Arkham Mafia [ENDGAME]

[juliets]

I'm totally blown away. Did you read the rules Enrique?

[Turnip Head]

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT BATMAN turnip head is just a dirty liar pulling the two biggest mindfucks ive had in a mafia game lmfao

[Bullzeye]

After that I ISO'd YOU. And the first thing you said in the WHOLE game was "Batman!!!!" That was the moment it hit me. I even considered not saying anything in the thread because it would fuck me completely to track back, but I knew you were a very important role and lynching you would've been baaad. So I did my 180 and I believed you about Nero being the Joker and good things happened.

Did you ever stop to think that maybe he said Batman!!!! because this is a game based on the long-running popular comic franchise 'Batman'?

[Enrique]

It's all based on role-hinting, and I don't have any extra-thread info. This is no more an "outing" than any other time a baddie has been caught.

linki- it was th thay convinced me matt's first word just pushed me wayy over the edge

[DharmaHelper]

I cri evertim.

[juliets]

It's all based on role-hinting, and I don't have any extra-thread info. This is no more an "outing" than any other time a baddie has been caught.

linki- it was th thay convinced me matt's first word just pushed me wayy over the edge

Wait, baddie? I just don't understand what is going on here. Who is the baddie? I saw you mention two Wayne Manor roles.

[DharmaHelper]

TFW Enrique refers to Alfred and Batman as Baddie roles lol.

[Enrique]

TURNIP HEAD IS NOT ALFRED

[Bullzeye]

TFW Enrique refers to Alfred and Batman as Baddie roles lol.

Inb4 this entire game is based solely on that one-off where Alfred is the Joker and Enrique accidentally figured it out.

[S~V~S]

TFW Enrique refers to Alfred and Batman as Baddie roles lol.

I think you are misunderstanding what he is saying. I think he is saying TH is NOT Alfred, but is a baddie SAYING he is Alfred.

At least that is how I read his posts subsequent to Matt saying "I am not Batman

Linki~

[S~V~S]

...I think

[DharmaHelper]

That makes more sense. Marginally.

[Enrique]

What's confusing about this? The whole time I've been talking about how TH is a liar and if Matt was Batman my post would fuck him.

[Turnip Head]

Well I haven't lied about anything. I never claimed to be Alfred

[Marmot]

I have a prediction:

I will receive the most votes d3. Then zebra will receive the most votes d4. Then the town will mourn because both phases will have been wasting our time.

If you all are truly open-minded, I think you'll lynch MM tomorrow instead.

There are more mafia than marmots dead right now, let's keep it that way.

I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.

No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?

A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point

OK, so Wayne Manor must be baddies by your definition, since they can also win with the mafia and win with the GCPD. Same win con, must have the same label.

Hey guys I would like to join this conversation by introducing y'all to an innovative and never before seen alignment descriptor that might help you stop ripping each other's throats out: Neutral. As in, not necessarily anybody's enemy but not necessarily out for themselves. Like Switzerland. I think it's a nice word

inb4 everyone wants to lynch the neutral player.

I think Marmot's heard of that word before.

Have I ever lied to you?

I KNOW YOU'RE NOT BATMAN turnip head is just a dirty liar pulling the two biggest mindfucks ive had in a mafia game lmfao

[a2thezebra]

Well I haven't lied about anything. I never claimed to be Alfred

You really expect people to believe this?

[Marmot]

This thread... Guys...

[Golden]

I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.

No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?

A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point

OK, so Wayne Manor must be baddies by your definition, since they can also win with the mafia and win with the GCPD. Same win con, must have the same label.

Hey guys I would like to join this conversation by introducing y'all to an innovative and never before seen alignment descriptor that might help you stop ripping each other's throats out: Neutral. As in, not necessarily anybody's enemy but not necessarily out for themselves. Like Switzerland. I think it's a nice word

Actually I think the idea of independents being neutral is the problem for Enrique. He is right that they aren't neutral, especially since dead cops can win with their team. In theory, a perfect civ win would see all of the inmates dead. The ability for cops to win when dead puts the pressure on the town to take out all of the inmates. Perhaps this is why Epi and LC made the call that they did.

My problem is that I think he is betraying a mafia mindset. I thought so earlier in the game but backed away when I felt like he actually did understand where I'm coming from. But I'm now heading back to thinking he may be mafia.

[Turnip Head]

Well I haven't lied about anything. I never claimed to be Alfred

You really expect people to believe this?

Okay, I'm officially pinged by you. You've been calling me bad the past few days now. Did you also think I was claiming Alfred during that time?

[Turnip Head]

This thread... Guys...

I know right? This game is a hoot

[Enrique]

I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.

No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?

A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point

OK, so Wayne Manor must be baddies by your definition, since they can also win with the mafia and win with the GCPD. Same win con, must have the same label.

Hey guys I would like to join this conversation by introducing y'all to an innovative and never before seen alignment descriptor that might help you stop ripping each other's throats out: Neutral. As in, not necessarily anybody's enemy but not necessarily out for themselves. Like Switzerland. I think it's a nice word

Actually I think the idea of independents being neutral is the problem for Enrique. He is right that they aren't neutral, especially since dead cops can win with their team. In theory, a perfect civ win would see all of the inmates dead. The ability for cops to win when dead puts the pressure on the town to take out all of the inmates. Perhaps this is why Epi and LC made the call that they did.

My problem is that I think he is betraying a mafia mindset. I thought so earlier in the game but backed away when I felt like he actually did understand where I'm coming from. But I'm now heading back to thinking he may be mafia.

The first part is on point. The second I don't even really understand but I can live with for now I guess.

[Golden]

I am saying that your definition of side is worthless. Yes there are civs and there are baddies, but we don't always have the same baddies.

Matt are you fucking begging me to out you for some completely understandable reason? I know who you are quit this bullshit and realize we're on the same side.

No, you are refusing to answer the question. We all know there are baddies and we don't all have the same baddies. But that has no impact on the win condition of the inmates. The inmates can win with the mafia. They can also win with the GCPD. What label would you give to someone with that win con?

A BADDIE just like ive said the whole fucking game and youve known thos from day 0 so what is your point

OK, so Wayne Manor must be baddies by your definition, since they can also win with the mafia and win with the GCPD. Same win con, must have the same label.

There is quantitative evidence that Wayne Manor is interested in a civilian victory. They have almost no chance of winning if the cops lose. The same cannot be said for most of the inmates. I like to think that the inmates who can win with the civs will try to do so, and I feel okay about you but you are way too interested in lecturing about this point.

The reason I'm interested in lecturing about this point is because I think it is critically important to the civilian chances of winning this game.

[a2thezebra]

Well I haven't lied about anything. I never claimed to be Alfred

You really expect people to believe this?

Okay, I'm officially pinged by you. You've been calling me bad the past few days now. Did you also think I was claiming Alfred during that time?

"Lol ok"

[a2thezebra]

This post pretty much explains that I knew what you were doing trying to make Enrique think that you were Alfred. Naturally you ignored it.

I tactically stopped attacking my suspects from Day 1 today and it revealed some interesting stuff. Under the microscope Turnip Head contributed plenty of discussion. As soon as I took the microscope away his contribution to discussion screeched to a grinding halt. Why?

Bingo. He's only willing to talk about things when pressured. What he chooses to post (and when he chooses to post it) when no one is asking opinions from him is extremely sketchy. That's at least the second time he's popped in after a period of silence with "why do we fall" with no explanation whatsoever as to what he's even implying by asking it. To me it seems like he wants to appear as someone who has a sense of what would be good or bad actions for the players to take both with voting and with revealing certain information, but he doesn't want to elaborate on why because that would blow his cover and reveal that he's just phoning it in with regards to having an idea of what direction he thinks would be best for the game to go in.

[a2thezebra]

So yes, I were thinking that you were claiming to be Alfred at that time. You can say all you want that you didn't outright say it but that's beside the point, because if you had outright said it then it wouldn't have worked. Everyone would have seen through it.

[a2thezebra]

*was thinking

[a2thezebra]

And if you're wondering why I didn't call you out directly it's because your wool was the only reason Matt wasn't lynched.

[Enrique]

It's all over his posts. It's crystal clear to anybody looking.

[Golden]

It's all based on role-hinting, and I don't have any extra-thread info. This is no more an "outing" than any other time a baddie has been caught.

linki- it was th thay convinced me matt's first word just pushed me wayy over the edge

Wait, baddie? I just don't understand what is going on here. Who is the baddie? I saw you mention two Wayne Manor roles.

What Enrique means is that it is not outing somebody to speculate on who they are based on the thread alone. It's just making a case for why they are role x, and making a thread-based case as to why someone is role x town-aligned is no different from making a thread-based case as to why someone is role x mafia-aligned.

[Marmot]

It's all over his posts. It's crystal clear to anybody looking.

[Turnip Head]

It's all over his posts. It's crystal clear to anybody looking.

I thought you were somebody else before, but now I see ya bud.

[sig]

I think sprityo deserves a looksee tomorrow

I think sabie does. + ofc my bff sig

So I don't see that much on the DH teammate thing, the brief interaction is a ping, as is the fact he is know saying he was pushing Nero over me while he didn't actually vote for Nero nor did he really push him that much. However, that isn't much to go on. His reaction to SVS vote was more based on their past interactions imo.

I really like Mac's case on Zebra. I'll also add that throughout the day especially after Nero was gaining steam she tried to push people to lynch me instead of him.

Enrique mentioning Mr.Freeze is interesting.


Lol why are we talking about Epi's gameplay?

I've been pro-town as well but me not wanting to go after a newcomer (which Mac understandably thinks is unusual for me, though it isn't) does look purdy bad after their flip.

We can be pro-town buddies with terrible-looking d2 votes together then.

I think our votes look fine actually, and I'm still going to be voting for sig tomorrow if no one better comes up. Mac's teammate connection of me and Nero had little to do with my vote and more to do with how waffly we were with each other.

That's a good point.

In fact, if sig was Nero's teammate, that would make a lot of his comments yesterday sensible.

Lol okay, So Zebra who tried to get everyone not to vote for Nero but for me instead, will most likely be bandwagoning me again, and you think that is a good point? After voting for me yesterday during a freakout and then apologizing saying you'd be more open minded about me and regretted your vote, then you're agreeing with a player who has been close minded about me all game? Is Zebra your teammate MP?

I have a prediction:

I will receive the most votes d3. Then zebra will receive the most votes d4. Then the town will mourn because both phases will have been wasting our time.

If you all are truly open-minded, I think you'll lynch MM tomorrow instead.

What about sig?

He'll somehow get away until d6, then he'll die.

I don't understand this are you threatening to NK me or

This whole Enrique vs people thing is getting a little old imo :P
Right know I'm thinking he is wrong about me being anti town, however I don't think he is mafia I wouldn't vote for him tomorrow.

if i get lynched today y'all are honestly dumber than the civvies were back then in tree mafia.

i didnt get anything in the thread, matt. i couldve got you lynched and nothing wouldve happened but instead i ruined the whole fucking game for placing any faith in you. seriously you are a horrible civvie matt i dont even care at this point

linki- yup this is the zebra i hosted in of montreal.

hmm is that at me to since I subbed in to Tree mafia calling me stupid is kinda mean since I came in with such an epic post.

OOO Haven't gotten to it but I finally understand what Enrique saw lol that makes me feel much better about him. Nevermind I don't understand this at all. Never mind I just thought TH was making a stupid quote.

So let me get this right Enrique thought TH was Alfred and Matt was Batman which is why he was defending Matt. However, Enrique know thinks TH is a baddie pretending to be Alfred? Or does Zebra think that and Enrique is just confused? Can someone help me here?

[bea]

Awesome lynch result is awesome!

Also how am I 5 pages behind again?

So...

Nero defended Zebra from the big bads while she was being criticised on day 0 for her whackiness around the thing with the Arkham voters. Nero made a post with a scum read on Zebra out of nowhere after having a civilian read on her that Zebra didn't call him out on at all. Zebra of all people didn't call out the guy who made the weak scum read on her. Zebra.

Zebra said she had no ping on him at all while defending him with an admittedly wifom "new bad wouldn't play like this" (like what exactly). She was actively campaigning in his defense while he was going down.

Seems pretty obvious to me.

This is a pretty impressive point mac.

[juliets]

It's all based on role-hinting, and I don't have any extra-thread info. This is no more an "outing" than any other time a baddie has been caught.

linki- it was th thay convinced me matt's first word just pushed me wayy over the edge

Wait, baddie? I just don't understand what is going on here. Who is the baddie? I saw you mention two Wayne Manor roles.

What Enrique means is that it is not outing somebody to speculate on who they are based on the thread alone. It's just making a case for why they are role x, and making a thread-based case as to why someone is role x town-aligned is no different from making a thread-based case as to why someone is role x mafia-aligned.

The problem was i thought he was saying TH was Alfred when in reality he was saying TH is pretending to be Alfred. Had I understood that I wouldn't have thought it was a role outing. I did google "Why do we fall?" (I haven't seen any of the batman movies or read the comics) and now I understand the suspicion, along with what Rico said.

[Turnip Head]

Enrique all I can say to you is that you're case for me claiming Alfred is just as misguided as your case on Matt targeting the Joker. I wasn't trying to claim a role with my quote I was just trying to turn it into a running gag.

[Enrique]

I feel like a giant asshole right now
and this is gonna hurt me a lot but it's kinda important
I highly encourage a sig or nerolunar lynch today. NOT MATT.


ffffffff

Don't let his lead get wider. I was wrong.

i cant believe im doing this im so so sorry and would understand if this got me lynched, but i gotta at least try.

Epignosis/LC you are cruel cruel people.

Why do we fall, Enrique?

That's it, consider yourself added to my list of top suspects.

Lol ok.

I love this. So many layers.

[Golden]

TH - are you able to posit any other rational theory to you asking people why they fall, that does not involve it being you role hinting at Alfred?

[a2thezebra]

I agree bea, lynch me.

linki @ TH - RIght, a gag that you only decided to employ at very specific times, each of which implied that you had a better idea about any given situation yet you never shared what that supposedly better idea was a single time. A running fucking gag.

[sig]

Hey sig, whenever you show up, I just remembered something I meant to ask you earlier that I saw when I was catching up. You asked Golden for your opinion on me during Day 2 on two nonconsecutive occasions, as well as other players (from what I recall), after I voted for you. What do you think of me, exactly, and why do you put so much stock in others' opinions of me, particularly Golden?

Hi MP I trust Golden right know and he has repeatedly said he thought you where a civ so I was wondering if his opinion had changed. I did ask other players, I was thinking about lynching you and was wondering what other people thought or if it was just me being paranoid since you voted for me, I also wanted to see if my lynch of you could gain enough to steam to get you lynched over me. However, it was mainly to see if I was just being tunnely or if I had legitimate reasons/case.

linki: So what Enrique you say TH is pretending to be Alfred? How does that change your view of him?

linki 2: To many

[Marmot]

I feel like a giant asshole right now
and this is gonna hurt me a lot but it's kinda important
I highly encourage a sig or nerolunar lynch today. NOT MATT.


ffffffff

Don't let his lead get wider. I was wrong.

i cant believe im doing this im so so sorry and would understand if this got me lynched, but i gotta at least try.

Epignosis/LC you are cruel cruel people.

Why do we fall, Enrique?

That's it, consider yourself added to my list of top suspects.

Lol ok.

I love this. So many layers.

You talking about all the embedded quotes or am I missing something?

[Turnip Head]

TH - are you able to posit any other rational theory to you asking people why they fall, that does not involve it being you role hinting at Alfred?

sig didn't get my reference the first time so I just kept asking it to people because I thought it was funny. Whether that's rational or not, I dunno

[a2thezebra]

But you never asked it randomly. You always asked it when a significant turn was taken.

[a2thezebra]

I called you out on this while you were doing it and you didn't respond. Go figure.

[Turnip Head]

But you never asked it randomly. You always asked it when a significant turn was taken.

Well you see, with a joke, timing is everything.

[Tangrowth]

Why do we fall TH

[a2thezebra]

But you never asked it randomly. You always asked it when a significant turn was taken.

Well you see, with a joke, timing is everything.

But it wasn't a joke. You can say that it was a joke all you want but you're not going to fool anyone.

[sig]

But you never asked it randomly. You always asked it when a significant turn was taken.

Well you see, with a joke, timing is everything.

[Golden]

I feel like sig keeps misrepresenting things. I have pretty consistently suspected MP, not had him in my civ reads list.

[Marmot]

But you never asked it randomly. You always asked it when a significant turn was taken.

Well you see, with a joke, timing is everything.

But it wasn't a joke. You can say that it was a joke all you want but you're not going to fool anyone.

Why have you been using this line against people zeebs?

[Enrique]

I feel like a giant asshole right now
and this is gonna hurt me a lot but it's kinda important
I highly encourage a sig or nerolunar lynch today. NOT MATT.


ffffffff

Don't let his lead get wider. I was wrong.

i cant believe im doing this im so so sorry and would understand if this got me lynched, but i gotta at least try.

Epignosis/LC you are cruel cruel people.

Why do we fall, Enrique?

That's it, consider yourself added to my list of top suspects.

Lol ok.

I love this. So many layers.

You talking about all the embedded quotes or am I missing something?

That's another layer!

sig, there is absolutely no civvie reason to misguide the thread like that. He just went from confirmed civ in my eyes to this smiley ->

linki- Guys it's not just the question. I could compile a list of posts, but it seriously is all over the place. Just look at our interactions after the lynch. It's a complete I know that you know that I know. Look at the way he's clung on to Matt from the start. Look at his reaction when Matt was leading the lynch. This is too great. The fact that Nero was a baddie only makes this a million times funnier.