The Syndicate

yeah im sorry tutuu believing the last post I read is a persistent problem that i always have lol

you were right all along

tutuu i’m ignoring you gl

i don’t think it’s possible we live in a two mafia world now that iaafr flipped town. i just choose not to believe it. i don’t see how it makes sense

i think there is one 3P (lc) and one mafia (and i will find out if it’s her tonight because i’m redirecting her again)

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:52 pm yeah im sorry tutuu believing the last post I read is a persistent problem that i always have lol

you were right all along

It's okay. I've made plenty mistakes this game as well.

I do genuinely feel bad for the Mafia team if they lose because of this. It wasn't fair towards them.

I wanted to play this fair and square. I had my posts pre-written, I was ready to come in guns blazing after Long Con was unfortunately misyeeted, and I wanted to play a game of Mafia full of integrity.

So now I'm kinda going back to feeling bad for trying to suck up to Long Con. If I win this game of Mafia like that, is it going to be a sweet victory? Like, am I going to remember this game 1 year from now?

Long Con, the more I think about it, perhaps what's more is if you just give the win that you personally think played best. Or flip a coin. I think, like, morally speaking, I would feel myself the best that way. The first one better maybe. Don't RNG it.

Analyze the game (if you want) and give the team you think played better the win. I am fine with either decision (like either town win or scum win). I think I feel the best about this choice of how to resolve this / it feels the most honorable.

I still see no reason to think that LC can’t win with mafia. Pretty fucked that rabbit would intentionally get himself modkilled. I’m not thinking about this game until tonight.

If we lose because there’s two alive and LC can win with them, I’m blaming rabbit


Anyways, probably need to reevaluate since he’s town

if the last mafia is not amy and i redirect her tonight and find that out, and you still yeet me or amy then town just deserves to lose or there was some screwy mechanic or something and i don’t care at that point. like if that’s the case then fuck this game whatever

it’s literally just not my problem anymore. ive had it with this game. getting yourself modkilled on purpose in endgame is atrocious and if we lose after that it’s not my fault idc

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:54 pm tutuu i’m ignoring you gl

i don’t think it’s possible we live in a two mafia world now that iaafr flipped town. i just choose not to believe it. i don’t see how it makes sense

i think there is one 3P (lc) and one mafia (and i will find out if it’s her tonight because i’m redirecting her again)

If you are town why didn't you realize this already ages ago Hally?

Genuinely think if you are town and Amy is the very last Mafia you played last day poorly, Hally.

You could have done so much more today. Amy was outed Mafia from your PoV, and you just voteparked Long Con.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 1:57 pm I still see no reason to think that LC can’t win with mafia. Pretty fucked that rabbit would intentionally get himself modkilled. I’m not thinking about this game until tonight.

If we lose because there’s two alive and LC can win with them, I’m blaming rabbit


Anyways, probably need to reevaluate since he’s town

LC can win with the Mafia. He implied it himself. He's a survivor. First he needs to yeet 2 Mafia (to account for balance since he was initially Town), and then he can win with Mafia.

Nanook, please read my posts. We are going to lose if you keep antagonizing and putting pressure on LC. He is the one who decides which team wins this game, do you not see?

There ARE two alive and LC CAN win with them but we still CAN win, if you are cooperative with me.

Please, Nanook.

nah tutuu i didn’t play it poorly

if any is the last wolf then by yeeting lc last day and getting another night phase i can mechanically out her as being the last mafia by redirecting her

that is always the play

i don’t care if your expectations of how i should have played are different

you are wrong

i don’t even believe there’s two mafia anymore. rabbit flipping town foreclosed that possibility to me and if there is actually two mafia lc has to be one of them imo and in that case yeeting him last day was entirely correct

hence why i said that regardless of the world yeeting lc and then mechanically outing amy tonight was correct

you refuse to except that i could have this perspective because you refuse to accept i’m town. that’s not my issue

If we lose because a townie got themselves modkilled and the 3p scum sided I don’t give a fuck, I’m not going to start sucking up and hoping they kingmake. Fuck that.

And tbh the more you suck up to LC the less I think you’re town

God I hope there’s only one left or this is just fucked

also if lc is 3P that can scum side and win with them he counts for their numbers as voting power

so i legitimately dint understand how you can write “lc van side with mafia” and “it was incorrect to yeet lc last day” in the same post

it absolutely was not lmao

First of all, you don't need to suck up to me or anything, I intend to Lynch Mafia as I always have. I agree that lynching me is what the mafia want.

You said that I implied that I could win with the mafia. That isn't quite accurate. If I don't win by lynching one more Mafia, I don't know what happens next. I think there will be some change. Maybe I'll become a serial killer. I really don't know, and I really don't think we need to find out.

Second of all, just a small thing, but the world you presented where you survive a night kill on night one requires an extra kill, because I sure as hell did take one in the vest. Count on it.

Third, did the mathematics change when rabbit died, and now lynching a third-party player isn't the best way to go? That would be really cool.

I don't refuse to have the perspective you are town Hally.

I refuse to believe you chose to yeet 3P (who only passive defensive abilities) over someone who you know is Mafia.

We probably should still yeet Amy first and if you're town then that's great.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:07 pm If we lose because a townie got themselves modkilled and the 3p scum sided I don’t give a fuck, I’m not going to start sucking up and hoping they kingmake. Fuck that.

And tbh the more you suck up to LC the less I think you’re town

You don't need to suck up, you just don't need to continually be rude to him. You aren't hoping that he kingmakes, he will kingmake, if Hally is Mafia together with Amy.

You are wrong to think I'm Mafia for wanting to convince LC to townside. Can you imagine I have a different personality than yours?

I asked you to please calm down and cooperate with me. Maybe I shouldn't insist now since the temperature is still emotional, but we can talk later.

Please don't be paranoid of me. I am still town, I outed a Mafia, independently of mechanics I have been consistently towny.

After some time passed and we talk together ITT, let's give it our best effort, okay?

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:09 pm First of all, you don't need to suck up to me or anything, I intend to Lynch Mafia as I always have. I agree that lynching me is what the mafia want.

You said that I implied that I could win with the mafia. That isn't quite accurate. If I don't win by lynching one more Mafia, I don't know what happens next. I think there will be some change. Maybe I'll become a serial killer. I really don't know, and I really don't think we need to find out.

Second of all, just a small thing, but the world you presented where you survive a night kill on night one requires an extra kill, because I sure as hell did take one in the vest. Count on it.

Third, did the mathematics change when rabbit died, and now lynching a third-party player isn't the best way to go? That would be really cool.

I will not allow you to get yeeted. You need 1 more Mafia yeet to fulfill your wincon.

After that I don't know what happens. Maybe you vote for whoever you want - hence King Maker, if Hally is Mafia with Amy. Maybe you just disappear from the game and Mafia wins by parity (if Hally Mafia with Amy)

Tommorrow we are yeeting Amy who should be confirmed Mafia for everyone at this point

If the opportunity came up for me to knowingly win with the mafia, I don't see any incentive to take it. I've enjoyed being on this wild ride with the town, and frankly if Hally is Mafia then they probably tried to kill me night one, so no love lost there.

Also, when I asked my math question, I didn't realize that the rabbit mod kill had ended the day, I thought we were still a few hours from Lynch. Silly LC.

Good point. If Hally is Mafia they redirected Town!Vigilante!MR's shot on you N1.

Also I'm town and I'm repeatedly trying to save you over and over again!

linki:

yes, it's 3v2v1 atm worst case scenario

Tommorrow 2v2v1

After Amy yeet 2v1v1

After night kill 1v1v1

Hence you will decide who wins, or if Hally is town, we just all win with Amy's flip

think it's quite possible it's just amy, and hally is town

hally still really feels honest and towny to me overall

the only hangup is what tutuu's been saying about them refusing to go after amy yesterday, and it could be because stalling for another day could basically win them the game if they are mafia together.

but i think no matter what, assuming parity isn't just fucking reached overnight if lc can win with them or whatever, i think we just always yeet amy tomorrow and if that ends the game then great.

listen

here is what is going to happen

i’m redirecting amy tonight to a random player of my choosing who is not lc

if that person doesn’t die and gets hit with amy’s ability, i will assume i actually redirected her and that she mechanically cannot be the last wolf

if you choose to disbelieve my result and yeet amy or me anyway, town will lose probably and we will deserve to lose

if there is some other mechanical fuckery that makes it so the clears are wrong or the peek on me again fails, then what the fuck ever i don’t care we can lose

if lc scum sides and we lose because of that, again what the fuck ever

i am absolved from any responsibility from this point forward if we lose

you either believe whatever mech info i give after tonight or you don’t. you either finally see that i’m town or you don’t

the ball is in your court

I would much, much rather look at Nanook at the end of the game and say, "Well, well, well, looks like it was good to trust me, and we both won, just like I fucking said." than to say, "Ho ho ho, you were right all along, never trust long con!"

Believe it.

Halle, what if the scum decide not to kill? Do we Yeet Amy then?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:19 pm if that person doesn’t die and gets hit with amy’s ability, i will assume i actually redirected her and that she mechanically cannot be the last wolf

i mean. obviously this works if you're her teammate lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:21 pm Halle, what if the scum decide not to kill? Do we Yeet Amy then?

i dont think scum can no kill? if there is no kill i probably just assume it’s amy tbh

idfk

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:22 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:19 pm if that person doesn’t die and gets hit with amy’s ability, i will assume i actually redirected her and that she mechanically cannot be the last wolf

i mean. obviously this works if you're her teammate lol

obviously

but i’m not

gl

nut you’re like a wind vane

tutuu speaks, i’m lock scum with any

amy speaks, tutuu is lock scum with iaafr

tutuu speaks again, i’m mafia with amy again

and each time your opinion changes it’s locked in and is confirmed gg

like.... please

i mean amy is actually lock scum now tho


unless it's you and tutuu which....i don't *think* works idk

can it be just tutuu

idk im done thinking until next phase if i live

and that's all my posts for the night lol rip

someone tell me this

why are we assuming there’s two mafia left and in that world there is also 3P!lc

there are not 5 mafia plus a 3P

either there’s two mafia left and lc is one of them (and radishes was town)

or lc is 3P and there’s one mafia left (and radishes was scum)

and tell me why or how radishes was town if you want me to care about you calling me scum. because i don’t see how he could have been town or how i am teamed with him in any realistic assessment of the game

[mention]nutella[/mention] Just a reminder you used up all 5 of your posts tonight. Please don't make any more!

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:36 pm i mean amy is actually lock scum now tho


unless it's you and tutuu which....i don't *think* works idk

can it be just tutuu

idk im done thinking until next phase if i live

and that's all my posts for the night lol rip

amy is not lock scum if i redirect her and she doesn’t get outed

whether you believe or don’t believe this is your prerogative

Hally, what's your best theory as to why tutuu couldn't role check you last night? Sorry if you've already said

if there’s a 3P that can scum side then 4 mafia plus 1 3P makes total sense

i don’t think we are in a 5 mafia plus 1 3P world. that’s just dumb

we’ve just been assuming 5 mafia because we thought town was so OP but we have literally no idea how OP scum was

also we didn’t have a 3P claim until now

so why are we still assuming 5 mafia

it’s four mafia plus a 3P!lc or lc is lying and is mafia

these are the options to me

5 mafia plus a 3P!lc makes no sense

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:37 pm someone tell me this

why are we assuming there’s two mafia left and in that world there is also 3P!lc

there are not 5 mafia plus a 3P

either there’s two mafia left and lc is one of them (and radishes was town)

or lc is 3P and there’s one mafia left (and radishes was scum)

and tell me why or how radishes was town if you want me to care about you calling me scum. because i don’t see how he could have been town or how i am teamed with him in any realistic assessment of the game

I assume there are 2 Mafia left due to the way you and Amy are treating each other. LC is 3p because 1) he is obvously not lying and 2) due to the way the OP was worded ("there are only 2 factions at the start)

You are right that there are no 5 mafia plus a 3P. There are 4 Mafia and 1 Town who became 3P.

There are either 2 Mafia left (you and Amy) or 1 mafia left (just Amy)

I am inclined to believe Radishes was Town because:

1) LC seems to be telling the truth about his vest being broken n1. You are a Redirector. Your ability fails if you try to target Mafia to another Mafia. Hence if LC was w/w with Radishes, your ability never would have worked, and LC would have never been attacked. If you want to argue he fake claimed him being shot - how did he even know in the first place? He claimed before Hally did.

Therefore it's borderline impossible for LC and Master Radishes to be w/w

LC is 3P and Master Radishes was Town.

Why is it impossible for LC to be 3P and MR to be Mafia?

It is possible. That's the world where Amy is the final scum left.

I believe it's not very likely due to the way Hally continually refuses to bury Amy. I believe Hally could have reached the conclusion that Amy is confirmed Mafia from their PoV ages ago. I respect Hally as a player and I believe in their ability to realize that. Therefore I am inclined to believe they are Mafia, instead of playing Day 5 the way they played.

However, I could wrong, and we will still win tommorrow!

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] [mention]nutella[/mention] Please, read this post and tell me if I'm wrong on anything

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 2:41 pm Hally, what's your best theory as to why tutuu couldn't role check you last night? Sorry if you've already said

i have absolutely no idea but it has nothing to do with my role

i wasn’t told i was ascetic or anything

[mention]tutuu[/mention] why does town!me have to bury amy or do it on your timetable?

yeeting lc was correct even if he’s 3P who can scum side and amy is the last mafia because we have the numbers to afford it

getting another peek and redirect off is correct because if it comes back that mechanically the poe is wrong we need to entertain misclears

like... there is absolutely no reason why town!me has to bury amy immediately last day

if she’s the last wolf she can’t win anyway so who cares if i yeet her last day or this day

what you’re doing is looking at me not burying amy and using that to confbias yourself into a world where there are two wolves and it has to be amy and me

but my play also makes perfect sense if i’m a villager and amy is a villager or if i’m a villager and amy is a wolf. likewise her play makes sense from those angles too

obviously if you take all the claims and mechs entirely at face value and assume no fuckery whatsoever we cannot both be villagers, but the villager between us didn’t necessarily know that until rabbit just flipped town

and like, i don’t necessarily assume no misclears or mechanic fuckery or fake claims or anything. i also don’t assume lc is actually being entirely truthful or not outright lying

so from my pov, what i’ve been doing makes perfect sense

fucking hell ok

i don't think we can be in a 5 wolf world anymore?

so 4 wolves, radishes w, and it's tutuu OR radishes v and it's like hally/nutella or something

I'm tired

tutuu if you're a villager please explain how I'm outed from your pov

1/30

goddammit i wanted to flip tutuu first rabbit you didn't have to do that

2/30

[mention]Hally[/mention] what happens if you attempt to redirect a player who's holstering their action

3/30

You should know iaafr was town because you redirected him to WWH, Hally, and WWH didn't die.

That's only possible in a world where iaafr was Mafia with someone else.

Iaafr couldn't have been Mafia with Amy, I think we can all agree?

Iaafr could have only been Mafia with LC from your PoV.

In a world where you're afraid of Iaafr + LC Mafia team, it does make sense for you to yeet LC first.

However, that is only possible in a world where Master Radishes was town. Not once did you entertain MR could have been town. You continually insisted that "you want to die on the hill" that MR was Mafia, Hally.

Look, if you are town, we can talk about this more post-game. Maybe I was too harsh to disparage your play if you're town, and I will apologize if I see you are town. We can talk about this later!

[mention]Amy[/mention] I am town. I know Nutella is town. I believe Nanook is town because he dayvigged a Mafia. LC is extremely obvious town->3p.

Leaves me with you and Hally.

Hally cannot be the very last Mafia, because in that world, Hally is w/w with Master Radishes. I do not believe that is the case, ever!

i don’t even know if i should redirect amy because i’m 99% sure nobody will believe me if i come back and say she’s clear because nobody fucking trusts me in this game

like, if she’s just gonna get yeeted regardless of what i say then why should i even bother trying to clear her

Amy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:06 pm @Hally what happens if you attempt to redirect a player who's holstering their action

3/30

i have no idea, i can ask but assume nothing? like i don’t think i can force someone to target if they aren’t already targeting

Long Con, Nutella and Nanook, please note how Hally refuses to engage with me in my arguments!

They are AtEing, and they will most likely respond to AtE with this post as well.

I don't mean to egg on you Hally, I'm just playing towards my wincon here.

mm ok

trying to determine whether targeting LC or targeting hally is correct as far as proving myself off this redirect goes

4/30

Targeting me has an 80% chance of failing.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:26 pm Targeting me has an 80% chance of failing.

i am aware, yes

i just need someone off of whom hally can redirect me, since they're claimed redirecting to not-you

i could target hally buut then there's no accountability for the people who believe in a hally-amy w/w world - and then if hally winds up being a wolf after all, i probably just get hardcore framed somehow

whereas if i target you it probably fails and there'll always be that niggling bit of doubt if nobody winds up postcount boosted

but either way the person i'm being redirected to isn't dying because i'm not the last wolf so shrug

would have to be exactly a hally frame job or an extremely lucky guess

5/30

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:07 pm You should know iaafr was town because you redirected him to WWH, Hally, and WWH didn't die.

That's only possible in a world where iaafr was Mafia with someone else.

this is just incorrect

if i assume you’re telling the truth about your peek on me failing, there is a roleblock that is unaccounted for and could have blocked my redirect the night i redirected iaafr to wwh

there wasnt even a way for me to know whether iaafr was not the roleblocker himself because he didn’t claim

(although actually i’m not sure how actions would be resolved if i tried to redirect a roleblocker who was blocking me. does my redirect or their block take precedence if we cross target idfk. but iaafr wasn’t the roleblocker so whatever)

but like, if i still assume you aren’t lying about your peek on me failing, there’s still a role block in the mix and therefore i could not mechanically know iaafr was not the final mafia even with my redirect because i don’t know whether i was blocked

i also don’t even know if you’re not lying about your peek on me falling, because idfk how that is possible or where a roleblocker would magically appear from

like you’re assuming that i, as a villager, know things that it is actually impossible for me, as a villager, to know

actually if someone had reminded me about the iaafr=>WWH redirect this morning i absolutely would have been gunning for tutuu as the only possible PoE option in the w!Radishes world

cause i completely forgot about it

c'est la vie

[mention]nutella[/mention] i want to point out that everything i said about a w!radishes world still makes sense if you drop the total wolfcount by 1 and assume it was JUST tutuu going deep. if you DISAGREE please talk to me. i need to work with people, figure shit out.

6/30

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:30 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:07 pm You should know iaafr was town because you redirected him to WWH, Hally, and WWH didn't die.

That's only possible in a world where iaafr was Mafia with someone else.

this is just incorrect

if i assume you’re telling the truth about your peek on me failing, there is a roleblock that is unaccounted for and could have blocked my redirect the night i redirected iaafr to wwh

there wasnt even a way for me to know whether iaafr was not the roleblocker himself because he didn’t claim

(although actually i’m not sure how actions would be resolved if i tried to redirect a roleblocker who was blocking me. does my redirect or their block take precedence if we cross target idfk. but iaafr wasn’t the roleblocker so whatever)

but like, if i still assume you aren’t lying about your peek on me failing, there’s still a role block in the mix and therefore i could not mechanically know iaafr was not the final mafia even with my redirect because i don’t know whether i was blocked

i also don’t even know if you’re not lying about your peek on me falling, because idfk how that is possible or where a roleblocker would magically appear from

like you’re assuming that i, as a villager, know things that it is actually impossible for me, as a villager, to know

No, Hally. You are just cherry picking my post and ignoring the other juicy stuff, but I will still respond to you fully.

Me being roleblocked from checking you came from you being Ascetic. If Mafia had an active roleblock:

-They chose not to roleblock me N2 on the night I green peeked WWH (remember I claimed D2)
-They chose not to roleblock Benson on N2 so that they can kill me N2
-They chose not to roleblock me N3 on the night I green peeked Nutella

ADDITIONALLY

Redirect happens before Roleblock. Pretty sure that's standard across pretty much everywhere. Actually not 100% sure on that one but I think it's a fair assumption, and I don't bother enough to make sure, because I'm still yeeting Amy before you! Again, if you're interested in an argument of "Tutuu stop saying that I played suboptimally", again, we will have this discussion post-game. If you're interested in an argument of "Tutuu don't yeet me after Amy flips Mafia and the game doesn't end" - you are out of luck, Hally.


linki: Amy, if I'm the very last Wolf:

-I bussed KZA (I wasn't awake for EoD but he was in my 4 scumreads)
-I bussed Master Radishes
-I bussed colonialbob, not only by scumread, but by red checking him

My final Day 1 scumreads were:

Hally, ColonialBob, MasterRadishes, KZA

You can check for yourself!

(Actually those were my N1 reads. After KZA flipped. My bad. Uhh I forgot my Day 1 (pre-flip) reads. Don't care enough to check. Anyway, it doesn't really matter)

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:37 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:30 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:07 pm You should know iaafr was town because you redirected him to WWH, Hally, and WWH didn't die.

That's only possible in a world where iaafr was Mafia with someone else.

this is just incorrect

if i assume you’re telling the truth about your peek on me failing, there is a roleblock that is unaccounted for and could have blocked my redirect the night i redirected iaafr to wwh

there wasnt even a way for me to know whether iaafr was not the roleblocker himself because he didn’t claim

(although actually i’m not sure how actions would be resolved if i tried to redirect a roleblocker who was blocking me. does my redirect or their block take precedence if we cross target idfk. but iaafr wasn’t the roleblocker so whatever)

but like, if i still assume you aren’t lying about your peek on me failing, there’s still a role block in the mix and therefore i could not mechanically know iaafr was not the final mafia even with my redirect because i don’t know whether i was blocked

i also don’t even know if you’re not lying about your peek on me falling, because idfk how that is possible or where a roleblocker would magically appear from

like you’re assuming that i, as a villager, know things that it is actually impossible for me, as a villager, to know

No, Hally. You are just cherry picking my post and ignoring the other juicy stuff, but I will still respond to you fully.

Me being roleblocked from checking you came from you being Ascetic. If Mafia had an active roleblock:

-They chose not to roleblock me N2 on the night I green peeked WWH (remember I claimed D2)
-They chose not to roleblock Benson on N2 so that they can kill me N2
-They chose not to roleblock me N3 on the night I green peeked Nutella

ADDITIONALLY

Redirect happens before Roleblock. Pretty sure that's standard across pretty much everywhere. Actually not 100% sure on that one but I think it's a fair assumption, and I don't bother enough to make sure, because I'm still yeeting Amy before you! Again, if you're interested in an argument of "Tutuu stop saying that I played suboptimally", again, we will have this discussion post-game. If you're interested in an argument of "Tutuu don't yeet me after Amy flips Mafia and the game doesn't end" - you are out of luck, Hally.


linki: Amy, if I'm the very last Wolf:

-I bussed KZA (I wasn't awake for EoD but he was in my 4 scumreads)
-I bussed Master Radishes
-I bussed colonialbob, not only by scumread, but by red checking him

My final Day 1 scumreads were:

Hally, ColonialBob, MasterRadishes, KZA

You can check for yourself!

Everyone alive scumread KZA. Everyone alive scumread MR. Everyone alive except me scumread Bob and that's mostly because I was too lazy to read his posts D1.

[LC excluded from "everyone alive" for lol3p reasons]

In a world where MR was wolf, literally everyone currently in contention would have had to bussed all 3 of them. What's this argument supposed to do for me? And why would a wolf NOT fake a redcheck on her partner if her partner's already dead in the water, as bob effectively was?

7/30

Because I'm not Mafia, and I am going to kill you, Amy.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:37 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:30 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 3:07 pm You should know iaafr was town because you redirected him to WWH, Hally, and WWH didn't die.

That's only possible in a world where iaafr was Mafia with someone else.

this is just incorrect

if i assume you’re telling the truth about your peek on me failing, there is a roleblock that is unaccounted for and could have blocked my redirect the night i redirected iaafr to wwh

there wasnt even a way for me to know whether iaafr was not the roleblocker himself because he didn’t claim

(although actually i’m not sure how actions would be resolved if i tried to redirect a roleblocker who was blocking me. does my redirect or their block take precedence if we cross target idfk. but iaafr wasn’t the roleblocker so whatever)

but like, if i still assume you aren’t lying about your peek on me failing, there’s still a role block in the mix and therefore i could not mechanically know iaafr was not the final mafia even with my redirect because i don’t know whether i was blocked

i also don’t even know if you’re not lying about your peek on me falling, because idfk how that is possible or where a roleblocker would magically appear from

like you’re assuming that i, as a villager, know things that it is actually impossible for me, as a villager, to know

No, Hally. You are just cherry picking my post and ignoring the other juicy stuff, but I will still respond to you fully.

Me being roleblocked from checking you came from you being Ascetic. If Mafia had an active roleblock:

-They chose not to roleblock me N2 on the night I green peeked WWH (remember I claimed D2)
-They chose not to roleblock Benson on N2 so that they can kill me N2
-They chose not to roleblock me N3 on the night I green peeked Nutella

ADDITIONALLY

Redirect happens before Roleblock. Pretty sure that's standard across pretty much everywhere. Actually not 100% sure on that one but I think it's a fair assumption, and I don't bother enough to make sure, because I'm still yeeting Amy before you! Again, if you're interested in an argument of "Tutuu stop saying that I played suboptimally", again, we will have this discussion post-game. If you're interested in an argument of "Tutuu don't yeet me after Amy flips Mafia and the game doesn't end" - you are out of luck, Hally.


linki: Amy, if I'm the very last Wolf:

-I bussed KZA (I wasn't awake for EoD but he was in my 4 scumreads)
-I bussed Master Radishes
-I bussed colonialbob, not only by scumread, but by red checking him

My final Day 1 scumreads were:

Hally, ColonialBob, MasterRadishes, KZA

You can check for yourself!

1) you’re assuming as a fact that i am ascetic. i’m not. i know i’m not, or if i am i was not informed of this at all and loltony forever

2) what i actually want from you is to not yeet amy if i am able to mechanically clear her from being the last wolf via my redirect. but you won’t because you don’t care what i say, so in that case see you post game when you make us lose if you’re a villager

3) i don’t remember you scum reading or pushing radishes D1 at all. i remember you sheeping alison in her push of me and siding with her saying that i was scum and radishes was town. if you did push radishes at all, i think it was only after he had that terrible interaction with nanook re: kza amd was dead in the water anyway once kza flipped. but i don’t know if my recollection is actually accurate and don’t care enough to fact check you for real