TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:14 pm
if rej actually just came in and made one or two posts and dipped i agree with alison's assessment/comparison to SI
I'm not going to do Rej's scum game the discourtesy of just saying "we'll sort by post count and be done with it". I'm comparing him to SI on a bunch of metrics, including depth of engagement with the game, general discomfort, attempts to blend in, and the way he tries to deflect pressure off himself by using emojis and a sheepish tone. Those things fit.
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:18 pm
by NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I on the other hand will say that some amount of sort by postcount applies in this case
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:09 pm
I have good news and bad news.
The bad news is that Urist and nanook are the same person, and scumreading nanook for not explaining his reads in-depth is silly. Also, scumreading SPF for getting annoyed when people aren't listening to her or acknowledging her viewpoint is silly.
The good news is that I don't see either of those concerns as looking like a wolf cooking up a reason to kill a townie, and I don't think Urist/Sloonei are in the same team, nor do I think DOOM and SPF are in the same team. So DOOM and Sloonei get points from me.
Who are your Top 5 Scum?
ChopChop, Rej, Epignosis, Dom, and Poison.
I've raised issue with Epi's slanking. Tell me, is this is normal town game? What gets him on your scum radar?
There are a lot of good players this game and all of them were very wrong on D1. The gamestate is suggestive of a deepwolf biding their time through D1 and gently guiding town towards bad exes. Viewing the game holistically, Epignosis checks all the boxes for that role. He was cleared for reasons which, although seeming good at the time, on reflection appear to be rather flimsy. He generated some content early D1, but dropped off sharply, especially after he attained a consensus townread. He silently pushed narratives that weren't really questioned, and made a show of interrogating players, but we aren't privy to what conclusions he arrived at or why. Nobody has shown interest in pushing him or raising tinfoil or suspicion on him, despite tinfoil or suspicion being raised on damn near everyone else.
This evidence is suggestive that Epignosis is a deepwolf working with a team to cover up for him as he slips UTR and gets acknowledged as a consensus townread without people questioning why. Therefore I suspect him.
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:29 pm
by falcon45ca
Urist wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:23 pm
Hot take: falcon voted alison bc he didn't want to be voting for rej any more.
Oh look rej and chop are tied now
Nah, I'm voting Alison so she doesn't get her intimidator ability.
This song syncs up with your cats profile pic perfectly
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:09 pm
I have good news and bad news.
The bad news is that Urist and nanook are the same person, and scumreading nanook for not explaining his reads in-depth is silly. Also, scumreading SPF for getting annoyed when people aren't listening to her or acknowledging her viewpoint is silly.
The good news is that I don't see either of those concerns as looking like a wolf cooking up a reason to kill a townie, and I don't think Urist/Sloonei are in the same team, nor do I think DOOM and SPF are in the same team. So DOOM and Sloonei get points from me.
Who are your Top 5 Scum?
ChopChop, Rej, Epignosis, Dom, and Poison.
I've raised issue with Epi's slanking. Tell me, is this is normal town game? What gets him on your scum radar?
There are a lot of good players this game and all of them were very wrong on D1. The gamestate is suggestive of a deepwolf biding their time through D1 and gently guiding town towards bad exes. Viewing the game holistically, Epignosis checks all the boxes for that role. He was cleared for reasons which, although seeming good at the time, on reflection appear to be rather flimsy. He generated some content early D1, but dropped off sharply, especially after he attained a consensus townread. He silently pushed narratives that weren't really questioned, and made a show of interrogating players, but we aren't privy to what conclusions he arrived at or why. Nobody has shown interest in pushing him or raising tinfoil or suspicion on him, despite tinfoil or suspicion being raised on damn near everyone else.
This evidence is suggestive that Epignosis is a deepwolf working with a team to cover up for him as he slips UTR and gets acknowledged as a consensus townread without people questioning why. Therefore I suspect him.
Pretty damn solid reasoning here
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:31 pm
by Alison
Falcon if you weren't voting me who would you vote?
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:37 pm
by falcon45ca
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:31 pm
Falcon if you weren't voting me who would you vote?
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:31 pm
Falcon if you weren't voting me who would you vote?
Rej. Grogu is a close second.
Why not Chop?
While I find Chop sus, I just have a nagging feeling he's not scum. Just a gut read
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:42 pm
by Epignosis
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:43 pm
by DaughterOfOmega
"While my brain tells me that a player is sus, I decided to hear out what my gut had to say. I heard it rumble twice (which I decided meant chop town) although I have not eaten dinner and these rumbles could also mean I am hungry. Though I am full confidence in my gut!"
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:09 pm
I have good news and bad news.
The bad news is that Urist and nanook are the same person, and scumreading nanook for not explaining his reads in-depth is silly. Also, scumreading SPF for getting annoyed when people aren't listening to her or acknowledging her viewpoint is silly.
The good news is that I don't see either of those concerns as looking like a wolf cooking up a reason to kill a townie, and I don't think Urist/Sloonei are in the same team, nor do I think DOOM and SPF are in the same team. So DOOM and Sloonei get points from me.
Who are your Top 5 Scum?
ChopChop, Rej, Epignosis, Dom, and Poison.
I really don't think Dom is bad. Epi doesn't need to go right now. Poison can get yeeted just fine. ChopChop is zany, Rej... I dunno.
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:43 pm
"While my brain tells me that a player is sus, I decided to hear out what my gut had to say. I heard it rumble twice (which I decided meant chop town) although I have not eaten dinner and these rumbles could also mean I am hungry. Though I am full confidence in my gut!"
I feel a lil' targeted by this...
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:57 pm
by Epignosis
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:01 pm
by Gavial
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:54 pm
Every decision you make in a mafia game is to increase the probability of achieving your win condition. You save scum teammates because they can help you reach parity, or they have useful abilities, or they have good thread control/presence, or some combination of the three. ChopChop will never help a mafia team reach parity because he will never survive to the point where parity is being counted. We know that if he's scum he doesn't have exciting abilities. And he is so widely distrusted that he has no thread influence.
Therefore you hard bus.
You underestimate me.
Trying to softly say I’m a bad player no matter what role I am.
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:04 pm
by Gavial
Thought Alison SR’ed Tony.
Guess it might have actually been signalling.
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:05 pm
by Sloonei
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:04 pm
Thought Alison SR’ed Tony.
Guess it might have actually been signalling.
I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.
I think meta on Mac, and perhaps lack thereof on Chop, is probably a factor. Also, the quality and flavour of their unhelpfulness is markedly different.
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:11 pm
If your gonna tell me you would ignore it and not claim at all.
We both know that’s BS.
That would probably be my response, tbh.
But more importantly, I am still unclear on why you chose the strategy that you did. Why did you want to target a null read to "get more info on them"? Why not targeting a town read to help clear yourself? Why did you fish for daisy's role? Why relay your reads to her so that she could act as your mouthpiece? And why Daisy out of all the "null reads" in the game?
@ChopChop i would appreciate an answer to this barrage of questions if you could. please and thanks
I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.
I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.
I also said I'd do that and I'm literally and indisputably the best mafia player in the world.
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:07 pm
by Gavial
Like it makes more sense to pick a different fake claim then stick with one that’d make me look sus.
Now if your like Alison that would fake claim in my position, then that’s a horrible approach considering I’m just super scummy later on because my flavourless VT claim would make zero sense
I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.
I also said I'd do that and I'm literally and indisputably the best mafia player in the world.
That’s the stupidest thing to do.
As soon as you claim, you die.
I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.
if this is an argument for why youre town, it means very little to me because it's ultimately just wifom
i am more interested in hearing your general impressions and reads
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:09 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
ftr while we're piling on i would also be using the shaggy defense here
I want to remind you that Alison suggested that if they were in my position they would have fake claimed flavourless VT which is the absolute dumbest thing a town can do.
Scum probably have fake claims and as scum I could have just switched to that instead of hard claiming.
I also said I'd do that and I'm literally and indisputably the best mafia player in the world.
That’s the stupidest thing to do.
As soon as you claim, you die.
Actually what I said was that i wouldn't claim at all.
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:11 pm
If your gonna tell me you would ignore it and not claim at all.
We both know that’s BS.
That would probably be my response, tbh.
But more importantly, I am still unclear on why you chose the strategy that you did. Why did you want to target a null read to "get more info on them"? Why not targeting a town read to help clear yourself? Why did you fish for daisy's role? Why relay your reads to her so that she could act as your mouthpiece? And why Daisy out of all the "null reads" in the game?
@ChopChop i would appreciate an answer to this barrage of questions if you could. please and thanks
I care a thousand times more about this than a What If scenario.
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:10 pm
by Gavial
WOW YEAH!
Why don’t I hide my fuckin role like a shady shit and then when asked for my role claim something that absolutely makes no sense so I can be Yeeted late game and lose the game for town.
YA!
What a great idea!
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:10 pm
by TonyStarkPrime
"darn that sure looks scummy. it's a good thing I didn't send that message because then I'd be a wolf"
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:13 pm
by Sloonei
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:10 pm
WOW YEAH!
Why don’t I hide my fuckin role like a shady shit and then when asked for my role claim something that absolutely makes no sense so I can be Yeeted late game and lose the game for town.
ChopChop wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 6:11 pm
If your gonna tell me you would ignore it and not claim at all.
We both know that’s BS.
That would probably be my response, tbh.
But more importantly, I am still unclear on why you chose the strategy that you did. Why did you want to target a null read to "get more info on them"? Why not targeting a town read to help clear yourself? Why did you fish for daisy's role? Why relay your reads to her so that she could act as your mouthpiece? And why Daisy out of all the "null reads" in the game?
@ChopChop i would appreciate an answer to this barrage of questions if you could. please and thanks
I care a thousand times more about this than a What If scenario.
I chose my null read to see if I can get a positive read on them through my action.
Sorta using it like an alignment cop.
I asked Daisy to post what I did to see how they go about it and conclude with it.
Like scum may go about the relay reads different then a Townie would.
I didn’t entirely “fish” what I was doing is kinda using that part as a “Jailor/Prince” type role where I get their role and no one else. So when they can trust me enough they would semi-claim role. Then when I trust them 100% I would mention Slash somewhere in my next post.
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:16 pm
by Gavial
I mean can’t really say why exactly Daisy rather then, would like more from Daisy so I’ll choose her.
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:19 pm
by Gavial
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:10 pm
"darn that sure looks scummy. it's a good thing I didn't send that message because then I'd be a wolf"
I feel like this was something I said sarcastically and you quoted it but I can’t remember.
Honestly, if someone asked me what the last 5 posts I made where I would probably tip that hat, look confused and walk away.
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:19 pm
by KZA
Just give us some reads man
Re: Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [Day 2]
Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:20 pm
by Gavial
KZA wrote: ↑Thu Mar 04, 2021 10:19 pm
Just give us some reads man
I’ve given multiple.
Any specific read/reads you want?
