The Syndicate

juliets wrote:

bea wrote:I agree with hedgie that the switch will hopefully help us from lynching yet another civ. Seems to me like the best tool to put in our toolbox right now. I know I'm a civ and I have pretty good feelings about canuck. I know she was wrong about goosey, but I think she was coming from a civ point of view.

I need to mull over the cases on LC and JC. I've gone back and forth on JC all game. LC's felt civ to me all game, but now's about the time I start getting paranoid that he's pulling the wool over my eyes yet again.

But how do we know a civ will win the contest?

Oh wait - I see what you're saying. You or Canuck have to win and you know you're a civ and you're pretty sure Canuck is. I understand your logic now.

The only two people I saw submit an entry were canuck and I. I know I'm a civ and I have good feelings about canuck.

Did I miss where the submissions were admissible by pm? I thought we were supposed to post them to the thread? Did I mess this up too?

linki.- yea - unless I missed something?

After thinking about that logic, and having given up my suspicion of bea since the MM lynch was not a save of Mongoose, I agree with the logic. I'm changing my vote.

Damn it we cant change our votes on this one.

I think all of them are pretty good prizes tbh.

I voted for a Rez because I think it's the most transparent option. All the deadies roles and alignments are revealed, so there's really no way for a baddie to manipulate things without being totally obvious.
Since the only candidates to win are bea and I, and since I'm unsure of bea's alignment and don't really have a read on her at all, I went with the option that seemed least likely to be able to be used to benefit the baddies effectively.

There are two Prince Herberts???

What will the winner of the Tribute to DP win?
Poll runs till Sat Sep 20, 2014 7:09:17 pm


A Lynch Switch
2
Hedgeowl (3), bea (13) 15%
A Protection
0
No votes
A Night Kill
0
No votes
A Block
2
nijuukyugou (9), juliets (10) 15%
A Rezz
2
Boogs (11), Canucklehead (12) 15%
A +2 Vote
0
No votes
Instant Winner of Game!/Hosts/GOD/Mod/EE
7
Roxy (1), MovingPictures07 (2), Epignosis (4), Made (5), DisgruntledPorcupine (6), fingersplints (7), Metalmarsh89 (8) 54%
Total votes : 13


There were 3 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

lynch switch
block
rezz
Timestamp: 2014-09-20 21:48:12 UTC

Ni was killed she was the King of Swamp Castle a Civvie.

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Metalmarsh89 wrote:There are two Prince Herberts???

no u

Ooooh fatal attraction You know you can't resist these tentacles.

nijuukyugou wrote:

I......am very afraid of this image?

RIP Blooper.

I love the king of swamp castle in the movie.

Canucklehead wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:

I......am very afraid of this image?

Braaaaaaaains

RIP blooper. And I think the tentacle monster is cute with it's little blue eyes.

So do we really wanna vote JC? I dont see Bloop as her suspects. Do we think Hedgie instead might be the way to go? I just feel something off about how we all seemed to pile on Jc. I just keep reevaluating and i think its gonna be another train lynch wreck. I may even go back to Bullz or do Hedgie. I just feel so confused but i can see a lynch on JC to be wrong. I also find how Bullzeye didnt die to get suspicion back on me and how discussion on him stopped being weird. He was the one who started the Mongoose bandwagon and Hedgie supported it like a teammate.

Reading back and considering everything. There seems to be an assumption that the silencing role is bad. I noticed this while reading through boog's posts, but I think I've seen it in general. Just wondering where this idea comes from. I've seen silencing roles good and bad. Why are we thinking it's bad in this game? And what got us started with that train of thought?

Roxy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:There are two Prince Herberts???

no u

I am not a Prince Herbert

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:There are two Prince Herberts???

no u

I am not a Prince Herbert

I am, you guys should rezz me

nijuukyugou wrote:Yes, my son. And rezz me, too!

And also me!

It's been quiet and this worries me. Any thoughts on what i said? Again, I want to stress after a re read JC doesn't read bad. I think our heads should be looking at Hedgie for jumping on her so quickly or Bullzeye today. I still am not 100% sure if I was wrong about feeling Bullzye is bad, but it certainly makes him and and Hedge from who is left look like my suspects. I also strongly feel JC has been silenced today since I've seen her post in sign ups on the site and not here to defend herself at all. I think the original silencer and this silencer are all one in the same. If that is it, then that makes Bullzeye slightly not bad, or at least confirms he isn't on the same team as this silencer considering they are targeting people who get in discussion for the next lynch then make them zip their lips the next day. If Hedge and Bullz are both bad, they are on opposing teams because Bullzeye wouldnt risk silencing himself when he got that much suspicion from my comments and others. In conclusion, I think it should be Hedge in the case of Bullzeye is indeed Civ or on opposing bad teams, so we can make sure we def lynch a baddie today and not make a mistake if Bullz is civ. This is becoming a numbers games, and we can't keep making mistakes now.

HI Boogs I am not silenced, just have had a very bad week and this morning I slept very late. I've also spent some time looking at everyone who used the word "silenced" in their posts to try and follow up on Lorab's question.

I just don't know what else I can provide in my defense. I answered all of Hedgies concerns but she really seems determined to get me lynched. The baddies really do not want to use a nk on me so they are trying their best to pull in some civs to get me lynched. Meanwhile, I'm thinking we have maybe 4 (maybe more) baddies left and our numbers are dwindling. I don't want to see another civ lynch with people voting because they don't have the time to review the evidence and make a decision for themselves. I just don't know what else to do. If anyone has lingering concerns I wish they would speak up and let me respond instead of just being quiet and then voting for me toward the end of the day.

Bottom line, you are right Boogs in your thoughts I just don't know what more to do to try and get it across. I'm not baddie, I'm not indy, and I'm not neutral - I am a civ.

juliets wrote:HI Boogs I am not silenced, just have had a very bad week and this morning I slept very late. I've also spent some time looking at everyone who used the word "silenced" in their posts to try and follow up on Lorab's question.

I just don't know what else I can provide in my defense. I answered all of Hedgies concerns but she really seems determined to get me lynched. The baddies really do not want to use a nk on me so they are trying their best to pull in some civs to get me lynched. Meanwhile, I'm thinking we have maybe 4 (maybe more) baddies left and our numbers are dwindling. I don't want to see another civ lynch with people voting because they don't have the time to review the evidence and make a decision for themselves. I just don't know what else to do. If anyone has lingering concerns I wish they would speak up and let me respond instead of just being quiet and then voting for me toward the end of the day.

Bottom line, you are right Boogs in your thoughts I just don't know what more to do to try and get it across. I'm not baddie, I'm not indy, and I'm not neutral - I am a civ.

Glad to know you aren't silnced, but sorry to hear you had a bad week. I'm sorry I was wrong and thinking you were being blendy, when I go back and see how people reacted to your posts, I see it's more defensive Civ. I think Bullzeye could have pushed Mongoose innocently, however Hedge seemed to go along with that and then now you. I think they are opposite teams if both bad, but I think statistically we need to vote Hedge with a higher chance of being bad. I hope that there aren't 4 baddies left and just 2 or we are in a heap of trouble. I think I may be next tonight but I've only been spared because I've drawn attention and not been as talkative until recently. But we gotta start getting these lynches right.

I can do that boogs assuming there is not someone else I need to vote to save myself. You're right, we've got to do something to try and get the right people lynched.

I also think Hedge is probably bad. Her response to me saying the MM bandwagon came out of nowhere was a hugely defensive over-reaction. She claimed there had been loads of discussion on MM when there really hadn't and, as I've already shown, most of his voters had literally never discussed him even in their votes.

Boogs wrote:It's been quiet and this worries me. Any thoughts on what i said? Again, I want to stress after a re read JC doesn't read bad. I think our heads should be looking at Hedgie for jumping on her so quickly or Bullzeye today. I still am not 100% sure if I was wrong about feeling Bullzye is bad, but it certainly makes him and and Hedge from who is left look like my suspects. I also strongly feel JC has been silenced today since I've seen her post in sign ups on the site and not here to defend herself at all. I think the original silencer and this silencer are all one in the same. If that is it, then that makes Bullzeye slightly not bad, or at least confirms he isn't on the same team as this silencer considering they are targeting people who get in discussion for the next lynch then make them zip their lips the next day. If Hedge and Bullz are both bad, they are on opposing teams because Bullzeye wouldnt risk silencing himself when he got that much suspicion from my comments and others. In conclusion, I think it should be Hedge in the case of Bullzeye is indeed Civ or on opposing bad teams, so we can make sure we def lynch a baddie today and not make a mistake if Bullz is civ. This is becoming a numbers games, and we can't keep making mistakes now.

I agree with you about JC. I need to think on Hedge and Bullz. Also more and more nervous about Dana. And I don't much trust you, either. Not quite full on suspicion, mind you, but an eyeball and suspiciometer blip (which is smaller than a ping).

And 2 silencers? Huh?!

thellama73 wrote:

nijuukyugou wrote:Yes, my son. And rezz me, too!

And also me!

And while you're at it, I'll take one rezz please.

The vote ends in an hour and I'm going to have to vote pretty soon.

Juliets, the vote ends in 25 hours. You've got plenty of time

OH! I loked at that date wrong. Thanks bullz!

Hey all, sorry I haven't been around much, it's a combination of busy times and computer with hard drive sickness. Posting from my phone since forever, I have been keeping up, but I admit to possibly skimming some of the larger posts.

A recent thing caught my attention, Boogs, you mentioned Bullzeye might have voted Hedgeowl "innocently"... Does that implying you're now willing to consider him a Civvie, or did you just mean it as he didn't truly know what Hedgeowl was?

Just seemed like a vast departure from your previous stance on him.

I'll try to post more later, and respond to certain allegations.

LC if I said Hedge by mistake, it was meant to say Mongoose.

No, my bad, that is most likely what you said. I was mixed up, Hedgeowl is still alive, I meant Mongoose. Damn bird names.

Replace names, repeat question.

Boogs wrote:...might have pushed Mongoose innocently, however Hedge seemed to go along with that and then now you. I think they are opposite teams if both bad, but I think statistically we need to vote Hedge with a higher chance of being bad. I hope that there aren't 4 baddies left and just 2 or we are in a heap of trouble. I think I may be next tonight but I've only been spared because I've drawn attention and not been as talkative until recently. But we gotta start getting these lynches right.

there's the quote I was speaking of. Sorry for the abrupt cut-off at the beginning, phone editing is hard.

Long Con wrote:

Boogs wrote:...might have pushed Mongoose innocently, however Hedge seemed to go along with that and then now you. I think they are opposite teams if both bad, but I think statistically we need to vote Hedge with a higher chance of being bad. I hope that there aren't 4 baddies left and just 2 or we are in a heap of trouble. I think I may be next tonight but I've only been spared because I've drawn attention and not been as talkative until recently. But we gotta start getting these lynches right.

there's the quote I was speaking of. Sorry for the abrupt cut-off at the beginning, phone editing is hard.

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Quite alright. So do you think you too can support a Hedge vote today?

Boogs wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Boogs wrote:...might have pushed Mongoose innocently, however Hedge seemed to go along with that and then now you. I think they are opposite teams if both bad, but I think statistically we need to vote Hedge with a higher chance of being bad. I hope that there aren't 4 baddies left and just 2 or we are in a heap of trouble. I think I may be next tonight but I've only been spared because I've drawn attention and not been as talkative until recently. But we gotta start getting these lynches right.

there's the quote I was speaking of. Sorry for the abrupt cut-off at the beginning, phone editing is hard.

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Quite alright. So do you think you too can support a Hedge vote today?

How could I say no to a sweet li'l kitty cat like you?

bea wrote:@ dana - so that was the MM lynch then?

Yes, it was that day. 6 I think it was?

I'm really not sure how I feel about Hedge, since that seems to be who people are going after so far today. I don't think she is bad which means that she likely is since everyone I've thought was bad so far this game hasn't been. Also, I have a very good reason to trust Boogs, so if he's voting for Hedge, then I might also.

Dana wrote:

bea wrote:@ dana - so that was the MM lynch then?

Yes, it was that day. 6 I think it was?

I'm really not sure how I feel about Hedge, since that seems to be who people are going after so far today. I don't think she is bad which means that she likely is since everyone I've thought was bad so far this game hasn't been. Also, I have a very good reason to trust Boogs, so if he's voting for Hedge, then I might also.

A good reason to trust him? Let's go over Boogs' contribution to this game. For the first two thirds of play, he was basically a non-entity. Did nothing of value and I couldn't tell you one thing about him this game up until he faked a posting curse one day, and then the next shows up hinting at info against someone who had been conveniently silenced and completely unable to defend themselves. Since I've called him out on that he's backpedalled and acted like his 'info' may be unreliable (as opposed to made up). I still think Boogs is bad news but I know everyone thinks I'm only saying that because he tried to screw me over, so I don't bother pushing it. When you look at the facts though, I don't see how he could be trustworthy.

How do you feel about Hedgeowl then, Bullzeye?

I still think she can be bad. I've mentioned already I've felt she came off as needlessly defensive after I said the MM bandwagon came out of nowhere. Obviously we now know it wasn't a Mongoose save but even so I find her off in this game.

I have just noticed though, everyone but Hedge has posted today. So if anyone is silenced it'd be her.

Bullz - I think you might be right. Do you still feel hedgey could be bad even though silenced? I instninctively dislike voting for someone who can't defend.

bea wrote:Bullz - I think you might be right. Do you still feel hedgey could be bad even though silenced? I instninctively dislike voting for someone who can't defend.

I'm currently having that debate with myself in my head tbh. On the one hand, there could be two baddie teams or her team could even have targeted her in hope of keeping her out of discussion and giving her a bit of WIFOM to fall back on. On the other, the baddies could have done it hoping we'd bandwagon another civ and she'd not even defend herself. This is what I think they were hoping with me, and the primary reason for my distrust of Boogs. I think I need to re-re-read Hedge and decide just how strong my suspicion is of her before I make a decision about her. We need to start lynching baddies. There's getting less and less room for error.

Boogs, have you pressed the lynch of a silenced person two days in a row? I voted Hedgeowl when you asked to get some reactions, since we can change votes. This is suddenly more interesting to
me.

agreed there bullz - I have a couple meetings here in about an hour but I should be back well before the lynch closes and I'll have my phone on me.

Long Con wrote:Boogs, have you pressed the lynch of a silenced person two days in a row? I voted Hedgeowl when you asked to get some reactions, since we can change votes. This is suddenly more interesting to
me.

Not in a row, but yeah he has done it twice now. I've hesitated to go after Boogs to much for fear of just sounding like I'm mad at him for the fake info hints but let's objectively look at a list of his charges shall we?

- Blendier than the average chameleon for the first few days. Tried to vote for someone who wasn't on the poll during day 1 suggesting he wasn't even paying much attention.

- Faked a posting curse. Nobody else's posts have been affected by any kind of curse either before or since Boogs spent a day and night posting only in smilies. He himself has refused to comment on the matter. Keterman and Mongoose were brought up as people who'd seemed cursed but Kman had said he had a faulty keyboard and spent the majority of that same day posting normally while Mongoose's defense of Llama was clearly btsc motivated and not because she was forced to do so. Therefore, as nobody else in the entirety of this game has been so obviously cursed it is safe to assume Boogs chose to post smilies himself for an unknown reason in order to appear cursed.

- When I was silenced, Boogs made a bunch of posts blatantly hinting that he had info against me. When I confronted him about it he first claimed he 'knew I wasn't civ' but then began to backpedal like a lost cyclist.

- Dana, who has been blendy herself, seems to be vouching for him out of nowhere.

- He's now coming after Hedge on a day where she's apparently silenced. He also earlier in the day stated that JC was the one who appeared to have been silenced.

Am I really the only one who thinks all this adds up to suspicious?

You're not the only one, Bullz. Of the things you mentioned, I'm most concerned by Dana's vouch. It's just so out of the blue, and Dana's absence in the last few game days (even before she was silenced) and then her sudden appearance to defend Boogs is just odd. I'm more and more beginning to see this as a recruitment game, and I think maybe the baddies have been persuing a "recruit the quiet and blendy"-type strategy while we tear all the talkative people apart in the thread. I think Dana might be the most recent recruit, and I think that might explain her out-of-nowhere defense of Boogs.

I also think LoRab's point about the silencer possibly being civ is omsething we need to consider. Maybe people aren't being silenced becasue they're on to the baddies, maybe they're being silenced because a civ thinks they ARE a baddie?? Or maybe there is a bad silencer and a civ silencer, working on opposing nights? I dunno if that helps us narrow our thoughts any, but it is an interesting thing to keep in mind.

I honestly don't know where to vote today. I can see good cases for both Dana/Boogs or Bullz.....and maybe Hedge? I'm at a bit of a loss and attempting to rethink everything.