Everyone's JOATED: Guillo's Roles (Town Wins)

[Scotty]

The logical move here is to vote me, but I am going to be town. This is possibly MYLO.

The other move here is to think of other options.
Here’s a few:

Why HK is bad:
He started as town, and was rezzed, but we don’t know that he was rezzed with his precious alignment. If someone can show me proof, otherwise this sounds like an easy way to coast to the end. Plus, Martin voted for him which made all of us put on our angry train conductor hats because ‘the nerve of this guy’. But that certainly makes HK look better.

The soup may actually be fake:
So hear me out on this possible gambit I was thinking about. Lime Coke is the one I’m most sus about in this soup. The other ones don’t have scum equity based on their actions and what has happened thus far in game to them.

But scenario: Lime Coke makes some despairing “soft claim” of doctor after honey dies. Put in soup. Factional kill is still in play. The vig shot in nook’s revealed role may be a red herring to legitimize the soup puzzle. He coasts. Because let’s be honest, what has LC done since honey died? Nothing.

Seeing that nook flipped with vig is curious and puts a slight wrinkle on the ‘fake soup kill’ option tho.

I'm sorry, did you miss the part of my card that says I resurrect with the same alignment as I died with? Because that's the only thing I can think of that would get you walking down the "hk flipped town but came back wolf" trail unless you are a wolf and need to exe me to win.

It's in the main discord channel btw if you wanna go look at it.

So your wolf reads now would be me/Lime?

Yes HK, i responded at the same time with my qualms of my scenario

[Scotty]

If HK is town, then someone on the soup kill HAS to be mafia. And I’m in no position to convince everyone of that. Because I’m boxed in a corner. Would be super brilliant move for myself to do so as mafia. I’m not that dumb

[Alison]

Scotty fullclaim please.

[Alison]

You aren't getting souped at this point.

[Alison]

Also you don't get to pull the "why would I put myself in a corner as mafia" card when I'm pretty sure the kills were on clears and were blocked by the bodyguards.

[Scotty]

Dolby:
-killed our consensus red check in TSP = not AI, but town-sided.
-Lie checked and killed Ender in cold blood = the ultimate bus, would be VERY hard to scum read him after that. If he’s mafia, he’s played a very town-sided game, and would be very hard to want to lynch him for it.

[Scotty]

You aren't getting souped at this point.

We don’t know that

[Alison]

The other thing is that I don't understand why you think it's MyLo when you seem willing to clear everyone except LC.

Possibly you have something up your sleeve (a second soup? Some extra KP mechanic?) that you think could maybe help you win the game if you get a misexe today and that's why you're gunning for LC as the softest clear you can possibly swing the vote on.

[Alison]

Actually you're right, LC being solo scum with a soup remaining would win if Scotty was town and claimed his role. Since right now an LC making a soupkill would kill Mac, HK and Dolby but leave me and Scotty alive.

[Scotty]

The other thing is that I don't understand why you think it's MyLo when you seem willing to clear everyone except LC.

Possibly you have something up your sleeve (a second soup? Some extra KP mechanic?) that you think could maybe help you win the game if you get a misexe today and that's why you're gunning for LC as the softest clear you can possibly swing the vote on.

I’m not clearing anyone, and I’m currently going through everyone’s scum equity

I’ve never advocated for claiming roles, though you seem unperturbed in doing so

[Alison]

If it's between you and LC I'm far more inclined to vote you though.

[Scotty]

If it's between you and LC I'm far more inclined to vote you though.

I understand.

[Scotty]

Oh, and not that it clears me, but how do you like my flavor card, Alison?

[Alison]

It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

[Scotty]

It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

My intent was to hold it once I could be more consensus town, which I thought I was until d4 when I had some more people pipe up that I wasn’t, and so I shipped it odd to someone that could use it more. Wanted to give it to Mac but settled on you.

Yours is nice, good early game, I don’t think I have a great use for it. Don’t know how you have utilized it at all this game to influence your reads tho

[Scotty]

It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

Also how dare: NEVER eat a NK? I get NK’d more than lynched if my memory serves me right, and I think I have been an ok target thank you very much

[Scotty]

Me full claiming will do absolutely nothing but add to potential soup btw, because I haven’t used ANY of my potential roles, so it’s a waste to even admit it.

[Alison]

Why not give it to Mac?

Town votes Alison for NK immunity, mafia can't kill me so they aim their gun at Mac instead.

Mac gets your flavor card, Mac steals NK immunity, kill is blocked. It's what I would have done in your shoes.

[Alison]

You haven't used a single role this game?

[Alison]

It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

My intent was to hold it once I could be more consensus town, which I thought I was until d4 when I had some more people pipe up that I wasn’t, and so I shipped it odd to someone that could use it more. Wanted to give it to Mac but settled on you.

Yours is nice, good early game, I don’t think I have a great use for it. Don’t know how you have utilized it at all this game to influence your reads tho

Mine didn't trigger on any night I was visited so it was basically blank. It's a shame, I could have outed the kidnapper with it early.

[Alison]

Would you be willing to claim the category of your roles? Like, investigative, protective, killing, etc.?

[hollowkatt]

It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

My intent was to hold it once I could be more consensus town, which I thought I was until d4 when I had some more people pipe up that I wasn’t, and so I shipped it odd to someone that could use it more. Wanted to give it to Mac but settled on you.

Yours is nice, good early game, I don’t think I have a great use for it. Don’t know how you have utilized it at all this game to influence your reads tho

Mine didn't trigger on any night I was visited so it was basically blank. It's a shame, I could have outed the kidnapper with it early.

speaking of, have we flipped the kidnapper yet?

[Alison]

No, it's the last scum. See the mod post on SOD today.

[Scotty]

Why not give it to Mac?

Town votes Alison for NK immunity, mafia can't kill me so they aim their gun at Mac instead.

Mac gets your flavor card, Mac steals NK immunity, kill is blocked. It's what I would have done in your shoes.

Well unfortunately you are not in my shoes, which is probably fine because they’re old and grungy

[Alison]

Would you be willing to claim the category of your roles? Like, investigative, protective, killing, etc.?

^

[Scotty]

Would you be willing to claim the category of your roles? Like, investigative, protective, killing, etc.?

Yes, I am protective and suicidal. And I haven’t done any of the above lol. Like literally one of my roles is dog shit tier

[Scotty]

You haven't used a single role this game?

My role is conditional and none of those conditions were met.

[Scotty]

That’s all I’ll say for that, because I think the souper will still have a hard time figuring that out

[Alison]

Suicidal. Really.

[Alison]

I'm going to wait for the remainder of the town to check in and then I'm going to try something.

[Scotty]

I’m also aware that Dolby can probably use his lie detector role again today as it’s been a full cycle.

Here’s one: I’m town.

[Alison]

@Dolby Do you have a check left?

[Scotty]

I realllllly don’t expect HK to have been rezzed by mafia. That role would be super OP. Don’t want to believe it. It’s gotta be someone in the Oceanic Four.

Like, has anyone heard of a role that can recruit to your team someone that was dead?

[Alison]

He was rezzed by his flavor card apparently.

[Scotty]

He was rezzed by his flavor card apparently.

Yes, that is what his flavor card says, and my point was that if there were a mafia role that could Rez him, they would count on that. Because who would go against a confirmed town?

The only thing confirming he is still town is HK saying so.

Granted, it hinges on the believability that that role could exist for mafia.

Otherwise, it’s more likely someone in the soup

[Scotty]

I don’t usually get this far into games. Like I’m super unprepared but have to get up to do a group presentation and I don’t know what to do with my hands

[hollowkatt]

He was rezzed by his flavor card apparently.

Yes, that is what his flavor card says, and my point was that if there were a mafia role that could Rez him, they would count on that. Because who would go against a confirmed town?

The only thing confirming he is still town is HK saying so.

Granted, it hinges on the believability that that role could exist for mafia.

Otherwise, it’s more likely someone in the soup

If we miss today we lose

[hollowkatt]

why aren't you hammering that scotty?

[Scotty]

why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Hammering what

[Scotty]

An Active Role Has Been Revealed!

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Mafia Jack Of All Trades.

You win upon reaching parity to town and all other threats to your survival are dead. You may holster your actions

As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night by private messaging any of the hosts. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.
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As Mafia Jack Of All Trades, you have access to one or more night actions. Don't have to use in any specific order.

x3 Kidnapper

The player you target that night will be unable to post and vote the next day. Their absence and return will be announced by the mod.

x2 Izanoomi

You may choose a target during the day and cast “Izanoomi” on it, trapping the target in an eternal time-loop in its own mind. During the day the target will only be able to post the same last post it posted to the thread the previous day, except for the vote (if there was one). The target may vote as it normally would but always accompanied by the same post referred to in this role description.

And every night it’ll perform the same action it was targeted by from the night it was trapped with the Izanoomi, against a random non-mafia player. The target will not be informed of this. If it's a killing action and the random player is already dead, your target will still attempt the action but fail. If your target was targeted by more than one player that night, then the action will be randomized between those actions every night.

The curse will automatically be lifted upon your death.

x3 Factional Guillotine Enabler

The Factional Guillotine is a day action that replaces both the factional kill and the soup kill options.
As long as you are alive, your faction may choose to perform the factional guillotine, killing whoever places the last vote on the lynched player that day, disabling the factional night kill and soup kill the following night. You must submit this action at least 15 minutes before the elimination.

If successful, the host will post “A head rolls inadvertently” followed by the target's alignment flip only (without the role).

You got a limited amount of Kidnapper, Izanoomi and Factional Guillotine uses.

This is a bizarre reveal.

We’ve only seen 1 kidnap, and 1 insanifier. What about the other 3??

Wait I need to go back and see if someone that placed their vote at the end was also killed in the night. This role seems to imply it doesn’t hAppen immediately

[hollowkatt]

like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

[hollowkatt]

why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Hammering what

That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose

[Scotty]

N1- Alison gets kidnapped
N2- GG last vote on HK. Wasn’t killed. What role was used here from that list?
N3- guillo/Flea last vote for GG. Wasn’t killed.
D4/N4- Mac is insanified
N5- who the hell knows who voted last for Triple.

Unless the last night was one of the dead townies, I don’t see how this role is real. Unless they were blocked, but I feel like we would have some claimers as such. What happened N2 and n3? Vanilla-ized? It doesn’t make sense

[Scotty]

like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Hammering what

That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose

I think I have mentioned the possibility that this could be MYLO. I don’t need to put it on a sign and glue it to my forehead.

No one is “cleared”, but a lot of the soup people have good
Town equity, and what I’m seeing and saying is that LC has the least town equity in the rest of the list. Would you disagree with that?

[Alison]

The tactician might have redistributed roles, which would explain the delay. We know that kidnapper and time loop are real roles, at least.

[Scotty]

The tactician might have redistributed roles, which would explain the delay. We know that kidnapper and time loop are real roles, at least.

I’m still curious if there is a role that can janitorize role descriptions.

Because if this is the real reveal, we have to believe almost all the reveals unless it’s a town ability which makes no sense

[Scotty]

The tactician might have redistributed roles, which would explain the delay. We know that kidnapper and time loop are real roles, at least.

The closer I look at that role the less I understand how it works

[Scotty]

I have to step away for a bit but I would advise against not hammering me until we look at all the angles

[hollowkatt]

like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Hammering what

That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose

I think I have mentioned the possibility that this could be MYLO. I don’t need to put it on a sign and glue it to my forehead.

No one is “cleared”, but a lot of the soup people have good
Town equity, and what I’m seeing and saying is that LC has the least town equity in the rest of the list. Would you disagree with that?

You mean do I think LC is the most likely wolf in the soup? no. I don't think there is a likely wolf in the soup.

[hollowkatt]

I have to step away for a bit but I would advise against not hammering me until we look at all the angles

I already said I'm not voting till dolby and lime come back to the thread. You've got time