The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:22 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:18 pm I'm caught up :O Amazing
SO

Current civ reads worth noting
Epi
Dunya
Maybe JJJ still tinfoiling here

I don't want to lynch:
TSP
Nutella

I'm looking at
Kenway, for their last post which they haven't addressed yet
Kites, for the random rainbow list and fearmongering
Mac, since he seems like mafia
Iron Dwarf, Dunya gave some good reasoning
Long Con
and Marmot, I want him to answer my questions.

Also besides Quin's post being mainly fluff is there any other reason he might be mafia?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:23 pm**

White is a civ read of mine on appearance alone. I'll review that.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:28 pm**

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now
I am trying to lay off you btw, please don't think I'm badgering or tunneling intentionally, but people keep asking me specific questions about you.

Is Quin's low activity the only reason you are pinged by him?

It's damn annoying, isn't it?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:33 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:18 pm I'm caught up :O Amazing
SO

Current civ reads worth noting
Epi
Dunya
Maybe JJJ still tinfoiling here

I don't want to lynch:
TSP
Nutella

I'm looking at
Kenway, for their last post which they haven't addressed yet
Kites, for the random rainbow list and fearmongering
Mac, since he seems like mafia
Iron Dwarf, Dunya gave some good reasoning
Long Con
and Marmot, I want him to answer my questions.

Also besides Quin's post being mainly fluff is there any other reason he might be mafia?

What about me? Do you think we're gonna be together for the long term or do you just want tonight?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:40 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:16 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now
I am trying to lay off you btw, please don't think I'm badgering or tunneling intentionally, but people keep asking me specific questions about you.

Is Quin's low activity the only reason you are pinged by him?
It's not "low activity," it's that when he has posted his posts have been largely devoid of actual content/hunting/reads
You are going to qualify this and I am going to laugh at you as you fail miserably.

Okay.

I'll look through your ISO for reads and content, but I don't know how you expect to prove me wrong. I remember maybe 2 posts by you day 1 that had any kind of reads. So far your posts today haven't said much either.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:23 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why haven't you jumped down my throat in this game? I've been waiting.
You'll note that I came very near to murdering you, save a lynch stop and a split-second decision to switch to nutella. If you would prefer to avoid murder, you know the drill.
I'm not going to beg for forgiveness or actively try to match a rate of posting you're happy with. I'm posting at a rate that I'm comfortable with given my rl circumstances. These arguments that I'm only posting empty content disgust me.
I don't care if the arguments disgust you. I do care how you read the players making the argument.

I wouldn't say you've only posted empty content, but you've posted more of it than would be ideal given your post count.
I posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase. I love the theme. It's natural. But when Day 1 started I dropped it. You yourself said that the draft phase encourages more fluff. I don't think you're taking that into account as you read me here.

As for people making the case, nutellas sticks out like a sore thumb. She says even my current content is empty. That's bull. She's also jumped on dunya's idea that I'm bad for not meeting a quota of scum reads (such a terrible argument, truly)

Yeah you posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase, but unfortunately you didn't replace it with meaningful content. I don't believe you completely dropped it either, looking at your ISO now there are quite a few fluff posts after day 1 started as well. I'll make a summary in my next post, stay tuned. (and as I'm writing this I see Jay is already beating me to it. ah well I'll still do it)

Your current content has been pretty much just replying to this accusation and calling me suspicious for it. What are your other reads?

Oh look, a read. A civ read on Dr. White. K.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:44 pm**

Dr. White posts I have issues with:

Spoiler: show

This is hopefully the post he's talking about:

Spoiler: show

A reads list by any criteria is appreciated on Day 0. I dislike White's condemnation of it without actually looking into it first. I'm pinged by his criticism of Mac for contributing what he did given that he was on holiday..

I still maintain that Dr.White entered with a sort of authoritative style, and for a player having his first game on another site, I'd say that's unlikely for scum. These two posts aren't great though. Lean town.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:47 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:40 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:08 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:16 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:14 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 5:04 pm dunya I've had enough of your insistence that I haven't given a reason for townreading you when I have done so multiple times now
I am trying to lay off you btw, please don't think I'm badgering or tunneling intentionally, but people keep asking me specific questions about you.

Is Quin's low activity the only reason you are pinged by him?
It's not "low activity," it's that when he has posted his posts have been largely devoid of actual content/hunting/reads
You are going to qualify this and I am going to laugh at you as you fail miserably.
Okay.

I'll look through your ISO for reads and content, but I don't know how you expect to prove me wrong. I remember maybe 2 posts by you day 1 that had any kind of reads. So far your posts today haven't said much either.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:23 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why haven't you jumped down my throat in this game? I've been waiting.
You'll note that I came very near to murdering you, save a lynch stop and a split-second decision to switch to nutella. If you would prefer to avoid murder, you know the drill.
I'm not going to beg for forgiveness or actively try to match a rate of posting you're happy with. I'm posting at a rate that I'm comfortable with given my rl circumstances. These arguments that I'm only posting empty content disgust me.
I don't care if the arguments disgust you. I do care how you read the players making the argument.

I wouldn't say you've only posted empty content, but you've posted more of it than would be ideal given your post count.
I posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase. I love the theme. It's natural. But when Day 1 started I dropped it. You yourself said that the draft phase encourages more fluff. I don't think you're taking that into account as you read me here.

As for people making the case, nutellas sticks out like a sore thumb. She says even my current content is empty. That's bull. She's also jumped on dunya's idea that I'm bad for not meeting a quota of scum reads (such a terrible argument, truly)
Yeah you posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase, but unfortunately you didn't replace it with meaningful content. I don't believe you completely dropped it either, looking at your ISO now there are quite a few fluff posts after day 1 started as well. I'll make a summary in my next post, stay tuned. (and as I'm writing this I see Jay is already beating me to it. ah well I'll still do it)

Your current content has been pretty much just replying to this accusation and calling me suspicious for it. What are your other reads?

Oh look, a read. A civ read on Dr. White. K.

Wrong. You're reading my posts apparently, so you'll answer that for yourself.

Why does my read on White interest you?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:53 pm**

Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 pm Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.

I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.

If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.

This has "ploy" written all over it. I don't know for sure if those two are scum/town but I really don't think that's what's going on in that post, there could be scum in any of the homelands and townies in any of them as well. And I'm not really sure if it's in a mafia vig's best interests to keep quiet for the time being, don't you think this would be the period in the game where it's easiest to get away with mistakenly killing a townie? If I had that role as a scum I'd be trying to thin the ranks, quickly, self-preservation be damned. I think a lot of us were expecting another death today, and it's not like if it had been two townies we'd suddenly be coming at sig with torches and pitchforks. Sorry Kenway but I'm not buying this.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:59 pm**

rundontwalk wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:18 pm I'm caught up :O Amazing
SO

Current civ reads worth noting
Epi
Dunya
Maybe JJJ still tinfoiling here

I don't want to lynch:
TSP
Nutella

I'm looking at
Kenway, for their last post which they haven't addressed yet
Kites, for the random rainbow list and fearmongering
Mac, since he seems like mafia
Iron Dwarf, Dunya gave some good reasoning
Long Con
and Marmot, I want him to answer my questions.

Also besides Quin's post being mainly fluff is there any other reason he might be mafia?
What about me? Do you think we're gonna be together for the long term or do you just want tonight?

I mean I really like you, you've got a great personality, but I'm just not ready for that level of commitment, feel free to hmu next time you're in town though I'd love to give you another...........tour

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:14 pm**

Would anyone be available to replace into a mafia game on HCRealms? It’s pretty laid back over there so it’s not a super big commitment. PM me if interested. CBob not invited.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:16 pm**

alright here are all of quin's day 1 posts

Comment on Jay's meta. Vaguely relevant but not hunting.
Flavor comment that may or may not be relevant to the game (I think it's probably not). Not hunting
Prod on sig for what mafia mac looks like. This is one of your more meaningful posts but it still isn't much
Flavor comment in relation to Kites' weird post. May be tangentially game-relevant but Quin adds nothing substantial to the analysis anyway
His picks for Epi's survey.
Civ read on Dr White and DDL, "nobody I dislike" -- one of your few posts with actual reads and it's disgusting.
"is sloonei even playing" not content
asking for iso links, not content
asking for jay's buttocks, not content
says DDL and rdw stand out as early contributors -- sort of content but not productive
confirming lack of scumreads
dislikes dunya "pushing scumread quota"
says he only has town reads again (3rd time), except this time he says "bar the above" which I assume refers to suspecting dunya for "pushing a scumread quota"?
more talk on not having scum reads, zzzzzzzz
yet more. snore
quotes exchange between jay and dr white saying "this ass is town" not even sure which of the two he is referring to?
"quinfoil" pun 100% fluff
another snarky reply to dunya
prod of Colin
more about colin
more about colin, hey this post approaches being productive
response to colin
--------end of day 1 (he wasn't around for the end of it; there is a 21-hour gap between his last post and his next one)----------

I count about 9 actually productive posts, and in those he only talks about/gives reads of ~5 players (Jay, Dr. White, DDL, dunya, and coliniscool).
About 6 completely fluffy posts, and about 6 posts relating to the scumread quota business.

The most productive content I see is the ~4 posts you direct to Colin. How are you feeling about him now?

Night 1
first post after eod "why did you do that" presumably referring to the accumulation of votes on him while he wasn't there
"oh ok it's because i'm not posting" lol
claiming his day 1 posts weren't fluff
nah alright I'm stopping here and just summarizing the rest this is getting tedious. He defends Dr. White in an exchange with Jay about the implied meaning of "interesting."
Suspects dunya and me for the "scumread quota" thing. I can't speak for dunya but I never said anything about a "scumread quota," I just thought it was suspicious that you specifically didn't have any scumreads. There's a subtle difference there.
Oh look you admit that the argument that you've posted close to no content in your posts is valid howboudah

---Day 2---
you prod lapluie a bit
talk a little bit about the rabbit kill/justifications for it
call out lapluie for playing "with a crutch" -- ok this is actually decent hunting, have you followed it up at all? or I guess she hasn't responded yet
pretty much everything after that is defending your content to me/jay and calling me scum

so... your most significant contributions have been against colin and lap, and yet you choose to vote for me simply because I'm calling you out

k dude

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:17 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:14 pm Would anyone be available to replace into a mafia game on HCRealms? It’s pretty laid back over there so it’s not a super big commitment. PM me if interested. CBob not invited.

Laid back, you say? Let Papa Jay have a look.

It looks like it's over half over, so yeah I can help you out.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:17 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 pm @Epignosis Why didn't you let me fly?

No idea what you're talking about mate. I used my secret power and all I've got let is a protection.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:19 pm**

I read Dr White and Iron Dwarf. Pretty null read on White, slight Maf lean on Dwarf. I’m always leery of early game lunches because of how easy they can be to manipulate but I haven’t seen those tendencies yet against either of them unless JJJ and Dunya are both mafia.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:19 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:44 pm Dr. White posts I have issues with:

Spoiler: show
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution? Seems like he was trying to feign activity. The split between him and colonial is very interesting.

I however found JJJ "strong town reading" Colonial interesting, since it was solely on the grounds of him listing his own reads. Mafia can easily do that as well as to not appear like they are parroting . That is a very interesting link given the colonial-Mac dynamic.

Nutella jumped on Mac pretty early. Not sure if it was a pressure vote, but it really put me off towards them.

Not sure how DDL plays here. He seems more passive and backing down a bit, I will keep a watch on him for sure. Anyone who wants to give me his meta summary feel free.

Other person of note was dunya. Pretty much just need more time to see if she's genuinely town leading, or "the string pulling" mafioso that was mentioned earlier.

Spoiler: show
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 9:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:57 pm
Dr. White wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm I too do not like how Mac tried to make a quicklist of reads based on pretty much intuition alone. Even if on vacation, why posit that as contribution?
So in a game in which one is to determine who received a mafia role one should utilise no intuition whatsoever? Interesting. I have been playing the game wrong for 7 years.
This is a bad reply. I clearly know how to play mafia, and you clearly are twisting what I said. You couldn't have possibly had gotten any solid info on that many people enough to make that many reads at the time you posted that in the thread. Gattling a ton of random reads doesn't really give us much except possible connections back to you for later game. If you were vacationing why choose this as your one contribution to the thread? Once again, seems to be you attempting to set up a presence in the thread with those "reads".
This is hopefully the post he's talking about:

Spoiler: show
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:14 pm That's funny because I was going to say ColonialBob was mafia based on his plane taxi post. It just felt laid on thick to me. I mean I am on a tropical island 20 feet from the ocean but you didn't know that because I am genuinely distracted and disinterested whereas he had that scummy forced connectivity to the thread that makes you say unnecessary things.

Also I think RDW is a civ. Dunya is a civ. Epignosis and sig are sus. Jimmy is a civ. Colin is a civ. gwilikers6 is sus. Spirityo and nutella are civ. Kyle is a civ. Quin is sus. Rabbit is a civ. Everybody else is null. Brb fishing.

A reads list by any criteria is appreciated on Day 0. I dislike White's condemnation of it without actually looking into it first. I'm pinged by his criticism of Mac for contributing what he did given that he was on holiday..

I still maintain that Dr.White entered with a sort of authoritative style, and for a player having his first game on another site, I'd say that's unlikely for scum. These two posts aren't great though. Lean town.

Lol yeah you're his teammate

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:20 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:17 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:14 pm Would anyone be available to replace into a mafia game on HCRealms? It’s pretty laid back over there so it’s not a super big commitment. PM me if interested. CBob not invited.
Laid back, you say? Let Papa Jay have a look.

It looks like it's over half over, so yeah I can help you out.

They’ll be in for a shock :P I’ll PM you over there.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:30 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:40 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:29 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:23 pm @JaggedJimmyJay why haven't you jumped down my throat in this game? I've been waiting.
You'll note that I came very near to murdering you, save a lynch stop and a split-second decision to switch to nutella. If you would prefer to avoid murder, you know the drill.
I'm not going to beg for forgiveness or actively try to match a rate of posting you're happy with. I'm posting at a rate that I'm comfortable with given my rl circumstances. These arguments that I'm only posting empty content disgust me.
I don't care if the arguments disgust you. I do care how you read the players making the argument.

I wouldn't say you've only posted empty content, but you've posted more of it than would be ideal given your post count.
I posted a lot of fluff during the draft phase. I love the theme. It's natural. But when Day 1 started I dropped it. You yourself said that the draft phase encourages more fluff. I don't think you're taking that into account as you read me here.

As for people making the case, nutellas sticks out like a sore thumb. She says even my current content is empty. That's bull. She's also jumped on dunya's idea that I'm bad for not meeting a quota of scum reads (such a terrible argument, truly)

I agree with Quin in the second underlined portion.

I also find the first underlined portion empty criticism.

What degree of "empty content" is "ideal" given someone's post count? I don't understand this criticism of Quin.

JJJ, what prompted you to change your vote from Quin to nutella?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:33 pm**

Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:38 pm Also, who is Dr. White? Did someone got replaced?

Come now Kenway...

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:33 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:45 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:42 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 11:41 pm sig is a civilian. Nobody picked him.
Yes, and the Don is an asshole for it.

In hindsight I'm also pretty sure I won a scum game at RYM so if your from RYM that makes you just as big as an asshole.

Right now I'm tinfoiling Mac or Epi is Don, and I want this post here so I can come back and gloat about being right. Then spite kill them at my next opportunity .

Don't waste your kill on us. I gave it to you because you are one crazy son-of-a-bitch, but not that crazy.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:33 pm**

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] I do believe that Jay and I have both already addressed that even completely disregarding the draft phase Quin has quite a few fluff posts and not as much productive content as we generally expect from him.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:35 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:50 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:52 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 14, 2018 9:25 am It just pisses me off that a lot of people, in real life, tend to disregard statistics completely because it's not exact. Those people tend to be easily manipulated by politicians and journalists.
I tend to disregard statistics because so many politicians and journalists just make them up.
statistics are terrible pretty sure I just bombed a test on it. We should ignore anything statistically from now on.

So what you're saying is 100% of statistics should be ignored.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 pm**

[mention]sig[/mention] what have I not addressed?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:33 pm @Epignosis I do believe that Jay and I have both already addressed that even completely disregarding the draft phase Quin has quite a few fluff posts and not as much productive content as we generally expect from him.

I'm not dunya. I'm an old man feebly working his way through a quagmire of stuff and commenting on it as I go.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:37 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 pm @Epignosis Why didn't you let me fly?
No idea what you're talking about mate. I used my secret power and all I've got let is a protection.

I think he's referring to this:
"Careful Deployment - If you are next to a magic user or bow user on the player list, you have a 50% chance to fail your night action unless they post on the main thread in bold 'Let the Wyvern through tonight.'"

you're next to him on the draft order list, though on the list that reflects army membership he's only next to lapluie who is not magical nor a bowman

i'm not really clear why it matters if he really chose not to target anyone last night, and I don't really understand which player list his deployment is based on?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:37 pm**

what are the current votals?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:43 pm**

huh I'm really confused about that part of sig's role, but I don't think it actually matters because none of the players next to him on either list are magic or bow users? (though I guess epi will be when he promotes, so it would matter if epi's bad)

[mention]sig[/mention] did you realize this? I don't think the "let the wyvern through" is relevant because you are not adjacent to a bow or magic user.

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] can you clarify this and also whether "player list" in that role refers to the draft order or the list with the armies?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:44 pm**

wait unless healing counts as magic? it doesn't specifically say it does though when other descriptions do say e.g. "light magic user"

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:49 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:35 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:11 am
Quin wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:07 am
dunya wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 3:00 am Anyone wanna discuss why rabbit8?
To kill a low poster, because scum isn't being strategic with kills, to eliminate the triangle attack mechanic. I'm a fan of the latter. It's the easiest night kill to remove from the pool.
Why not kill Long Con?
Why kill Long Con?

Rabbit was a civilian. He didn't post. No one was gonna protect his ass.
SCUMMMMMMMMMMMMSLIP?????

How do you know LC isn't also a civ?

I didn't say to kill Long Con silly.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:51 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:18 pm and Marmot, I want him to answer my questions.

How many questions for me do you have?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:52 pm**

AUBERGINE (ft no more oversights)

[3] Quin - dunya, MacDougall, nutella
[1] colonialbob - Marmot
[2] Iron_Dwarf - JaggedJimmyJay, colonialbob
[1] JaggedJimmyJay - rundontwalk
[1] nutella - Quin
[1] Marmot - sig

No vote: ColinIsCool, Dr. White, Dragon D. Luffy, DrWilgy, Epignosis, gwilikers6, Iron_Dwarf, Kenway, Kites, Kylemii, lapluie, Long Con, MacDougall, sprityo, TonyStarkPrime

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:55 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:44 pm wait unless healing counts as magic? it doesn't specifically say it does though when other descriptions do say e.g. "light magic user"

healing and staves are magic but I don't entirely know if they apply as such as far as the wyvern goes, but I assumed that's what sig is talking about since his only other neighbors are a thief and a cavalier. both of epi's promotes can use tomes.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:00 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:04 pm Quin has taken a lot of flak in this game for being fluffy. I have given Quin flak for being fluffy. I grant though that at least in my case, this has been a perception derived from my own progression through the thread without a thorough dig. So now I dig.

As of right now, Quin has 96 posts.

He made 33 posts during the drafting period. Remove them from consideration (I will at least, you may not be so inclined dear readers). 63 remain.

I would call the following posts fluffy in that they do not progress a hunt in a readily discernible way:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p406909
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p407375
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p407401
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p407595
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 30#p407630
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p407642
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 11#p408511
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 20#p408520
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p409509
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p410046

10 posts.

These posts are self-defense, primarily against accusations of fluff, without an obvious reads-oriented development therein:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p406900
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p409618
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p410031
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p410042
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p410060
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 73#p410473
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p410492

7 posts.

63 - 10 - 7 = 46

This leaves 46 hunting-relevant posts, or just under half of his present post count and 73% of his non-draft day post count. This is a greater percentage than I anticipated. It isn't lovely and there is still fluff, but it isn't some glaring, terrible thing either. Those who have accused Quin of doing nothing should review this assessment and his posts as well and then report their own conclusions. I would say that it as at least no longer tenable to discard Quin as having done nothing of note. That is inaccurate.

A separate accusation which would be fairer given the data available is that Quin has not engaged anyone substantively. There have been pokes, prods, and jabs -- but no continued investigation of any single thing (that I can readily observe).

This is a fluff post. You felt the best use of your energy was counting how many of Quin's posts were on-topic? You are toying with Quin and telling people why something that's clearly a bad argument against him is a bad argument, but then in the same post, you raise another bad argument that is effectively derived from the first one: That Quin's overall involvement here is not substantive.

This stinks.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:02 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:43 pm huh I'm really confused about that part of sig's role, but I don't think it actually matters because none of the players next to him on either list are magic or bow users? (though I guess epi will be when he promotes, so it would matter if epi's bad)

@sig did you realize this? I don't think the "let the wyvern through" is relevant because you are not adjacent to a bow or magic user.

@Jackofhearts2005 can you clarify this and also whether "player list" in that role refers to the draft order or the list with the armies?

I was trying to stealthily ask Epi that, he has magic and he's above me right?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:03 pm**

Fucking echo chamber in here. I want to hear from some new people. Kyle thank fuck.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:08 pm**

Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 pm @sig what have I not addressed?

Your posts about me.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:10 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:16 pm alright here are all of quin's day 1 posts

Comment on Jay's meta. Vaguely relevant but not hunting.
Flavor comment that may or may not be relevant to the game (I think it's probably not). Not hunting
Prod on sig for what mafia mac looks like. This is one of your more meaningful posts but it still isn't much
Flavor comment in relation to Kites' weird post. May be tangentially game-relevant but Quin adds nothing substantial to the analysis anyway
His picks for Epi's survey.
Civ read on Dr White and DDL, "nobody I dislike" -- one of your few posts with actual reads and it's disgusting.
"is sloonei even playing" not content
asking for iso links, not content
asking for jay's buttocks, not content
says DDL and rdw stand out as early contributors -- sort of content but not productive
confirming lack of scumreads
dislikes dunya "pushing scumread quota"
says he only has town reads again (3rd time), except this time he says "bar the above" which I assume refers to suspecting dunya for "pushing a scumread quota"?
more talk on not having scum reads, zzzzzzzz
yet more. snore
quotes exchange between jay and dr white saying "this ass is town" not even sure which of the two he is referring to?
"quinfoil" pun 100% fluff
another snarky reply to dunya
prod of Colin
more about colin
more about colin, hey this post approaches being productive
response to colin
--------end of day 1 (he wasn't around for the end of it; there is a 21-hour gap between his last post and his next one)----------

I count about 9 actually productive posts, and in those he only talks about/gives reads of ~5 players (Jay, Dr. White, DDL, dunya, and coliniscool).
About 6 completely fluffy posts, and about 6 posts relating to the scumread quota business.

The most productive content I see is the ~4 posts you direct to Colin. How are you feeling about him now?

Night 1
first post after eod "why did you do that" presumably referring to the accumulation of votes on him while he wasn't there
"oh ok it's because i'm not posting" lol
claiming his day 1 posts weren't fluff
nah alright I'm stopping here and just summarizing the rest this is getting tedious. He defends Dr. White in an exchange with Jay about the implied meaning of "interesting."
Suspects dunya and me for the "scumread quota" thing. I can't speak for dunya but I never said anything about a "scumread quota," I just thought it was suspicious that you specifically didn't have any scumreads. There's a subtle difference there.
Oh look you admit that the argument that you've posted close to no content in your posts is valid howboudah

---Day 2---
you prod lapluie a bit
talk a little bit about the rabbit kill/justifications for it
call out lapluie for playing "with a crutch" -- ok this is actually decent hunting, have you followed it up at all? or I guess she hasn't responded yet
pretty much everything after that is defending your content to me/jay and calling me scum

so... your most significant contributions have been against colin and lap, and yet you choose to vote for me simply because I'm calling you out k dude

You did it too?

Holy crap.

Do you honestly think Quin is incapable of looking productive when he is bad?

Weak.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:12 pm**

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:15 pm**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:17 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:32 pm @Epignosis Why didn't you let me fly?
No idea what you're talking about mate. I used my secret power and all I've got let is a protection.
I think he's referring to this:
"Careful Deployment - If you are next to a magic user or bow user on the player list, you have a 50% chance to fail your night action unless they post on the main thread in bold 'Let the Wyvern through tonight.'"

you're next to him on the draft order list, though on the list that reflects army membership he's only next to lapluie who is not magical nor a bowman

i'm not really clear why it matters if he really chose not to target anyone last night, and I don't really understand which player list his deployment is based on?

I'm the troubadour. Am I magical?

And does that mean I get some say over whether sig can act?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:16 pm**

Troubadour
Staff wielding horsemen known for being faster versions of clerics.
Mend - Each night, you may doctor another player.
Promotes to Mage Knight or Valkyrie

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:18 pm**

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] is the Troubadour magical/can it reduce me?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:18 pm**

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:22 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:43 pm Jackofhearts2005 can you clarify this and also whether "player list" in that role refers to the draft order or the list with the armies?

The army list.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:23 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:18 pm Jackofhearts2005 is the Troubadour magical/can it reduce me?

Great question. No, it cannot. Troubadours and Clerics are staff users.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:26 pm**

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:04 pm Quin has taken a lot of flak in this game for being fluffy. I have given Quin flak for being fluffy. I grant though that at least in my case, this has been a perception derived from my own progression through the thread without a thorough dig. So now I dig.

As of right now, Quin has 96 posts.

He made 33 posts during the drafting period. Remove them from consideration (I will at least, you may not be so inclined dear readers). 63 remain.

I would call the following posts fluffy in that they do not progress a hunt in a readily discernible way:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p406909
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 75#p407375
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 01#p407401
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 95#p407595
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 30#p407630
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p407642
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 11#p408511
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 20#p408520
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 09#p409509
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 46#p410046

10 posts.

These posts are self-defense, primarily against accusations of fluff, without an obvious reads-oriented development therein:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 00#p406900
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 18#p409618
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 31#p410031
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 42#p410042
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 60#p410060
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 73#p410473
http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 92#p410492

7 posts.

63 - 10 - 7 = 46

This leaves 46 hunting-relevant posts, or just under half of his present post count and 73% of his non-draft day post count. This is a greater percentage than I anticipated. It isn't lovely and there is still fluff, but it isn't some glaring, terrible thing either. Those who have accused Quin of doing nothing should review this assessment and his posts as well and then report their own conclusions. I would say that it as at least no longer tenable to discard Quin as having done nothing of note. That is inaccurate.

A separate accusation which would be fairer given the data available is that Quin has not engaged anyone substantively. There have been pokes, prods, and jabs -- but no continued investigation of any single thing (that I can readily observe).
This is a fluff post. You felt the best use of your energy was counting how many of Quin's posts were on-topic? You are toying with Quin and telling people why something that's clearly a bad argument against him is a bad argument, but then in the same post, you raise another bad argument that is effectively derived from the first one: That Quin's overall involvement here is not substantive.

This stinks.

Weren't you the one in Death Note who dissected every single one of the 100+ of DharmaHelper's posts, categorized them, and determined that he was hence not civilian?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:27 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:08 pm
Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 pm @sig what have I not addressed?
Your posts about me.

Um, why would Kenway have to address his own posts about you?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:27 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:08 pm
Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 pm @sig what have I not addressed?
Your posts about me.
Um, why would Kenway have to address his own posts about you?

Since I responded to it and he wasn't clear?

Also Mac stop voting for me.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:33 pm**

Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:37 pm Hello, I was here yesterday but the thread got locked.

I still think we should test the public list out, namely lynch sig or lapluie and see if they flip scum.

If sig is scum they have two kills a night, I think it's wise for him to not use it now, he can get trigger-happy later and claim so and so is scummy.

This post, as well as my follow up to his and vote.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:34 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:23 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:18 pm Jackofhearts2005 is the Troubadour magical/can it reduce me?
Great question. No, it cannot. Troubadours and Clerics are staff users.

Sweet thanks!

This didn't have anything to do with me not killing Ive yet to find a good enough reason to use my ability so I'll wait.

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:35 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:27 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:08 pm
Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 pm @sig what have I not addressed?
Your posts about me.
Um, why would Kenway have to address his own posts about you?

Also I find it interesting that you'd defend Kenway, while not answering why I was so low on your fireworks list?

Posted: **Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:35 pm**

sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:32 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:27 pm
sig wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 11:08 pm
Kenway wrote: ↑Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:36 pm @sig what have I not addressed?
Your posts about me.
Um, why would Kenway have to address his own posts about you?
Since I responded to it and he wasn't clear?

Also Mac stop voting for me.

I didn't vote for you.

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