers but still think you are scum"?

Also, have you read Eva yet? I just read her and my head is spinning. I'd appreciate your opinion if you have one at this point.

I've got to take a break and get ready for an appointment I have.

Please don't understand this as me giving you advice, I'm certain you don't need any help playing mafia. My thought is that some of Tony's answers can be questioned. For example, you accused him of hiding four reads in a "summary". Tony answered, "It’s literally just a joke summary for Michelle". It still has four reads in it that are getting passed of as a joke, so you could go and look at the page in question: would a bona fide "joke summary" characterize these players for their alignment, in the same way that "Elephant: elephant" characterizes my contributions? If you can see that, his answer is valid; if you can't see it, it might not be, and deserves further questioning.
I do hope for an explanation why Tony's answers satisfy you, but you still read him as mafia. I'm happy to hear you'll be re-visiting Tony and provide that.

I am watching Evenstar from the gallery, so to speak. I consider myself unable to read her off her antics, and therefore I am content to sit back and enjoy the fireworks exploding around her. As a benefit, this attitude nicely avoids the "my head is spinning" sensation that you just experienced.

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There's less substance to the whole thing than I had hoped but whatever. It's a gut suspicion anyways.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:10 pm Hope that gif wasn’t a spoiler.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:36 pm And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Thank you, thank you.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:09 pm

Benson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:52 pm Master Radishes has poor thread presence this day

I know you're town because you're intent on sussing me even though you have to stretch to justify it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:12 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 pm

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:36 pm And thus the triad is broken and I can freely place my vote. Out of TL, Michelle, and Drago, Drago is by far the scummiest imo.

[VOTE: Dragomir] aubergine

Thank you, thank you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:39 pm Wait I’m getting my way? Yippee!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:09 pm

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:33 pm list of potential somewhat deepwolves i dont trust who fit together somewhat:

pawn/epignosis/hyena

I feel this