The Syndicate

Thats not "a little aggressively" that's way the fuck over the line

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:28 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:11 pm Unfortunately, time is a limited resource of mine right now, but considering the urgency with which I now have to play this phase, I'll see what I can do.

Naw you're gonna be doc protected

Aw yeah, that's a good point. I guess I have until d3 then.

Hawk and Owner both seem like legit suspects, I'll keep digging to see if there's any preference. I still think bad bunny is... bad, lol.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:27 pm Sooooo, you read them as??

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 11:15 pm [VOTE: hawkataine] aubergine hi welcome to the syndicate how are you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:13 pm At this point I could see myself voting for hawk, alison, mac, and maybe guillotine.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:22 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:21 pm I'm kinda down with a made vote

[VOTE: made] aubergine

I'm pretty chill with nutella dying as well but this is spicier

owner I would like to give more time

I still have vague feelings that hawk is mafia.

Also lol at Owner having her vote on me now, that aged well.

This is totally self-centered, but if nutella didn't know how to handle me and treated me by being like ok and cleared me, then I don't understand why I've been such a focus for Owner. But I don't know, that could mean nothing.

well that wagon grew and ngl I'm having a terrible day and have a deadline for my first conference tomorrow so I'm just a ball of anxiety rn :')

if it means anything to anyone I can probably clear myself by tomorrow
but like
lol game

gonna go read now

That was the most badman move I've ever seen I love you @Belzy

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:34 pm This is totally self-centered, but if nutella didn't know how to handle me and treated me by being like ok and cleared me, then I don't understand why I've been such a focus for Owner. But I don't know, that could mean nothing.

Like, Hawk's treatment of me is more parallel with nutella, assuming there even was any discussion at all in scum chat about me, which... it's me, I probably was mentioned. (Kidding, my head's not that big.)

Anyway, done with the silly self-centered reads now, got that out of my system.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:34 pm well that wagon grew and ngl I'm having a terrible day and have a deadline for my first conference tomorrow so I'm just a ball of anxiety rn :')

if it means anything to anyone I can probably clear myself by tomorrow
but like
lol game

gonna go read now

omg hugs, you got this!!!!!!!!

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:34 pm well that wagon grew and ngl I'm having a terrible day and have a deadline for my first conference tomorrow so I'm just a ball of anxiety rn :')

if it means anything to anyone I can probably clear myself by tomorrow
but like
lol game

gonna go read now

Good luck with the conference!

oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

What are the chances of roles being doubled up in a role madness game? Like does it happen often?

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:35 pm Anyway, done with the silly self-centered reads now, got that out of my system.

These are good reads, feel free to continue pursuing them if you feel there is more meat on the bone.

I don’t think it’s necessary for the entire mafia team to approach a specific player in the same manner, but I do think it can be telling to compare how Player A and Player B treat you when we know Player A was mafia.

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:37 pm What are the chances of roles being doubled up in a role madness game? Like does it happen often?

It's theoretically possible pretty easily I'd say, a role of each alignment, or something like a JOAT that can double with a role.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:38 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:35 pm Anyway, done with the silly self-centered reads now, got that out of my system.

These are good reads, feel free to continue pursuing them if you feel there is more meat on the bone.

I don’t think it’s necessary for the entire mafia team to approach a specific player in the same manner, but I do think it can be telling to compare how Player A and Player B treat you when we know Player A was mafia.

It just crossed my mind that it seemed pretty... chaotic, or like, Owner was actively sort of working against nutella or something, it was a passing thought.

Keeping my vote on bad bunny to signal that I still think that's a worthy place to continue pressure, but I'll likely move at some point.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

oh wild tbh
do scum get to choose who does the kill on this site?

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:35 pm omg hugs, you got this!!!!!!!!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm Good luck with the conference!

Ty both <3

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:39 am @MacDougall
Vote Hawk!

I'm still in catch up mode but could you explain to me why hawk is a better yeet than owner?

derpclear denied etc etc but also I'd like an answer

Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

Tbh I'm agreeing with Allcrab that bunny probably doesn't care this little as scum. Last time I saw her play scum she was pretty involved and solvy, until we mechanically miscleared her, then she dropped off the radar significantly. She's far from clear here and she evidently doesn't care about changing that

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

oh wild tbh
do scum get to choose who does the kill on this site?

It’s a requirement in any game like this one, yes.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

oh wild tbh
do scum get to choose who does the kill on this site?

That is the standard, yes. Why do you ask?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

Depends on the flavor of cheesecake.

@Owner of a Lonely Heart requesting you gift fruit to me tonight, if you're not lynched today anyway. Also please nobody block either of us.

Or just vig her if we're that confident, depending on the flip.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:45 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

oh wild tbh
do scum get to choose who does the kill on this site?

It’s a requirement in any game like this one, yes.

in which case it's a hilarious concept that anyone thinks I'd agree to do the kill after the recency bias of day end in a role madness game
but oh well
like that likelihood is definitely not higher than the likelihood of gavial roleblocking literally anyone in the game and the kill also being stopped by something else in role madness

Can I just double check that day doesn't end in like 2 hours and it's actually more like 26
Kito's talking like it's twilight xD

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

Depends on the flavor of cheesecake.

So if you could choose any cheesecake flavor, you'd choose cheesecake then?

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:45 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

oh wild tbh
do scum get to choose who does the kill on this site?

It’s a requirement in any game like this one, yes.

in which case it's a hilarious concept that anyone thinks I'd agree to do the kill after the recency bias of day end in a role madness game
but oh well
like that likelihood is definitely not higher than the likelihood of gavial roleblocking literally anyone in the game and the kill also being stopped by something else in role madness

I put no stock in Gavial's mechanical claims about you, if it helps. It is a non-factor in my read of you.
What is your read of him?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:50 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

Depends on the flavor of cheesecake.

So if you could choose any cheesecake flavor, you'd choose cheesecake then?

Yes, if I had my choice.

To be clear Gavial’s claim is not very high on my list of reasons to vote hawataine. It’s there and should be considered, but mechanics in role madness trend hard toward silliness.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:49 pm Can I just double check that day doesn't end in like 2 hours and it's actually more like 26
Kito's talking like it's twilight xD

We have 24.5 hours

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:49 pm Can I just double check that day doesn't end in like 2 hours and it's actually more like 26
Kito's talking like it's twilight xD

it doesn't? oh

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:50 pm I put no stock in Gavial's mechanical claims about you, if it helps. It is a non-factor in my read of you.
What is your read of him?

Fair enough

I have been avoiding commenting on him because my only experience with him is a game I'm currently modding on MafC - I will let you know once it ends tho

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:37 pm What are the chances of roles being doubled up in a role madness game? Like does it happen often?

Possible, not super likely but possible

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:50 pm I put no stock in Gavial's mechanical claims about you, if it helps. It is a non-factor in my read of you.
What is your read of him?

Fair enough

I have been avoiding commenting on him because my only experience with him is a game I'm currently modding on MafC - I will let you know once it ends tho

Any thought in general on the suspicion against you today?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:23 am I feel good about Sloonei and JJJ, I did feel good about Joseph until this post:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:05 am Strong town
Jay
Sonny
Guillo
Tangy

Town leans
Gnome
Alison
Martin I guess sheeping alison
Dana
Mac
Sloonei
Hawk? Liked their style
Act maybe at this point

Gav Nook LC are more tbd
Dont remember anyone else

Going to sleep for like 12 hours gl

There is 1 wolf between Jay, Sonny and Tangy. Nutella had more deep and meaningful interactions with Tangy than Jay and Sonny up to this point. She made no effort to defend Jay from me when I tried to push him nor did any kind of "Jay is just town" deflated shit so that means she probably was enjoying him getting pushed and just townreads him here to pocket him. So the mafia between them is probably Sonny.

In the leans I would say that Martin, Hawk and Act are probably not mafia because she would be too conscious of over-elaboration as a tell. There is probably 1 mafia in this list though and it is probably Garden Gnome.

There is probably one between Gavial and Long Con also.

The whole "one wolf between" thing feels like a wolf tactic to me, to get the named parties to scramble to prove that "It's the other guy then, not me!"

Now I am having feelings like a recent game where Joseph flipped wolf.

I don't buy this turnaround at all.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

Do you know what this sounds like sloonei

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:42 pm derpclear denied etc etc but also I'd like an answer

Yes

So does this day end up boiling down to whether we listen to drunk Seanzie or high Gavial?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

Do you know what this sounds like sloonei

Are you going to say Tea Em Eye?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:12 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

Do you know what this sounds like sloonei

Are you going to say Tea Em Eye?

I was going to say it sounds like a mafia that got blocked carrying the kill but


Now I'm doing a sudden 180 and I think hawk is town

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:12 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

Do you know what this sounds like sloonei

Are you going to say Tea Em Eye?

I was going to say it sounds like a mafia that got blocked carrying the kill but


Now I'm doing a sudden 180 and I think hawk is town

The former is what gavial has been asserting all day. I don’t care much about it at all.

Nothing irritates me more than people who won’t read between the lines and assume all I’m doing is putting a vote down. Yup. I suspect Dana. My vote is still there I don’t suspect anymore right now more than I suspect Dana. No one else other than Guillotine has questioned Dana (I think? Correct me if I’m wrong), and so that tells me I may need to step back from this a bit and reassess. But until anything else strikes more me, my vote stays there.

People like to read me for meta because I’m a bit of a crazy person in mafia, but my meta is all over the place especially since returning, and I invite anyone to read through my past games on MafC to get a more informed idea of my play style. I wary of claims like Seanzie’s in which he declared my meta as the main reason for suspecting me and then cited playing in current games with me. If he was paying attention to my game play as much as he’s suggesting he has (so far as to read me for it), then he’d know better than to think I have any consistent meta. Lost Monkey and Owner have also contributed to reads on me based on Meta. LoMo is mostly sheeping those reads from Seanzie though (maybe a couple sprinkles are his own). Owner is reading me on meta saying this isn’t my scum meta. I imagine they aren’t all scum, but they all know better. Is Owner trying to pacify me? While Seanzie and LoMo are shading me? Idk, but I know they know my meta is NOT a reliable source of reading me. However, it is the easiest way to shade me because half the players here (maybe a little more than half?) don’t know me and may not have the energy to check out if it’s reliable information. I get it, some people naturally play with meta in mind, but I think it’s the easiest crutch for scum, especially in a game where many people can’t verify.

Anyway, that’s my meta gripe. Other than that, those touting I’ve done nothing but suspect Dana are simply not reading my posts. I question people, and those questions are motivated to move the game in a way that helps me figure stuff out. Belzy’s flip does change some ideas of mine, and it does relieve some of my suspicion on Dana. That said, Owner’s responses to my questions did not satisfy me, and her meta read on me has me like . I’m looking at this push on Owner though, and I’m not sure I like Seanzie here. His meta read on me and refusal to back up his statements sat uncomfortably with me. That’s sort of informing my opinion on this yeet push right now.

Jay insists I’m doing nothing but suspecting Dana and that my interaction with Nutella firms me up as scum. From the looks of it, I suspect Jay is able to read quite well between the lines, and so I’d imagine then that could see what I was doing aside from just voting for Dana. ISOs, and whatever this interactives thing is don’t impress me. Anyone can sit there and collect quotes and analyze them and arrive at varying interpretations. This is literally what I do with my students on a daily basis, and I know very well how easy it is for scum to put in the effort to collect all this data and present findings that appear like town musings. What this does though is more scum motivated than town motivate (I KNOW very few agree with that). But scum can be very influential in this way and manipulate town. Town sees the work, reads the work as being town motivated (because look at all that work!) and then takes those words at higher value. Now scum can convince the players to vote in the direction they choose. I’m not at a point to say Jay is scum for it, but he’s definitely not town for it.

Dana’s expanded reads list paired with the other posts she’s had have me leaning scum on her. Which I’ve explained. Don’t want me talking about Dana, don’t question me on why my vote is still there. Maybe Dana is town and I’ve got it wrong. I’m not out here yelling at you all to vote Dana. What is my motive as scum to keep my vote there? At EoD1, people asked me to move my vote off Dana and onto one of the wagons. Idk which tbh. And I didn’t. I was under a microscope at some point last day phase for suspecting Dana...what is my scum motive for throwing that spotlight back on myself?

Sonny knows my play and has been a voice of reason for me in the past as town. He’s not doing that this game. So if we’re playing with meta, there’s that. I don’t feel great about Sonny, but it’s not a read I’m confident with.

That’s where I’m at currently.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:15 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:12 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:11 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:36 pm oh jeez gavial's claim really snowballed didn't it

I have a limited shot ability that I really don't want to claim but I did not go anywhere or do anything last night. Like literally nothing happened. Either he's lying or redirection etc. has happened

I’m pretty sure his entire claim os that he targeted you with a roleblock. There does not need to be a lie on either end here.

Do you know what this sounds like sloonei

Are you going to say Tea Em Eye?

I was going to say it sounds like a mafia that got blocked carrying the kill but


Now I'm doing a sudden 180 and I think hawk is town

The former is what gavial has been asserting all day. I don’t care much about it at all.

I mean most of the time it is good to kill the person blocked on a night there was no kill


This specific time idgaf im ride or die with hawk town

Is there a reason aside from Gavial's insistence that y'all are voting for Hawkataine?