The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:54 pm maybe in his head he translated the lie detector to mean it can be used to cop a role claim

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:55 pm kinda like how "lie detector" appeared in your dreams, only "role cop" appeared in his.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:58 pm quick everyone! let's hot potato jay while he's gone for the night.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:55 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Theory: I'm not literally insane. Luna did give me a fake role claim. She didn't pursue contradicting me and foisting suspicion my way over it because that didn't work with the 'suspicious votes' thing earlier today.

And If JJJ scumslipped, Luna is scum with him.
If Scum is protecting Eloh, Luna is probably scum with her.
The only suspicion I've been entertaining today that doesn't include Luna is dunya.

DDL and Neverwhere are kinda blank spaces right now.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:55 pm [VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

Theory: I'm not literally insane. Luna did give me a fake role claim. She didn't pursue contradicting me and foisting suspicion my way over it because that didn't work with the 'suspicious votes' thing earlier today.

And If JJJ scumslipped, Luna is scum with him.
If Scum is protecting Eloh, Luna is probably scum with her.
The only suspicion I've been entertaining today that doesn't include Luna is dunya.

DDL and Neverwhere are kinda blank spaces right now.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 4:41 pm I just got home and read back some. What the heck is going on with this lie detector stuff? And am I right that between speed and Luna the role that I thought Luna had has been exposed in the thread? And Jay somehow found out it was a lie detect instead? Can someone set me straight? It looks like most have decided to vote Luna. Can someone tell me why? Sorry I'm so full of questions.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:22 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:18 pm Lunalee, please pick one:

speedchuck is remembering incorrectly

speedchuck is lying

That is forgiving. Please affirm or deny with a smiley:

You, Lunalee, told speedchuck that you are a lie detector or that you have lie detection abilities in your BTSC with him.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:50 pm Theory: Luna told speedchuck in BTSC that she is a role cop (or something like that), lying deliberately about what her role is. Because her teammates had at least two atypical roles (Jack a mock-doctor, Luna a lie detector of some sort), they knew that she shouldn't give speedchuck an authentic claim. Instead she handed over "role cop", which a lie detector can serve as functionally, to avoid raising suspicion in this sometimes backwards setup.

I just don't understand how she can literally tell him that she is a lie detector and then he can forget that.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:09 pm @Lunalee can you give us any words from you role that would confirm your claim that you're a lie detector? Tell me if this is against the rules you were given for the insanity by capitalizing this if thats the case.

Also guys we are having terrible thunderstorms and I'm afraid we are going to lose power. If we don't I will be here until EOD.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:34 pm I mean Elohcin is discrediting the guy who just outed a mafioso. Why is that good?

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:10 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:09 pm @Lunalee can you give us any words from you role that would confirm your claim that you're a lie detector? Tell me if this is against the rules you were given for the insanity by capitalizing this if thats the case.

Also guys we are having terrible thunderstorms and I'm afraid we are going to lose power. If we don't I will be here until EOD.

lie detector?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:37 pm you're saying she's suspecting LC even though she knows jack is bad. "why would he come out and say he is 100% sure jack is bad" lol.

i am not voting eloh. don't give 2 shits if this looks like it's tmi after her flip. i just don't think eloh who would be informed in btsc by a raging jack and mac comes in and asks that question and makes that post. no offence to eloh. i just think they would be better coordinating reactions/defences when they know jack is a dead man walking. who survives a red peek? jack had almost given up tbh.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:09 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:05 pm Lie Detector is more town that a rolecop

nutella was a rolecop. did you and juliets not think that was odd?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:04 pm Some confusing stuff today, but I'm going to do what I decided to back when speedchuck first said she's bad, and [VOTE: Luna] aubergine.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:29 am Luna is bad.

We planned in BTSC not to vote till the last second for reasons related to her role. That's why I missed voting earlier, and why she likely did too. Now she's shading me based on that?

Bad.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:51 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 10:13 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:59 am

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:45 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 8:50 am

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 4:26 am Lunalee Do you have gripes about speed? Or are you just saying his votes look bad?

speedchuck can you speak to why you didn't vote on days 1,3, and 4 (I think those are the days)? I'm assuming thats what Luna means by your votes looking bad. If you already shared this and I've forgotten just point me back to your post.

I'm pretty sure I voted D1.

3 and 4 both fell on the weekend, which isn't a good excuse or anything. I just got busy and didn't check in in time.

Ok, and yes, it's been established in previous games that you are not around much on the weekends. I didn't realize those days were weekend days (the all run together in my mind). So, I guess I don't understand Luna's claim that she doesn't like your votes.

@Lunalee is it the weekend non-votes that you didn't like? I would think you of all people would realize how busy he is on the weekends. Or was it his other votes? Or both? I'll give you something to copy and paste so you can answer each of those alternatives separately:

Didn't like his weekend non-votes:

Didn't like his other votes Day 1 and 5:

Didn't like any of his votes/non-votes:

heart

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:09 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 11:00 am If just speed is mafia this is just opportunism. He saw Luna cursed and tried to get her lynched.

This doesn't actually make sense. I didn't ask Luna to shade me over votes. People are asking her questions and cooperating to the point where she can tell us what she means.

So far, she's accused me over votes (while still voting for JJJ I think) and clarified that it's my actual votes that look bad, not the missed votes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:42 pm I think Luna is a better lynch today though. I have no better reasons to view her as a civilian than Elohcin (I care zero percent what her damned role is), and today's discrepancy with speedchuck is hard to believe. Something's wrong there.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:18 pm Lunalee, please pick one:

speedchuck is remembering incorrectly

speedchuck is lying

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:42 pm I think Luna is a better lynch today though. I have no better reasons to view her as a civilian than Elohcin (I care zero percent what her damned role is), and today's discrepancy with speedchuck is hard to believe. Something's wrong there.

One thing I don't understand is why Lunalee is sure Speed is just forgetful rather than lying.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:18 pm Lunalee, please pick one:

speedchuck is remembering incorrectly

speedchuck is lying

Feels like she knows Speed is a civ.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:18 pm Lunalee, please pick one:

speedchuck is remembering incorrectly

speedchuck is lying

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:20 pm Dragon D. Luffy why did you vote Luna? I'm asking you because you're here and others aren't.

And dang Lunalee did you just change your answer on Jay's pick one? Are you saying you don't know which of the two choices is true?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:17 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:42 pm I think Luna is a better lynch today though. I have no better reasons to view her as a civilian than Elohcin (I care zero percent what her damned role is), and today's discrepancy with speedchuck is hard to believe. Something's wrong there.

One thing I don't understand is why Lunalee is sure Speed is just forgetful rather than lying.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:18 pm Lunalee, please pick one:

speedchuck is remembering incorrectly

speedchuck is lying

Feels like she knows Speed is a civ.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:27 pm @Lunalee how sure are you that Elo is good:

I am positive.

I think the evidence supports she's civ.

I'm not sure about her.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:28 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:27 pm @Lunalee how sure are you that Elo is good:

I am positive.

I think the evidence supports she's civ.

I'm not sure about her.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:26 pm Im going to uni. Don't hot potato me kthxbye.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 3:50 pm Theory: Luna told speedchuck in BTSC that she is a role cop (or something like that), lying deliberately about what her role is. Because her teammates had at least two atypical roles (Jack a mock-doctor, Luna a lie detector of some sort), they knew that she shouldn't give speedchuck an authentic claim. Instead she handed over "role cop", which a lie detector can serve as functionally, to avoid raising suspicion in this sometimes backwards setup.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:38 pm Normally I would not vote Luna on a day she is insane, but I feel she has had plenty of time to show defend herself.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:38 pm Normally I would not vote Luna on a day she is insane, but I feel she has had plenty of time to show defend herself.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:39 pm Oh good @dunya you're here. Why are so many voting Luna if she is a lie detector? Doesn't seem like that would be a very helpful role for the mafia.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:39 pm Oh good @dunya you're here. Why are so many voting Luna if she is a lie detector? Doesn't seem like that would be a very helpful role for the mafia.

The roles are pointless to attribute alignment. That's the whole point. Jack was a fake doctor. Leetic was a silencer. Outside of this claim, why is Luna town? Speedchuck said she told him she was a role cop. That's a significant inconsistency. I am waiting for host clarification on Jay's "Lie detector" blip. I should be doing other things now but I'm glued to mafia. Shame on me.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:47 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:42 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 5:39 pm Oh good @dunya you're here. Why are so many voting Luna if she is a lie detector? Doesn't seem like that would be a very helpful role for the mafia.

The roles are pointless to attribute alignment. That's the whole point. Jack was a fake doctor. Leetic was a silencer. Outside of this claim, why is Luna town? Speedchuck said she told him she was a role cop. That's a significant inconsistency. I am waiting for host clarification on Jay's "Lie detector" blip. I should be doing other things now but I'm glued to mafia. Shame on me.

Yeah, Jay is gone to a hockey game and didn't seem like he would be back before EOD. I know you should be doing other things, you have so much to do. Also, Luna hasn't done anything I guess to make me call her civ it's just that I would like for her to be able to explain this whole mess from her viewpoint. I guess a lie detector could be mafia but I just don't get it if it is. I had an easier time believing a role cop could be mafia.