The Syndicate

Golden wrote:

sig wrote:You should with my record.
don't be salty I lynched one of your teammates, you win as a group anyway I'd assume.

@Golden if we had two mafia members left who'd you think they were?

Umm... I guess Daisy would be it with either Sorsha or MP. It would mean that MP was way out of meta or that he is reading daisy wrong, neither of which I think are likely.

It's not me. So it has to be them.

what??

Sorsha wrote:

Golden wrote:

sig wrote:You should with my record.
don't be salty I lynched one of your teammates, you win as a group anyway I'd assume.

@Golden if we had two mafia members left who'd you think they were?

Umm... I guess Daisy would be it with either Sorsha or MP. It would mean that MP was way out of meta or that he is reading daisy wrong, neither of which I think are likely.

It's not me. So it has to be them.

Or it's Dom, but I highly highly doubt that.

I thought Golden was Olivia too so LC's flip surprised me too

Sorsha wrote:I thought Golden was Olivia too so LC's flip surprised me too

Because I seemed checked out in the early going?

It really was just because I was on holiday. I've been back home the last few days. Then I'm going away again in two days.

There was a point in time where I thought Epi was Olivia (including when I voted for him) but I realised he wasn't later.

Golden wrote:

Sorsha wrote:I thought Golden was Olivia too so LC's flip surprised me too

Because I seemed checked out in the early going?

It really was just because I was on holiday. I've been back home the last few days. Then I'm going away again in two days.

There was a point in time where I thought Epi was Olivia (including when I voted for him) but I realised he wasn't later.

No because you've seemed to have a lot of roles figured out. I don't know how else you'd have roles pinned down for most people. Unless it's that obvious and I just haven't been paying close enough attention. Which could totally be it.

I think it's just the way my brain works. I'm always trying for my big 'theory of the game'. This happens to be a game in which I was able to do it. Old school games like this tend to allow for it the best.

I'll try to post my spreadsheet at the end and we can see how close I am.

I'm confused.

I guess this means Dom and Quin are VFD?

Or Dom and Jack? How many VFD do we have again?

And doesn't this mean MP was lying? How the hell does that clear him?

And what about Daisy? Shy is she cleared too?

Why is suddenly everyone cleared except Sorsha?

I have to stick with MP here. I hate this mass claiming thing. Sure it's just hinting, but it might be even worse this way because only a few players get it and then act super cagey about it. I like it better when it's about reading people's behaviors and analysing their votes.

Ok I just relized you guys somehow made 200+ posts in the last 8 hours. I'll go read them to see if I figure this out.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm confused.

I guess this means Dom and Quin are VFD?

Or Dom and Jack? How many VFD do we have again?

And doesn't this mean MP was lying? How the hell does that clear him?

And what about Daisy? Shy is she cleared too?

Why is suddenly everyone cleared except Sorsha?

Whats MP lying about?

Epignosis wrote:I would have like reasoned discussion.

Instead we got cryptic fearmongering.

We got people voting where they said we shouldn't.

We got (toilet) bowls.

And a big ass back and forth between Golden and Quin that was a waste of my time to read.

I'll probably vote out of the way just to be a dick.

Pot.

Meet keetle.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm confused.

I guess this means Dom and Quin are VFD?

Or Dom and Jack? How many VFD do we have again?

And doesn't this mean MP was lying? How the hell does that clear him?

And what about Daisy? Shy is she cleared too?

Why is suddenly everyone cleared except Sorsha?

Whats MP lying about?

Didn't he claim VFD?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm confused.

I guess this means Dom and Quin are VFD?

Or Dom and Jack? How many VFD do we have again?

And doesn't this mean MP was lying? How the hell does that clear him?

And what about Daisy? Shy is she cleared too?

Why is suddenly everyone cleared except Sorsha?

Whats MP lying about?

Didn't he claim VFD?

No, but he did act as though he is an indy that wasn't particularly fussed about who was town and who was bad. That isn't necessarily VFD.

Like... I don't even get why lynching QUin became a bad idea all of a sudden.

We had a case. How does the fact there are a nunch of people following make it a bad case?

Why is it a bad thing that he could be Olaf? Lynching scum is still more important than getting info.

Nothing made sense this night.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm confused.

I guess this means Dom and Quin are VFD?

Or Dom and Jack? How many VFD do we have again?

And doesn't this mean MP was lying? How the hell does that clear him?

And what about Daisy? Shy is she cleared too?

Why is suddenly everyone cleared except Sorsha?

Whats MP lying about?

Didn't he claim VFD?

No, but he did act as though he is an indy that wasn't particularly fussed about who was town and who was bad. That isn't necessarily VFD.

So he is either part of Ishmael's group or he just doesn't give a shit?

I guess Ishmael's group is the missing piece here? They are still alive and kicking?

And how in nine hells is he even cleared?

If people don't explain what is happening to me I'm just going to start voting however the hell I want. I'm done with this cagey bullshit.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I'm confused.

I guess this means Dom and Quin are VFD?

Or Dom and Jack? How many VFD do we have again?

And doesn't this mean MP was lying? How the hell does that clear him?

And what about Daisy? Shy is she cleared too?

Why is suddenly everyone cleared except Sorsha?

Whats MP lying about?

Didn't he claim VFD?

No, but he did act as though he is an indy that wasn't particularly fussed about who was town and who was bad. That isn't necessarily VFD.

So he is either part of Ishmael's group or he just doesn't give a shit?

I guess Ishmael's group is the missing piece here? They are still alive and kicking?

I mean, the only people we've seen survive a kill are sig and I, and I'm confident neither of us is Ishmael.

I did theorise that perhaps Ishmael could be killed if he was blocked on the same day, but others don't agree, and it is a bit of a stretch I guess. So now I'm leaning towards Ishmael being alive.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:And how in nine hells is he even cleared?

Who? Quin?

So you're saying he is Ishmael because he said he would sruvive a kill? Because I don't remember he surviving one himself.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:And how in nine hells is he even cleared?

Who? Quin?

MP.

But also Dom.

And Daisy.

There are suddenly 4 more cleared players than there were last day and I have no idea why.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:So you're saying he is Ishmael because he said he would sruvive a kill? Because I don't remember he surviving one himself.

No, I don't know if he ever said he'd survive a kill. I just think he's been acting indy and fits the bill, and I don't really see anyone else who fits the bill.

You don't have to treat them as cleared. I just have a role that I believe each of them is.

I guess Jack is VFD then?

Because at least one of him and Dom have to be. They both knew MP was not VFD for some reason.

And how did the 180 on Quin happen? Why is he still not bad anymore?

EBWOP: that "still" doesn't belong in that sentence

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:And how did the 180 on Quin happen? Why is he still not bad anymore?

LC's flip made it very clear than Quin is VFD. He spent his time vouching for him.

Oh never mind Jack and Quin are VFD.

But where does that leave Dom?

linki: yeah

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Oh never mind Jack and Quin are VFD.

But where does that leave Dom?

linki: yeah

I have a civilian role in mind for Dom.

I don't know how you and the other guys manage to be so good at figuring out roles, imo. I haven't figured anything out all game. At most I can find baddies by looking at votes.

I mean, it's just a speculative theory, so I may as well be open about it, since it's not info and I have no evidence.

I think MP is Ishmael and recruited Daisy.

Along with that, I always thought Dom was civ and have a particular role in mind for him, which for me the last lynch result affirmed. Same for Epi, although it hasn't been affirmed in any way, so I'm running a bit more on faith there. But I see no reason for epi to be bad. I thought Jack was mechanically cleared along with you, and I'm certain sig was never bussing anyone. Now Quin's been cleared. That only leaves Sorsha. That's how I got there on my logic.

I'm not saying you have to trust me. Feel free to punch me in the face instead.

Well it's not like I think you are lying. I want to trust you.

I just hate trusting things I don't understand. I usually feel insecure if people are making decisions and not giving me guarantees that these decisions are well-reasoned.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:I don't know how you and the other guys manage to be so good at figuring out roles, imo.

I grew up in a mafia community where every game was like this one, and the way town won was by spreadsheeting and getting each person into a role. I remember in my very first game I had civilian btsc and my partner said 'first thing... always spreadsheet everything - work out who can and can't be what role'. I don't do it very often any more because it doesn't apply very well to a lot of different set ups. But it's great for a traditional old school game like this. It's not so difficult to deduce which roles are dead within a day or two, for example. A lot of roles have effects that are quite visible.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Well it's not like I think you are lying. I want to trust you.

I just hate trusting things I don't understand. I usually feel insecure if people are making decisions and not giving me guarantees that these decisions are well-reasoned.

I believe everything is well-reasoned. That doesn't mean it's necessarily correct.

Eh... I never do that.

But I grew up on a community where most games are closed setup and every role has 2-5 abilities.

Every event in the game has at least 5 possible explanations are they are usually all wrong and the right one is a BS ability the host came up with on the fly.

Heck, if I'm the host, I am making these abilities on the fly. I want players to be surprised. I've only hosted one big open setup game, and I still hid some of the craziest abilities.

It doesn't hurt that this game is pretty light on secrets.

sig wrote: DDL = One piece isn't as good as Bleach therefore he can't be trusted

This is blasphemy.

Get the fuck out of my sight.

Golden wrote:I'm heading on holiday for two weeks shortly, and this time instead of justifying my schedule to others I'm best off not needing to phone post at all, so I'm not intending to sign up for anything more until I get back from that, at least. Otherwise, I reckon I would have.

Well to be fair the number of days before that game starts is a random number between 7 and 3485738979348567

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm heading on holiday for two weeks shortly, and this time instead of justifying my schedule to others I'm best off not needing to phone post at all, so I'm not intending to sign up for anything more until I get back from that, at least. Otherwise, I reckon I would have.

Well to be fair the number of days before that game starts is a random number between 7 and 3485738979348567

You may see me in the future then. I'm sure Roman can't wait for a rematch given how much I abused his play style last time lol.

sig wrote:

Quin wrote:

sig wrote:Btw Anybody who doesn't laugh at my jokey post is getting killed tonight.

Also I thought Jack had the bowl why do you care if I through a vote at LC?

Also I don't like Quin wanting to lynch me, maybe if they hadn't have been all clandestine "we have BTSC just follow us" type junk all day we'd have gotten something out of this day.

I could go with a Sorsha vote I guess, unless something pops up tonight. I do think we have at least two baddies left though.

linki:

Nah. Too much happened today for sig to have sorsha I the front of his mind. He has credibility as long as I'm alive, he's gonna milk that with as many mislynches as he can.

I do have to say I wish I was scum, this would be my best mafia game ever if I was, buuuut I'd have also killed Poe by know and gotten Violet out for sure, though i guess she could be gone we never know.

Though TS is mean to me, I've only been scum three times here.

Also I thought I was Ishmael why the change of heart?

I think this is the 9th or 10th game I play here and I've only been scum once.

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm heading on holiday for two weeks shortly, and this time instead of justifying my schedule to others I'm best off not needing to phone post at all, so I'm not intending to sign up for anything more until I get back from that, at least. Otherwise, I reckon I would have.

Well to be fair the number of days before that game starts is a random number between 7 and 3485738979348567

You may see me in the future then. I'm sure Roman can't wait for a rematch given how much I abused his play style last time lol.

Roman?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:

Golden wrote:I'm heading on holiday for two weeks shortly, and this time instead of justifying my schedule to others I'm best off not needing to phone post at all, so I'm not intending to sign up for anything more until I get back from that, at least. Otherwise, I reckon I would have.

Well to be fair the number of days before that game starts is a random number between 7 and 3485738979348567

You may see me in the future then. I'm sure Roman can't wait for a rematch given how much I abused his play style last time lol.

Roman?

Yeah, the first dude that signed up for that game is Roman.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote:Sure but how do you know him?

Have you played a game there I'm not aware of?

We played in the mafia champs finale together. He was damn good actually, but I kept asking him when he was going to show up and contribute lol. Well, he never explained anything, he was just like 'x is bad, suck it'.