The Syndicate

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:07 pm why are u guys speaking as if ur yeets are imminent? ur both experienced players and u know that a yeet is never a set thing when its only 3 hours into a 48 hour day

Because despite all of my rage...

I'm just a can of coke

Inside of a cage...

i just went through my iso and i have no idea what i said to lead WIml to saying my D2 is awful and he understands why people hate playing with me and dragging me am i fucking insane?

@MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town

like i have no idea what led him to saying im not worth talking to

im going to actually step aside though because im crying now

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:10 pm i just went through my iso and i have no idea what i said to lead WIml to saying my D2 is awful and he understands why people hate playing with me and dragging me am i fucking insane?

like he said earlier he's a bit cranky and socially exhausted

and a little drunk tbh

people get like that playing mafia

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:53 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

I literally explained it lol

you're not the one id suspect of TMI

macdougalls vote is "I agree with esooa" for the most part and nanook never explains reads so

so this is normal for him?
how do you normally read his alignment then

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:07 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:03 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:01 pm im not going to stop my "this is never a real thought" reads because you don't like them
i don't think there's anything wrong w/saying that

if it is a real thought and i'm wrong then sorry

Think why I would be taking this angle with you.

I think some time away from the thread so your sub conscious can process the information here will help you a great deal here too btw.

..the only reason I can think of you taking this angle with me is if you're wolf and know Wiml is town (IE why i changed my vote)?

so im super fucking confused

It is because you did it to me earlier and I have a green check on myself so I know what you doing this to town feels like from the town perspective and I also know how you respond when townies get upset at it. I think Wiml's reaction mirrors mine very strongly.

I can also strongly deduce how I would have responded as wolf and I am very confident I would have been far less stressed and found it very easy to rebuke and probably get town read by you out of it. Generally as wolf I find it very easy to talk my way into being townread.

So as I said until you can show me that you can follow up that tactic and be able to improve your read on the target slot based on the response I think you should just use it silently. It is still probably an OK intuition but rather than telling someone that their thought isn't real ask them to explore it and see if their response actually shows solving thought and depth of reasoning.

Obviously if you are a wolf then fair play and I look dumb as fuck.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town

because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:13 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:53 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

I literally explained it lol

you're not the one id suspect of TMI

macdougalls vote is "I agree with esooa" for the most part and nanook never explains reads so

so this is normal for him?
how do you normally read his alignment then

I policy vote him every game I'm in him with and make close to no attempt to cause I don't enjoy trying to read people who intentionally play into being policy voted for some reason

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town

because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield

But I'm very curious

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm like i have no idea what led him to saying im not worth talking to

im going to actually step aside though because im crying now

I hope you feel better. You're fun to play with.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:10 pm i just went through my iso and i have no idea what i said to lead WIml to saying my D2 is awful and he understands why people hate playing with me and dragging me am i fucking insane?

nobody hates playing with you i woulda quit a while back if u werent around

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm like i have no idea what led him to saying im not worth talking to

im going to actually step aside though because im crying now

Take it easy, you're fine. You're a fun player to talk to, don't listen to others like that.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:10 pm i just went through my iso and i have no idea what i said to lead WIml to saying my D2 is awful and he understands why people hate playing with me and dragging me am i fucking insane?

I didn't mean it like that. What I was trying to say was that you make arguing with you very difficult and I worded that in a poor way, sorry.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town

because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield

But I'm very curious

its just basic shit like you are solving well showing depth of thought etc.

my scumread on you was never based on your play anyway.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:12 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:10 pm i just went through my iso and i have no idea what i said to lead WIml to saying my D2 is awful and he understands why people hate playing with me and dragging me am i fucking insane?

like he said earlier he's a bit cranky and socially exhausted

and a little drunk tbh

people get like that playing mafia

And all of this as well. You couldn't have caught me in a worse mood and I'm sorry if I upset you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town

because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield

But I'm very curious

its just basic shit like you are solving well showing depth of thought etc.

my scumread on you was never based on your play anyway.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5103371



fwiw I think her read was a bit overblown that game

Alexa I think what Wiml meant to say is that being scumread by you sucks a lot. That's fine. But if you don't want to make people feel like that you will have to adjust how you play. I went through a very similar thing and still have to moderate myself because I am similarly tilting when I suspect someone.

alexa I go out of my way to join games that you've signed up for ftr.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town

because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield

But I'm very curious

its just basic shit like you are solving well showing depth of thought etc.

my scumread on you was never based on your play anyway.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5103371



fwiw I think her read was a bit overblown that game

were you maf?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:13 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:53 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

I literally explained it lol

you're not the one id suspect of TMI

macdougalls vote is "I agree with esooa" for the most part and nanook never explains reads so

so this is normal for him?
how do you normally read his alignment then

I policy vote him every game I'm in him with and make close to no attempt to cause I don't enjoy trying to read people who intentionally play into being policy voted for some reason

sigh
so i take that to mean he will do the exact same thing if he rands as maf?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town

because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield

But I'm very curious

its just basic shit like you are solving well showing depth of thought etc.

my scumread on you was never based on your play anyway.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5103371



fwiw I think her read was a bit overblown that game

were you maf?

Yes. Also, that's Hally

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:13 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:53 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

I literally explained it lol

you're not the one id suspect of TMI

macdougalls vote is "I agree with esooa" for the most part and nanook never explains reads so

so this is normal for him?
how do you normally read his alignment then

I policy vote him every game I'm in him with and make close to no attempt to cause I don't enjoy trying to read people who intentionally play into being policy voted for some reason

sigh
so i take that to mean he will do the exact same thing if he rands as maf?

yeh

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:13 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:53 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:52 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:51 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:50 pm i'm gonna go for 30 minutes and if i get back and someone doesn't have a solid case on WIml but ppl keep voting him im gonna assume

1. he's being bussed and wolf

2. wolves are pushing him

it's a crapshoot what i assume in these 2 so good luck :~~~~) because the push on wiml seems awful to me but im slightly worried there's TMI

I literally explained it lol

you're not the one id suspect of TMI

macdougalls vote is "I agree with esooa" for the most part and nanook never explains reads so

so this is normal for him?
how do you normally read his alignment then

I policy vote him every game I'm in him with and make close to no attempt to cause I don't enjoy trying to read people who intentionally play into being policy voted for some reason

sigh
so i take that to mean he will do the exact same thing if he rands as maf?

he occasionally will take more thread control as a wolf

not often, or very frequently, though

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:11 pm @MacDougall why do you not want to explain why I'm town

because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield

But I'm very curious

its just basic shit like you are solving well showing depth of thought etc.

my scumread on you was never based on your play anyway.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5103371



fwiw I think her read was a bit overblown that game

were you maf?

Yes. Also, that's Hally

so you want me to scumread you?

also townie.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:19 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:19 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:18 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:15 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:14 pm

because if I am wrong you will use it all game long as a shield

But I'm very curious

its just basic shit like you are solving well showing depth of thought etc.

my scumread on you was never based on your play anyway.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost5103371



fwiw I think her read was a bit overblown that game

were you maf?

Yes. Also, that's Hally

so you want me to scumread you?

also townie.

No. I want you to be scared

Fwiw, I dislike that nanook isn’t voting me despite making it clear I’m his main fos

BTW Mac shielded myself with Hallys read

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:21 pm Fwiw, I dislike that nanook isn’t voting me despite making it clear I’m his main fos

Technically he's got both of you in his 2 for 2.

I think this game has a few too many people who don't ask their suspects questions and actually read their answers. A lot of snap accusations and not allowing townies to breathe and show their alignment.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:13 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:06 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:04 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:58 pm I'm still not actually sure wiml is a wolf anyways but hopefully it'll be more clear before EoD

I can just tell you why you're wrong tomorrow anyway.

do you think she's a wrong town then?

why do you think v!esooa would read you this poorly?

like the biggest reason i have to wolfread you is something off in that dynamic

I have some worries about misclearing Esooa that I'll also address Esooa but I do still think she's probably town and she has read me much worse than this in the past.

When I say she's the best at reading me, I don’t mean that she's >>>rand accurate as much as I mean she's the person who understands me as a player and how my mind works the most. Which might sound like the same thing and it often is but I don't think it's inherently >rand wolf for her to be wrong on me as long as her read on me reflects that.

well hows ur mind working rn?

i get that u have a lot of pressure on you and its hard to ignore it, but the best way for people to find you is to try and gamesolve in spite of that, you're ur most towny when ur solving but i feel like this game ur focus has been moreso on reactionary play as opposed to solving

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:23 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:21 pm Fwiw, I dislike that nanook isn’t voting me despite making it clear I’m his main fos

Technically he's got both of you in his 2 for 2.

that in itself is worrying considering how me and wiml treated each others slots theres never a world where any townie should realistically believe we can be teamed. if he fosses me he should be townreading wiml and vice versa.

okay well i'm really sorry wiml. the last thing i want to do is make the game unplayable for you. please believe me i have been working really hard to stop tunneling. and working really hard to communicate with my scumreads etcetc. i didn't even scumread you until your comments about my day today (and i'm still not sure i scumread you) but i've been called out as being your biggest defender/partnered with you so obviously i worry people are TMIing you... im really sorry.

also i am an extremely sensitive person so yeah

@ilario

Actually where are your reads at right now? For some reason I haven't noticed your posts today but I don't think you were around until now?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:29 pm okay well i'm really sorry wiml. the last thing i want to do is make the game unplayable for you. please believe me i have been working really hard to stop tunneling. and working really hard to communicate with my scumreads etcetc. i didn't even scumread you until your comments about my day today (and i'm still not sure i scumread you) but i've been called out as being your biggest defender/partnered with you so obviously i worry people are TMIing you... im really sorry.

also i am an extremely sensitive person so yeah

Apology accepted and I'm sorry too, please don't worry about it.

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:29 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:23 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:21 pm Fwiw, I dislike that nanook isn’t voting me despite making it clear I’m his main fos

Technically he's got both of you in his 2 for 2.

that in itself is worrying considering how me and wiml treated each others slots theres never a world where any townie should realistically believe we can be teamed. if he fosses me he should be townreading wiml and vice versa.

if there's anything in this game i'm certain about it's that you and esooa are villagers

I have an inkling Nanook is a town reading the game well.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:32 pm I have an inkling Nanook is a town reading the game well.

Should I beat him?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:33 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:32 pm I have an inkling Nanook is a town reading the game well.

Should I beat him?

i think im comfortable to chop in my original poe

[MAC, Nanook, TSP, Ender]

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:29 pm @ilario

Actually where are your reads at right now? For some reason I haven't noticed your posts today but I don't think you were around until now?

one in wiml/ender

the last in mac/nanook

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:34 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:29 pm @ilario

Actually where are your reads at right now? For some reason I haven't noticed your posts today but I don't think you were around until now?

one in wiml/ender

the last in mac/nanook

why is TSP town?

@ilario who did you think would get night killed

like alison was one of the main people agreeing with me in questioning the townreads on TSP and she died

also yes i am now voting tsp

Before I go to bed to address your TMI thoughts alexa: remember that in order for wolves to win either there us a wolf in me/you/illario/LC/Esooa or wolves have to push for a miselim in that pool.

You also know I'm not the type of wolf to allow a partner to blindly bus me without a good reason, if they're going to have to solo for so long. In that case I would likely be the busser if absolutely necessary because I have a no-bussing meta that I could abuse lol.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:33 pm i think im comfortable to chop in my original poe

[MAC, Nanook, TSP, Ender]

can you iso me and ask me things?

I understand some other people have asked me stuff but I'm not going to answer until tomorrow now.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:35 pm also yes i am now voting tsp

I don't know why but I laughed after reading this.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:36 pm Before I go to bed to address your TMI thoughts alexa: remember that in order for wolves to win either there us a wolf in me/you/illario/LC/Esooa or wolves have to push for a miselim in that pool.

You also know I'm not the type of wolf to allow a partner to blindly bus me without a good reason, if they're going to have to solo for so long. In that case I would likely be the busser if absolutely necessary because I have a no-bussing meta that I could abuse lol.

i believe you

i just don't understand why you're so aggressive over my read on you when it's been the way esooa's reading you this entire game @Wiml