The Syndicate

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:49 am Ok Porscha is off my table for tripping a town tell by first time players with me that is almost never wrong tbh.

Unless you folks got some real strong meta.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:35 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:15 am @Achromatic What’s your problem with me? Is it specific or nebulous?

Well, you're one of two people in my PoE who is actually contributing so it puts you in an interesting place where you have a) posted a fair amount and b) I haven't felt really good about any of it. I think Nebulous is a good word for it. A big reason why I want others to dig into you and I want to iso you and see if I can find things I like. My favorite thing to do is to town read everyone in some way because that means I get to level up my suspicion criteria and further sort.

It's just so far I have two active(~) people I feel blah abut, and two people who don't contribute with Wilgy's early mindmeld of me only going so far. The tell as it relates to first time players reading me is so specific and accurate I'd be very surprised if Porscha is anything but v so in my current poe I have four names.

Now, Seanzie needs to get back here or it is what it is but I recall thinking they were very villagery yesterday, with the caveat that I am a metaless man.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:36 pm Their thoughts on me seem pretty nuanced and reasonable, and if they're actually doing the work to look up old games on me to defend me, even after I was suspecting them for them calling me obvtown yesterday, I'mma go ahead and say they're probably fine.

Ah there we go.

Also nanook going for porscha is an f

Current team poe is dizzy/axe/wilgy. Waiting on nanook to power up tomorrow for now.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:59 pm Conservative but reasonable.

Vivax you already changed to town, I am me, and porscha is a 'trust me bro' read that comes from my own experiences so nothing for you to comment on which leaves Flanders.

I thought the way they entered the thread felt reckless and more full of life than someone who just lost a partner would enter it. Their specific problems and omgusing ender exactly as they did felt unmotivated and picking a fight in a way that I can't see a scum who is behind the eyeball doing with such gusto day 2.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:05 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:57 pmI'm lost lol

I was thinking we should just flip Porscha here. Thoughts?

Over my dead body tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:49 am Ok Porscha is off my table for tripping a town tell by first time players with me that is almost never wrong tbh.

Unless you folks got some real strong meta.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:35 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:15 am @Achromatic What’s your problem with me? Is it specific or nebulous?

Well, you're one of two people in my PoE who is actually contributing so it puts you in an interesting place where you have a) posted a fair amount and b) I haven't felt really good about any of it. I think Nebulous is a good word for it. A big reason why I want others to dig into you and I want to iso you and see if I can find things I like. My favorite thing to do is to town read everyone in some way because that means I get to level up my suspicion criteria and further sort.

It's just so far I have two active(~) people I feel blah abut, and two people who don't contribute with Wilgy's early mindmeld of me only going so far. The tell as it relates to first time players reading me is so specific and accurate I'd be very surprised if Porscha is anything but v so in my current poe I have four names.

Now, Seanzie needs to get back here or it is what it is but I recall thinking they were very villagery yesterday, with the caveat that I am a metaless man.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:36 pm Their thoughts on me seem pretty nuanced and reasonable, and if they're actually doing the work to look up old games on me to defend me, even after I was suspecting them for them calling me obvtown yesterday, I'mma go ahead and say they're probably fine.

Ah there we go.

Also nanook going for porscha is an f

Current team poe is dizzy/axe/wilgy. Waiting on nanook to power up tomorrow for now.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:59 pm Conservative but reasonable.

Vivax you already changed to town, I am me, and porscha is a 'trust me bro' read that comes from my own experiences so nothing for you to comment on which leaves Flanders.

I thought the way they entered the thread felt reckless and more full of life than someone who just lost a partner would enter it. Their specific problems and omgusing ender exactly as they did felt unmotivated and picking a fight in a way that I can't see a scum who is behind the eyeball doing with such gusto day 2.

Worth noting I don't think he has explained this magic read at this point. It's just pure shield with nothing to back it up.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:05 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:57 pmI'm lost lol

I was thinking we should just flip Porscha here. Thoughts?

Over my dead body tbh

over his dead body?

You can't say things like this as a town leader and survive when the person you shield flips wolf... it's no bueno.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:49 am Ok Porscha is off my table for tripping a town tell by first time players with me that is almost never wrong tbh.

Unless you folks got some real strong meta.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:35 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:15 am @Achromatic What’s your problem with me? Is it specific or nebulous?

Well, you're one of two people in my PoE who is actually contributing so it puts you in an interesting place where you have a) posted a fair amount and b) I haven't felt really good about any of it. I think Nebulous is a good word for it. A big reason why I want others to dig into you and I want to iso you and see if I can find things I like. My favorite thing to do is to town read everyone in some way because that means I get to level up my suspicion criteria and further sort.

It's just so far I have two active(~) people I feel blah abut, and two people who don't contribute with Wilgy's early mindmeld of me only going so far. The tell as it relates to first time players reading me is so specific and accurate I'd be very surprised if Porscha is anything but v so in my current poe I have four names.

Now, Seanzie needs to get back here or it is what it is but I recall thinking they were very villagery yesterday, with the caveat that I am a metaless man.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:36 pm Their thoughts on me seem pretty nuanced and reasonable, and if they're actually doing the work to look up old games on me to defend me, even after I was suspecting them for them calling me obvtown yesterday, I'mma go ahead and say they're probably fine.

Ah there we go.

Also nanook going for porscha is an f

Current team poe is dizzy/axe/wilgy. Waiting on nanook to power up tomorrow for now.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:59 pm Conservative but reasonable.

Vivax you already changed to town, I am me, and porscha is a 'trust me bro' read that comes from my own experiences so nothing for you to comment on which leaves Flanders.

I thought the way they entered the thread felt reckless and more full of life than someone who just lost a partner would enter it. Their specific problems and omgusing ender exactly as they did felt unmotivated and picking a fight in a way that I can't see a scum who is behind the eyeball doing with such gusto day 2.

Worth noting I don't think he has explained this magic read at this point. It's just pure shield with nothing to back it up.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:05 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:57 pmI'm lost lol

I was thinking we should just flip Porscha here. Thoughts?

Over my dead body tbh

over his dead body?

You can't say things like this as a town leader and survive when the person you shield flips wolf... it's no bueno.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:16 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:12 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:08 pm With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.

As much as I like spicy chops. The bolded I just can't see myself supporting ... or occurring. Vivax comes off weird when you are kinda just playing detached but if you look closely he has moments of extremely deep solving mindset. Achro is just level 1 too prominent lol.

Achromatic is definitely the most fun chop.

We are natural rivals. Top poster and no poster. It is understandable why you lust for my blood.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:49 am Ok Porscha is off my table for tripping a town tell by first time players with me that is almost never wrong tbh.

Unless you folks got some real strong meta.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:35 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:15 am @Achromatic What’s your problem with me? Is it specific or nebulous?

Well, you're one of two people in my PoE who is actually contributing so it puts you in an interesting place where you have a) posted a fair amount and b) I haven't felt really good about any of it. I think Nebulous is a good word for it. A big reason why I want others to dig into you and I want to iso you and see if I can find things I like. My favorite thing to do is to town read everyone in some way because that means I get to level up my suspicion criteria and further sort.

It's just so far I have two active(~) people I feel blah abut, and two people who don't contribute with Wilgy's early mindmeld of me only going so far. The tell as it relates to first time players reading me is so specific and accurate I'd be very surprised if Porscha is anything but v so in my current poe I have four names.

Now, Seanzie needs to get back here or it is what it is but I recall thinking they were very villagery yesterday, with the caveat that I am a metaless man.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 1:36 pm Their thoughts on me seem pretty nuanced and reasonable, and if they're actually doing the work to look up old games on me to defend me, even after I was suspecting them for them calling me obvtown yesterday, I'mma go ahead and say they're probably fine.

Ah there we go.

Also nanook going for porscha is an f

Current team poe is dizzy/axe/wilgy. Waiting on nanook to power up tomorrow for now.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 3:59 pm Conservative but reasonable.

Vivax you already changed to town, I am me, and porscha is a 'trust me bro' read that comes from my own experiences so nothing for you to comment on which leaves Flanders.

I thought the way they entered the thread felt reckless and more full of life than someone who just lost a partner would enter it. Their specific problems and omgusing ender exactly as they did felt unmotivated and picking a fight in a way that I can't see a scum who is behind the eyeball doing with such gusto day 2.

Worth noting I don't think he has explained this magic read at this point. It's just pure shield with nothing to back it up.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:05 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 6:57 pmI'm lost lol

I was thinking we should just flip Porscha here. Thoughts?

Over my dead body tbh

over his dead body?

You can't say things like this as a town leader and survive when the person you shield flips wolf... it's no bueno.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm Current POE:
Nook - Possibly sending ender over to save porcha with an Achro vote if I didnt point it out
Mac - Has conveniently been on not wolf while sussing wolf

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 7:26 pm Porscha tripped a big town tell when dealing with me today so it's either dizzy for the bad vibes or if wilgy just doesn't show up.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:44 pm damn it Porscha why has all your content been specifically crafted to make me like you lol

Yess

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:56 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:55 pm I dunno. On quick iso, achro spent a lot of time shading porscha early on.

Maybe I'm just low skill, but I don't see a good enough reason to distance that hard so early.

Declining achro vote unless someone can tell me why they're the best option. Other than death by paperwork

Yeah but when push came to shove it meant nothing. Porscha was under immediate duress from me, as was Tommy. Achro was also being suspected by me. Hardcore staged distancing is not just possible, it's critical. You can't clear Achro for making some posts that showed Porscha some pressure.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:08 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm Current POE:
Nook - Possibly sending ender over to save porcha with an Achro vote if I didnt point it out
Mac - Has conveniently been on not wolf while sussing wolf

You're being ignored for good reason btw.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 9:36 pm The way I see it, the best play is to kill Porscha.

The most fun play is to kill Achromatic.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:17 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:16 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:12 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 06, 2022 10:08 pm With the disclaimer that I haven't read 99% of posts in the thread, this is my list of optimal chops in no particular order (anyone off the list isn't viable for today):

Enderwiggin
Porscha
Achromatic
Vivax
DrWilgy

Each have pros and cons, and variable amounts of information potential.

As much as I like spicy chops. The bolded I just can't see myself supporting ... or occurring. Vivax comes off weird when you are kinda just playing detached but if you look closely he has moments of extremely deep solving mindset. Achro is just level 1 too prominent lol.

Achromatic is definitely the most fun chop.

We are natural rivals. Top poster and no poster. It is understandable why you lust for my blood.

Not relevant

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:23 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Aug 07, 2022 2:21 am Okay here's my analysis of the Vivax ISO in broader strokes:

Spoiler: show

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:49 am This game vibes very differently from other experiences so far. Almost higher pitch, but maybe it's just the different site.
If you've got tips on how to compact the posts, I'll gladly take them.
Bit fried right now, but am more or less caught up on a first read and still far from having any idea how to approach the game.

Find the roster fairly hard to read, would probably throw a townread on kuti in for starters.
MacDougall quite the apparition, as usual. I'll keep him at a cautious null instead of voting him I think. Though he has already caused a good cleave in the thread based on his alignment, so on the townier side. Will decide later if I sheep.
Dyslexicon went into subduction after game start and someone instacalled them mafia.

After reviewing my first reaction upon checking in briefly, I won't really go Flanders but vibes from Dr.Wilgy felt alright at first glance.

This post is controlled and certified for my mafia meta TM

Townread on Sabi, slight townreads on Mac/Dr Wilgy, observation that people called Dizzy wolf.

This is a very "Observation instead of participation" style post, which vibes as wolf to me.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:33 am Thanks a lot. ISOs accessible like back on my homesite then.

On a reread, Seanzie and Achro stick out to me.
Achro more in their own category compared to lucy-kuti exchanges. Self-conscious early posts.
The vote on Lucy by Achro after being pinged my Mac reads really like a nervous snap reaction. Got a caveat for intentionality here, it's an elegant way to force a null read on it.
Feels like town-town though. Both sides seem to attempt an entrapment of the other.

At the bottom of P3 I spot this which gives me somewhat wolfy vibes. Mostly cause of the wolfreads which come across as a hasty mini-PoE, and cause I'm secretly hoping that the T-T interpretation is TMI and aligns with mine.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:35 pm Neat, Mac is town

Achro town

Lucy W

Sabi W

Sabi I am likely to flippy floppy on.

Seanzie stuck out cause he gave me the impression overall of being a head periodically emerging from the ground to drop off the spiciest and most impetuous take of the moment with little regard for its validity. I don't know how I should classify that strategy yet.
Tommy feeling a bit overwhelmed? I'd guess, not really a lot of oomph in the posts but I suppose that could be townie.

Again a very "Observational" style post.

Being generous I'll call that tonal style for now and assume it's NAI. Flip on Dr Wilgy with little actual care for his previous read.

Already noted the soft townread of Tommy.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:12 am Lucy, DrWilgie, Porscha currently where I'd look at the most for mafia. Preference for DrWilgie.

Wilgie's townread on Mac-Achro felt a bit like TMI snap reaction to seeing vote on Lucy and the later explanation that they were going to do it but didn't because achro did it first...is feh.
Lucy cause the tone seems a bit electrified, very keen on being generally helpful, and some association bias from reading Wilgie's reaction.
Porscha cause of post saying they didn't really have an opinion on Sean. Acceptable, but also comes across as lazy to me and embracing the convenience of early days to withhold information as mafia is legitimate. Not going to charge here for now.
Nook, Rondo worth a look into. Openwolfy perhaps?

Don't know why but Rondo makes me think of a floodgate struggling to keep itself shut. But I tend to imagine things sometimes.

Sean on a null with emphasis. Some posts would impress me if wolf. I know I said it already but I'll say it again after an ISO.

The reasoning for the wolfreads is shallow as hell, but presented as if it should be good. Then adding the other two with a vague statement at the end.

But then this:

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:32 am You found the same post by Wilgie as scum but just went on a wild safari, sort of.
I don't know what that makes you yet, but I can assume you'd vote Wilgie at some point hopefully.

I had a feeling I shouldn't carelessly slap an alignment on you.

Suggests he should be townleaning Rondo?

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:50 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:39 am Nice to see you again, @Vivax

Hey there, feeling's mutual. So far in the two games we played together you were one of the rare types I would only hesitantly want to call mafia. Was a nice surprise to see you in the playerlist.
Leaning town here cause you manage to confidently use a fraction of your possible effort while conversing.

Maybe you can help me out with the Rondo, Nook slots and chime in on the current hot potato named DrWilgy making its rounds (which would be my vote if I laid it down currently).

Sudden flat townread on Dizzy.

I will note at this point:
Town!Dizzy has a tendency to be pocketed most easily by townreading them confidently. (Yes, absolutely something you can level at me, feel free.)

Vivax knows Dizzy.

I'm levelling that accusation at Vivax.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:59 am I'm conflicted whether I should indulge Dougall in voting him while thinking he's town. No hammers anyway, so why bother. But maybe a halo will pop out above his head after a certain amount.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:51 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:50 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:39 am Nice to see you again, @Vivax

Hey there, feeling's mutual. So far in the two games we played together you were one of the rare types I would only hesitantly want to call mafia. Was a nice surprise to see you in the playerlist.
Leaning town here cause you manage to confidently use a fraction of your possible effort while conversing.

Maybe you can help me out with the Rondo, Nook slots and chime in on the current hot potato named DrWilgy making its rounds (which would be my vote if I laid it down currently).

Why not lay down your vote already?

Because I'm a tad tired and burnt out and posting + voting around here makes me feel like I should hold the game to a higher standard, it's taking me a longer time to decide how to wrap up a post.
For no particularly discernible reason except maybe an abundance of interesting players. Or the old-school design of the site having something like a special touch.
I'm posting closer to my mafia meta for that reason. Self conscious something something.

Here is about the point I start seeing fur myself.

This is Vivax being very aware of how close they are to standard wolf!Meta.

That's actually not a good look, in my experience, as often wolves are much more spacially aware of being close to their usual wolf habits without other people bringing it up.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:05 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:02 am Lowkey prepared to lock town wilgy

Are you TMIing me town cause I scumread them?

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:14 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:08 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:05 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:02 am Lowkey prepared to lock town wilgy

Are you TMIing me town cause I scumread them?

What

Sorry. I just have the funny experience that I either nail reads at once or do the exact opposite and wolf side, until I decide to invert my view of the game after pestering towns to the point you could cook an egg on their head.
I thought maybe you were aware of that and since I was scumreading Wilgy you were pre-emptively inverting my read for that and the jab was directed at me. Seems just like an egocentrism issue on my part though.

Haven't looked at axe and flanders too intensely, but it looked like they were overwhelmingly paying attention to each other last I checked iirc. Very informative.

This is a really WEIRD interaction. I honestly don't have an alignment to slap on it.

And yes I'm aware, "weird" is a way to call something wolfy. But tbh I don't think this is specifically wolfy. Or towny. I think this is Vivax Indicative, nothing else.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:38 am Hey Kuti!
You can feel alarmed by the TR on you if you wish. I don't see a point in changing it in this gamestate.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:31 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:32 am You found the same post by Wilgie as scum but just went on a wild safari, sort of.
I don't know what that makes you yet, but I can assume you'd vote Wilgie at some point hopefully.

I had a feeling I shouldn't carelessly slap an alignment on you.

@Vivax can you explain this

Based on this post Rondo should have slapped a vote on Wilgy but decided to do a bit of stampeding elsewhere instead.
I couldn't help but imagine a chainspew of Lucy<-Wilgy<-Rondo at that point in the game.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:35 pm Neat, Mac is town

Achro town

Lucy W

Sabi W

Sabi I am likely to flippy floppy on.

so you are wolf?

I don't have a solid thought on this post. It's an explanation.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:49 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:40 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:38 am Hey Kuti!
You can feel alarmed by the TR on you if you wish. I don't see a point in changing it in this gamestate.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:31 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 7:32 am You found the same post by Wilgie as scum but just went on a wild safari, sort of.
I don't know what that makes you yet, but I can assume you'd vote Wilgie at some point hopefully.

I had a feeling I shouldn't carelessly slap an alignment on you.

@Vivax can you explain this

Based on this post Rondo should have slapped a vote on Wilgy but decided to do a bit of stampeding elsewhere instead.
I couldn't help but imagine a chainspew of Lucy<-Wilgy<-Rondo at that point in the game.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 10:35 pm Neat, Mac is town

Achro town

Lucy W

Sabi W

Sabi I am likely to flippy floppy on.

so you are wolf?

Why would Rondo do that?

Getting triggered by obviwolf post from teammate maybe? Then proceed to be an elephant in a China store to do a dance for MacDougall and you.
Or if he's wolf independently from Doc, leave behind a bad trace to them?
He's probably a better recipient for that question. I can just show you the imaginary extensions of my guesses.

Being generous, this is the kind of post that makes me doubt my scumread because it's such a convoluted tunnel to go down as scum.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:50 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:22 am So I have wolfreads on Achro, Axe, Flanders, Tommy, Vivax.

How many wolves are in this game?

Great reads but Vivax isn't mafia they are just an awkward human lol.

I don't see why you're treating the two as mutually exclusive.
And my mood today is no indicator for a future one. Every time I log back on, the mental wheel is spun anew.

Note: Here I'm already sussing Tommy!

I'm just calling this AI because the levels of Wifom I can get to here.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:56 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:55 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:50 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 8:22 am So I have wolfreads on Achro, Axe, Flanders, Tommy, Vivax.

How many wolves are in this game?

Great reads but Vivax isn't mafia they are just an awkward human lol.

I don't see why you're treating the two as mutually exclusive.
And my mood today is no indicator for a future one. Every time I log back on, the mental wheel is spun anew.

Because I am pretty sure he's just scumreading you cuz ur weird and he needs to know that's NAI for you lol.

And beyond that I just think you're town.

Imagine carrying so much weirdness around but not on the outside in serious contexts. Of course I let it flow freely in a virtual space, it's a playful side of the same coin wherein the other is a very composed appearance.
I'm not sure if I should believe you are scumreading Achro or if it's just bait, but in the latter case it's probably expired.

Still NAI.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:18 am

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 1:26 am Rondo and Seanzie on Mac eh. That looks fun

Vote Mac

Don't have history on this.

More weird posts, which I'll ignore for now.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:45 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:41 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:38 am

Achromatic wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:29 am FWIW I don't feel good about Porscha/Tommy being a team just based off the almost mocking way Porscha asked Tommy for their FM experience after Tommy was like 'oh Rondo is a player'

can you pull quotes

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 12:07 am

Tommy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 03, 2022 11:30 pm Ohhh rondo is a player

how much FM have you played

I just found something so sincere in this question that my mind immediately went 'not aligned' tbh

Seems like a neutral question to me.
With a concealed payload of rondo pocketing.

I have thoughts.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:46 am Wolves don't need to pocket other wolves is a conspiracy theory tbh
But if Porscha W will be an interesting controversial angle to check for spew.

Meh, this is kinda bad. But also like, nothing.

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:58 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:49 am

Vivax wrote: ↑Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:46 am Wolves don't need to pocket other wolves is a conspiracy theory tbh
But if Porscha W will be an interesting controversial angle to check for spew.

[VOTE: Vivax ] aubergine

Disagreeing is one thing, wolfreading me for valid logic another.
Ironically these are the most effective posts to avoid a backlash
from a player who was propagated to be a combatant

This is another "What" post.

I've decided I don't care to finish this. I just want to vote Achro and walk away.

I want to, but keeping the Porscha wagon intact is more important at this stage.

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm It literally makes no sense for the day 1 knows he has to deep wolf achro to shield anyone tbh. Literally 0.

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:56 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:55 pm I dunno. On quick iso, achro spent a lot of time shading porscha early on.

Maybe I'm just low skill, but I don't see a good enough reason to distance that hard so early.

Declining achro vote unless someone can tell me why they're the best option. Other than death by paperwork

Yeah but when push came to shove it meant nothing. Porscha was under immediate duress from me, as was Tommy. Achro was also being suspected by me. Hardcore staged distancing is not just possible, it's critical. You can't clear Achro for making some posts that showed Porscha some pressure.

I can see a lil world where your potential hard bus on Porscha d1 pisses off tommy so bad he quits.
Hates the forum.

Gets mod killed.

I buy my tinfoil at Costco

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:14 pm Like sure I shielded Tommy. But how was I shielding him? 'Don't overwhelm him so he has a chance to come in and show us something'

It wasn't even a town read it was a let the new player settle read and I think all of the time that's good for the game. Do you really think of that continued I would have been not tommy,, never? I wanted the thread to be about more active players to solve.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:07 pm Never say sabi is wrong

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:15 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:56 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:55 pm I dunno. On quick iso, achro spent a lot of time shading porscha early on.

Maybe I'm just low skill, but I don't see a good enough reason to distance that hard so early.

Declining achro vote unless someone can tell me why they're the best option. Other than death by paperwork

Yeah but when push came to shove it meant nothing. Porscha was under immediate duress from me, as was Tommy. Achro was also being suspected by me. Hardcore staged distancing is not just possible, it's critical. You can't clear Achro for making some posts that showed Porscha some pressure.

I can see a lil world where your potential hard bus on Porscha d1 pisses off tommy so bad he quits.
Hates the forum.

Gets mod killed.

I buy my tinfoil at Costco

Good angle. Like any tinfoiled angle

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:15 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm It literally makes no sense for the day 1 knows he has to deep wolf achro to shield anyone tbh. Literally 0.

Literally doing the most optimal thing in the circumstances makes no sense?

I don't like arguments like that, generally, cuz they're nonsense.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:08 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm Current POE:
Nook - Possibly sending ender over to save porcha with an Achro vote if I didnt point it out
Mac - Has conveniently been on not wolf while sussing wolf

You're being ignored for good reason btw.

because I used to town read you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:17 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:15 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:10 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:56 pm

Stupid Sexy Flanders wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 8:55 pm I dunno. On quick iso, achro spent a lot of time shading porscha early on.

Maybe I'm just low skill, but I don't see a good enough reason to distance that hard so early.

Declining achro vote unless someone can tell me why they're the best option. Other than death by paperwork

Yeah but when push came to shove it meant nothing. Porscha was under immediate duress from me, as was Tommy. Achro was also being suspected by me. Hardcore staged distancing is not just possible, it's critical. You can't clear Achro for making some posts that showed Porscha some pressure.

I can see a lil world where your potential hard bus on Porscha d1 pisses off tommy so bad he quits.
Hates the forum.

Gets mod killed.

I buy my tinfoil at Costco

Good angle. Like any tinfoiled angle

Yeah very creative except I didn't hard push Porscha on day 1 really at all, I just called her out as sus for TMIing me. I actually hard pushed Tommy who reacted by calling me a pedo so... maybe I'm a wolf for that yeah.

Or maybe the top poster in the game person who shielded both wolves and the dead town wanted to kill for funzies is mafia.

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:17 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:07 pm Never say sabi is wrong

Why vote no elim?

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:15 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm It literally makes no sense for the day 1 knows he has to deep wolf achro to shield anyone tbh. Literally 0.

Literally doing the most optimal thing in the circumstances makes no sense?

I don't like arguments like that, generally, cuz they're nonsense.

Oh gosh. Do you actually think it is most optimal when you need to survive day after day after day to leave yourself so exposed like I unintentionally have?

Bussing exists for a reason lmao. This game is probably a highlight reel for it.

Although forgetting porscha was nixon is going to be fun to discuss post game tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:20 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:15 pm

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm It literally makes no sense for the day 1 knows he has to deep wolf achro to shield anyone tbh. Literally 0.

Literally doing the most optimal thing in the circumstances makes no sense?

I don't like arguments like that, generally, cuz they're nonsense.

Oh gosh. Do you actually think it is most optimal when you need to survive day after day after day to leave yourself so exposed like I unintentionally have?

Bussing exists for a reason lmao. This game is probably a highlight reel for it.

Although forgetting porscha was nixon is going to be fun to discuss post game tbh

Yes I think defending your wolf partners is optimal.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:08 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm Current POE:
Nook - Possibly sending ender over to save porcha with an Achro vote if I didnt point it out
Mac - Has conveniently been on not wolf while sussing wolf

You're being ignored for good reason btw.

because I used to town read you?

No because your reads are atrocious because Nanook is the most townspewed player in the game and I know my alignment.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:08 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm Current POE:
Nook - Possibly sending ender over to save porcha with an Achro vote if I didnt point it out
Mac - Has conveniently been on not wolf while sussing wolf

You're being ignored for good reason btw.

because I used to town read you?

No because your reads are atrocious because Nanook is the most townspewed player in the game and I know my alignment.

Or because my reads are atrocious because I am town reading you so you keep me alive to keep shielding you

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:21 pm If achro flips V then who

If achro flips w then who

@everyone

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:18 pm Though I will say to MacDougall that when I decided to do no elimination out of nowhere, Achromatically tried to pull me to Dyslexicon.
But town openwolfing isn't out of the ordinary here.

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:21 pm If achro flips V then who

If achro flips w then who

@everyone

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:21 pm If achro flips V then who

If achro flips w then who

@everyone

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:21 pm If achro flips V then who

If achro flips w then who

@everyone

I have some good news for you, Sabi.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:21 pm If achro flips V then who

If achro flips w then who

@everyone

I have some good news for you, Sabi.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:08 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm Current POE:
Nook - Possibly sending ender over to save porcha with an Achro vote if I didnt point it out
Mac - Has conveniently been on not wolf while sussing wolf

You're being ignored for good reason btw.

because I used to town read you?

No because your reads are atrocious because Nanook is the most townspewed player in the game and I know my alignment.

Or because my reads are atrocious because I am town reading you so you keep me alive to keep shielding you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:18 pm Though I will say to MacDougall that when I decided to do no elimination out of nowhere, Achromatically tried to pull me to Dyslexicon.
But town openwolfing isn't out of the ordinary here.

I am not trying to make the argument that achro can't be town.

I am pointing out that his sins are far greater than anybody elses and he has to die for them for objective reasons.

Someone like Achro (15 years of forum mafia experience, personally invited to this game by King of Fuck Mountain himself) is more than capable of giving you reasons and rationalisations for openwolfing that sound legit. You have to punish the outcomes. The range is too wide. You can't let them get away with openly pushing pro wolf agenda.

If Achro is town probability simply indicates he wouldn't look like he does.

Walks like a duck and whatever.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:18 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:08 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:06 pm Current POE:
Nook - Possibly sending ender over to save porcha with an Achro vote if I didnt point it out
Mac - Has conveniently been on not wolf while sussing wolf

You're being ignored for good reason btw.

because I used to town read you?

No because your reads are atrocious because Nanook is the most townspewed player in the game and I know my alignment.

Or because my reads are atrocious because I am town reading you so you keep me alive to keep shielding you

Also if my reads are atrocious porcha doesnt go over last night. It ends in a tie or Ender. This just looks bad

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:21 pm If achro flips V then who

If achro flips w then who

@everyone

I have some good news for you, Sabi.

Do tell me

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:23 pm

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:21 pm If achro flips V then who

If achro flips w then who

@everyone

There's no who if he flips w.

I'm sorry I derped

Achromatic wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:24 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:22 pm

Vivax wrote: ↑Mon Aug 08, 2022 9:18 pm Though I will say to MacDougall that when I decided to do no elimination out of nowhere, Achromatically tried to pull me to Dyslexicon.
But town openwolfing isn't out of the ordinary here.

I am not trying to make the argument that achro can't be town.

I am pointing out that his sins are far greater than anybody elses and he has to die for them for objective reasons.

Someone like Achro (15 years of forum mafia experience, personally invited to this game by King of Fuck Mountain himself) is more than capable of giving you reasons and rationalisations for openwolfing that sound legit. You have to punish the outcomes. The range is too wide. You can't let them get away with openly pushing pro wolf agenda.

If Achro is town probability simply indicates he wouldn't look like he does.

Walks like a duck and whatever.

Or you just don't punish the sins as one of them especially is heavily interfered with by intervention.

Porscha day 2 oopsie I like to think me coming back around to it is better but sure only I can know that one was an oopsie lol