The Syndicate

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:58 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:55 pm The logical move here is to vote me, but I am going to be town. This is possibly MYLO.

The other move here is to think of other options.
Here’s a few:

Why HK is bad:
He started as town, and was rezzed, but we don’t know that he was rezzed with his precious alignment. If someone can show me proof, otherwise this sounds like an easy way to coast to the end. Plus, Martin voted for him which made all of us put on our angry train conductor hats because ‘the nerve of this guy’. But that certainly makes HK look better.

The soup may actually be fake:
So hear me out on this possible gambit I was thinking about. Lime Coke is the one I’m most sus about in this soup. The other ones don’t have scum equity based on their actions and what has happened thus far in game to them.

But scenario: Lime Coke makes some despairing “soft claim” of doctor after honey dies. Put in soup. Factional kill is still in play. The vig shot in nook’s revealed role may be a red herring to legitimize the soup puzzle. He coasts. Because let’s be honest, what has LC done since honey died? Nothing.

Seeing that nook flipped with vig is curious and puts a slight wrinkle on the ‘fake soup kill’ option tho.

I'm sorry, did you miss the part of my card that says I resurrect with the same alignment as I died with? Because that's the only thing I can think of that would get you walking down the "hk flipped town but came back wolf" trail unless you are a wolf and need to exe me to win.

It's in the main discord channel btw if you wanna go look at it.

So your wolf reads now would be me/Lime?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:02 pm You aren't getting souped at this point.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:04 pm The other thing is that I don't understand why you think it's MyLo when you seem willing to clear everyone except LC.

Possibly you have something up your sleeve (a second soup? Some extra KP mechanic?) that you think could maybe help you win the game if you get a misexe today and that's why you're gunning for LC as the softest clear you can possibly swing the vote on.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:06 pm If it's between you and LC I'm far more inclined to vote you though.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:10 pm It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:10 pm It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:10 pm It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

My intent was to hold it once I could be more consensus town, which I thought I was until d4 when I had some more people pipe up that I wasn’t, and so I shipped it odd to someone that could use it more. Wanted to give it to Mac but settled on you.

Yours is nice, good early game, I don’t think I have a great use for it. Don’t know how you have utilized it at all this game to influence your reads tho

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:17 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:10 pm It's a nice flavor card. Honestly kinda scummy you kept it this long given that you'd never eat an NK and other people could use it better than you.

How do you like mine?

My intent was to hold it once I could be more consensus town, which I thought I was until d4 when I had some more people pipe up that I wasn’t, and so I shipped it odd to someone that could use it more. Wanted to give it to Mac but settled on you.

Yours is nice, good early game, I don’t think I have a great use for it. Don’t know how you have utilized it at all this game to influence your reads tho

Mine didn't trigger on any night I was visited so it was basically blank. It's a shame, I could have outed the kidnapper with it early.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:15 pm Why not give it to Mac?

Town votes Alison for NK immunity, mafia can't kill me so they aim their gun at Mac instead.

Mac gets your flavor card, Mac steals NK immunity, kill is blocked. It's what I would have done in your shoes.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:17 pm Would you be willing to claim the category of your roles? Like, investigative, protective, killing, etc.?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:17 pm Would you be willing to claim the category of your roles? Like, investigative, protective, killing, etc.?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:16 pm You haven't used a single role this game?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:33 pm He was rezzed by his flavor card apparently.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:39 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:33 pm He was rezzed by his flavor card apparently.

Yes, that is what his flavor card says, and my point was that if there were a mafia role that could Rez him, they would count on that. Because who would go against a confirmed town?

The only thing confirming he is still town is HK saying so.

Granted, it hinges on the believability that that role could exist for mafia.

Otherwise, it’s more likely someone in the soup

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:18 am

An Active Role Has Been Revealed!

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Mafia Jack Of All Trades.

You win upon reaching parity to town and all other threats to your survival are dead. You may holster your actions

As Mafia, you have access to the Factional Night Kill Action. Players targeted with this action will die at the end of the Night unless protected. Submit your Night Action each night by private messaging any of the hosts. You may change your target as many times as you want. The last action submitted will be used. If no Mafia submit an action, a player will be picked at random from the living non-Mafia players.
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As Mafia Jack Of All Trades, you have access to one or more night actions. Don't have to use in any specific order.

x3 Kidnapper

The player you target that night will be unable to post and vote the next day. Their absence and return will be announced by the mod.

x2 Izanoomi

You may choose a target during the day and cast “Izanoomi” on it, trapping the target in an eternal time-loop in its own mind. During the day the target will only be able to post the same last post it posted to the thread the previous day, except for the vote (if there was one). The target may vote as it normally would but always accompanied by the same post referred to in this role description.

And every night it’ll perform the same action it was targeted by from the night it was trapped with the Izanoomi, against a random non-mafia player. The target will not be informed of this. If it's a killing action and the random player is already dead, your target will still attempt the action but fail. If your target was targeted by more than one player that night, then the action will be randomized between those actions every night.

The curse will automatically be lifted upon your death.

x3 Factional Guillotine Enabler

The Factional Guillotine is a day action that replaces both the factional kill and the soup kill options.
As long as you are alive, your faction may choose to perform the factional guillotine, killing whoever places the last vote on the lynched player that day, disabling the factional night kill and soup kill the following night. You must submit this action at least 15 minutes before the elimination.

If successful, the host will post “A head rolls inadvertently” followed by the target's alignment flip only (without the role).

You got a limited amount of Kidnapper, Izanoomi and Factional Guillotine uses.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Hammering what

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Hammering what

That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm The tactician might have redistributed roles, which would explain the delay. We know that kidnapper and time loop are real roles, at least.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm The tactician might have redistributed roles, which would explain the delay. We know that kidnapper and time loop are real roles, at least.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:08 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm like from your perspective you should be wolf casing literally everyone, even the "soup clears" as hard as you possibly can to not only show that you're town but also to find the last wolf. But you're really not. You're focusing on me and Lime as the softest clears.

Surely you'd be trying to dig into Alison as she's the one the wolves would have gotten wrong based on what's been said in thread up to that point.
I just don't get it

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:00 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:54 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:52 pm why aren't you hammering that scotty?

Hammering what

That if we're wrong today and wolf has a soup available we just lose

I think I have mentioned the possibility that this could be MYLO. I don’t need to put it on a sign and glue it to my forehead.

No one is “cleared”, but a lot of the soup people have good
Town equity, and what I’m seeing and saying is that LC has the least town equity in the rest of the list. Would you disagree with that?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 27, 2021 3:13 pm I have to step away for a bit but I would advise against not hammering me until we look at all the angles