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Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:02 pm**

Gj wilgy looks like I have to retire that read

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:03 pm**

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can you claim your exact role? You claimed 3 night actions but shouldn't a joat claim be every night? I just want this established since it should check out but seemed a bit weird with the setup

Voting Porscha

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:04 pm**

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:03 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME can you claim your exact role? You claimed 3 night actions but shouldn't a joat claim be every night? I just want this established since it should check out but seemed a bit weird with the setup

Voting Porscha

I'm a joat with one shot each of voyeur, motion detect, and track

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:04 pm**

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:06 pm**

Wilgs did really well. You can't imagine my relief last night my mom literally had to ask me if I was okay irl I couldn't stop smiling just happy I put my ego aside.

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:07 pm**

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:06 pm Wilgs did really well. You can't imagine my relief last night my mom literally had to ask me if I was okay irl I couldn't stop smiling just happy I put my ego aside.

This is the cutest thing I've read all week

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 10:44 pm**

Well, we should have some discussion, no?

Posted: **Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:32 pm**

I guess I'm waiting to hear what Porscha says. I felt really solid about my Wilgy/Porscha solve yesterday but it's like we're trapped in a room for 48 hours with the same insane peeps so if she's actually town maybe she can convince me in that time

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 12:51 am**

obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 11:32 pm I guess I'm waiting to hear what Porscha says. I felt really solid about my Wilgy/Porscha solve yesterday but it's like we're trapped in a room for 48 hours with the same insane peeps so if she's actually town maybe she can convince me in that time

that's because you won't stop scum reading

wilgy hard spewed me town

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:30 am**

I'd be okay if you like, *tinfoiled* me being wolf with wilgy but if you think I telegraph the ole yeller thing with him as my wolf partner that would be quite silly. like painfully obvious kind of silly

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:30 am**

all the back and forth we did would be wild as w/w

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:39 am**

like the way wilgy hard defended jack...... makes me think wilgy might be shielding falcon. cuz wilgy went out of his way to repeatedly say falcon was spewed town from the way jack talked about falcon?

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:40 am**

why was ruri killed over confirmed mason creature zz

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:40 am**

@Neon I need your help to figure out last wolf pls assist

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:50 am**

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:07 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Thu Oct 20, 2022 7:06 pm Wilgs did really well. You can't imagine my relief last night my mom literally had to ask me if I was okay irl I couldn't stop smiling just happy I put my ego aside.
This is the cutest thing I've read all week

Truly <3

I'm really sorry about if I added anything during our argument that made anything less enjoyable Obs :/ glad your here ^^

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:51 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:40 am @Neon I need your help to figure out last wolf pls assist

I mostly don't think you're a wolf and I'm willing to at least test bases elsewhere and see if we can find each other.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:53 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

However wrt this Wilgz only switched to you as my wagon dissolved and you became a second target. It didn't feel natural and if the two wagons bearing EoD are W/W and one of you is going over you almost are forced to push each other to make it look as close to good as you can the next day after all your gonna be in the spotlight thread made that really apparent.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:56 am**

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:53 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
However wrt this Wilgz only switched to you as my wagon dissolved and you became a second target. It didn't feel natural and if the two wagons bearing EoD are W/W and one of you is going over you almost are forced to push each other to make it look as close to good as you can the next day after all your gonna be in the spotlight thread made that really apparent.

that's true! But I think wilgy took advantage of the suspicion of me + creature not being around to kill ruri knowing I was still the one person most likely to be pushed today and it didnt matter if he flipped me yesterday to get to lylo (especially since he had the nook read on him being town)

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:06 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:56 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:53 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
However wrt this Wilgz only switched to you as my wagon dissolved and you became a second target. It didn't feel natural and if the two wagons bearing EoD are W/W and one of you is going over you almost are forced to push each other to make it look as close to good as you can the next day after all your gonna be in the spotlight thread made that really apparent.
that's true! But I think wilgy took advantage of the suspicion of me + creature not being around to kill ruri knowing I was still the one person most likely to be pushed today and it didnt matter if he flipped me yesterday to get to lylo (especially since he had the nook read on him being town)

I do think it looks almost too obvious which scares me but Wilgy looked too obvious and was a woof and we let him get away 3 days in a row.

Obviously not Creature

If I'm looking deep I'm looking at Obs but I don't think I can ever push Obs after that post today... forever pocketed.

I know I'm town obviously.

So that leaves me with a pool of 3.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:01 am**

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:06 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:56 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:53 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
However wrt this Wilgz only switched to you as my wagon dissolved and you became a second target. It didn't feel natural and if the two wagons bearing EoD are W/W and one of you is going over you almost are forced to push each other to make it look as close to good as you can the next day after all your gonna be in the spotlight thread made that really apparent.
that's true! But I think wilgy took advantage of the suspicion of me + creature not being around to kill ruri knowing I was still the one person most likely to be pushed today and it didnt matter if he flipped me yesterday to get to lylo (especially since he had the nook read on him being town)
I do think it looks almost too obvious which scares me but Wilgy looked too obvious and was a woof and we let him get away 3 days in a row.

Obviously not Creature

If I'm looking deep I'm looking at Obs but I don't think I can ever push Obs after that post today... forever pocketed.

I know I'm town obviously.

So that leaves me with a pool of 3.

ok out of me, falcon, nook, what are you thinking?

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:30 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:01 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:06 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:56 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:53 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday
However wrt this Wilgz only switched to you as my wagon dissolved and you became a second target. It didn't feel natural and if the two wagons bearing EoD are W/W and one of you is going over you almost are forced to push each other to make it look as close to good as you can the next day after all your gonna be in the spotlight thread made that really apparent.
that's true! But I think wilgy took advantage of the suspicion of me + creature not being around to kill ruri knowing I was still the one person most likely to be pushed today and it didnt matter if he flipped me yesterday to get to lylo (especially since he had the nook read on him being town)
I do think it looks almost too obvious which scares me but Wilgy looked too obvious and was a woof and we let him get away 3 days in a row.

Obviously not Creature

If I'm looking deep I'm looking at Obs but I don't think I can ever push Obs after that post today... forever pocketed.

I know I'm town obviously.

So that leaves me with a pool of 3.
ok out of me, falcon, nook, what are you thinking?

It'sbetween you and Falcon I'm currently on Falcon.

It's tough for me to see Nook wolf but a lot of that feeling is claim based not game play based.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:57 am**

Critically we need to think why Ruri over

Me
Creature
Obs

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:43 am**

I can only assume creature cuz he said he wouldn't really be around? I'd have to look at his iso from yesterday to remember anything else he said
obs b/c he's had scum side reads all game and was already pushing for me and wilgy as w/w yesterday so if wolves are looking for the ML on me then keeping oscar alive is paramount
you? I don't know. if it was between you and ruri, I can only assume they chose ruri over you because of her PR

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:50 am**

do you have any other thoughts about the NK's?

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:53 am**

you aren't surprised nook didn't die?

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:11 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 4:53 am you aren't surprised nook didn't die?

I am kind of. But I don't think I'm as confused by that as say Creature.

Ruri makes sense in one way and one way only.

Creature and Obs have never had any substantial push on them Creature is outed town lol. Ruri had mild pressure.

Nook just doesn't feel as much of like a priority when I think about how I feel wolves would act here.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:46 am**

I think Neon/NANOOK are town and Creature clear

My POE is probably Porscha/Falcon? I think Anne made a point that Jack shielded Falcon when he may not have necessarily needed to if Falcon was a villager. Plus I think the OP confirms the last mafia is 100% vanilla so the track may not matter as much

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 7:34 am**

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 6:46 am I think Neon/NANOOK are town and Creature clear

My POE is probably Porscha/Falcon? I think Anne made a point that Jack shielded Falcon when he may not have necessarily needed to if Falcon was a villager. Plus I think the OP confirms the last mafia is 100% vanilla so the track may not matter as much

Intresting.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:48 am**

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:57 am Critically we need to think why Ruri over

Me
Creature
Obs

- Ruri was never getting mislynched after a roleblocker flip
- Ruri could still be holding a doctor shot to use to protect me
- By killing Ruri, wolves ensure she can't protect anyone anymore
- Also now my 1-shot track I can give after death is probably useless, but idk if wolves though about that

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:49 am**

I guess wolves probably had the common sense to kill Ruri instead of playing doc dodge for the rest of the game in hopes to mislynch Ruri when it definitely wasn't going through.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 9:51 am**

I remember last night my solve was NANOOK/Porscha, with maybe obscurity rolling us.

I guess aorn the only strong townread I have is Neon. idk how much I'm counting on falcon45ca being town.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:09 am**

i'm still attached to my Porscha/Wilgy solve

like i don't read Porscha's post and think she's wolfy but it just like clicked for me hard yesterday with the way they were interacting with each other and it just made sense.

i'm evaluating the odds of Porscha leaving me alive there, but keeping Ruri alive would be risky incase she still had a doctor shot, then a save would afford town another ML

speaking of.. is there any chance that the right move to do is to sleep? mafia either had to hit an unclear or to hit creature and then he gets to distribute a track to the POE? at this point i'm guessing no extra kill power exists

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:14 am**

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 1:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.
like there is no way we are w/w when wilgy was hard trying to get me flipped over him yesterday

to me it felt like he wasn't really trying to get you flipped until i sort of forced him into it..

i mean every time he pushed on you he ended up backing off

i may need to reread some of the interactions but "witty theater" still registers.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:16 am**

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:57 am Critically we need to think why Ruri over

Me
Creature
Obs

It was only ever going to be creature or ruri lol, like

What are you even talking about

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:19 am**

obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:09 am i'm still attached to my Porscha/Wilgy solve

like i don't read Porscha's post and think she's wolfy but it just like clicked for me hard yesterday with the way they were interacting with each other and it just made sense.

i'm evaluating the odds of Porscha leaving me alive there, but keeping Ruri alive would be risky incase she still had a doctor shot, then a save would afford town another ML

speaking of.. is there any chance that the right move to do is to sleep? mafia either had to hit an unclear or to hit creature and then he gets to distribute a track to the POE? at this point i'm guessing no extra kill power exists

No you don't sleep with a clear alive

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:21 am**

I dknt want to get into why but its way better to sleep tomorrow, prefer people don't talk about why jt is, it just is

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:22 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:19 am
obscurity wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:09 am i'm still attached to my Porscha/Wilgy solve

like i don't read Porscha's post and think she's wolfy but it just like clicked for me hard yesterday with the way they were interacting with each other and it just made sense.

i'm evaluating the odds of Porscha leaving me alive there, but keeping Ruri alive would be risky incase she still had a doctor shot, then a save would afford town another ML

speaking of.. is there any chance that the right move to do is to sleep? mafia either had to hit an unclear or to hit creature and then he gets to distribute a track to the POE? at this point i'm guessing no extra kill power exists
No you don't sleep with a clear alive

Normally I'd agree but mafia hasn't been hitting the clear because they're clearly scared of the track

Ruri was pretty clear but technically an argument could've been spun against her when she's low thread presence

not sure if it's the right move anyway, just something to consider

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:35 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:16 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:57 am Critically we need to think why Ruri over

Me
Creature
Obs
It was only ever going to be creature or ruri lol, like

What are you even talking about

Oh really yes because every single NK this game had been exactly what we predicted and nobody has ever gone huh wtf when day started.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:36 am**

They haven't been hitting the clear presumably because they thought they could gmpotwntially get ruri pushed and didn't want to risk hitting protection lol

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:38 am**

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:35 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:16 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 3:57 am Critically we need to think why Ruri over

Me
Creature
Obs
It was only ever going to be creature or ruri lol, like

What are you even talking about
Oh really yes because every single NK this game had been exactly what we predicted and nobody has ever gone huh wtf when day started.

Not killing ruri last night means they're committed to taking creature to F4

Lol

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:39 am**

This is why I shelved ruri suspicion lol, because mafia can only string it out so far before they have to kill the doctor claim or take the mason to f4

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:40 am**

How likely is it that a two shot doc held power for this long?

Why kill perpetual slanker Ruri with no thread pull instead of anyone with some semblance of thread command?

It doesn't make sense to me but I'm notorious for over analyzing.

Either way did you ever say why you voted Falc, Nanook?

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:41 am**

I don't disagree clearly just want to see where your head is at.

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:44 am**

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:41 am I don't disagree clearly just want to see where your head is at.

What's your scum read on me?

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:50 am**

Hoping it's the easy answer

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:15 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:50 pm
obscurity wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:43 pm I believe I can only post once more. I intent to stick with my vote for many reasons but have no qualms with flipping Porscha either.

Appreciate the work you're doing regardless, Wilgy. I think the biggest thing that would confuse me if you're town is why Wilgy died with a 0/3. Like that's partially why I kind of would expect v!you to push at me a bit.

The only scenario I have to explain that is exactly Porscha wolf since she also focused on Porscha POE a fair bit as did Pyxxy.
But I just don't see you as W

Like the chance of W Obs is FAR less likely than I think than W Porscha/Ruri/Neon even Falc at this point.

Again, I do think Lucy and Pyxxy kills served a double purpose of sussing me while outing Porscha opposition. Porscha's immediate going in on me and then reactionary dropping off on me reflects this as well.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:54 pm When I'm gone just flip Porscha I think.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:55 pm I think my legacy should hold good assessment.

TR Nook, no takesy backsey.

Hmmmmmm

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:16 am**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 10:50 am Hoping it's the easy answer

What's the easy answer in your mind?

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:28 am**

Wilgy was clearly in anti-spew mode for much of last RD. Anyone care to take a gander, and see what they think?

Posted: **Fri Oct 21, 2022 11:45 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:22 pm Also food for thought.

If it is Porscha, Neon isn't a wolf I think.

Porscha's defense of Neon is either from Porscha being wrong or Porscha having TMI on the slot.

However if Porscha does have TMI on the slot and argued that Neon/Sabi was absolutely not a thing, idk why Neon is still alive outside of 'I like Neon pushing Wilgy'.

Hmmmmm

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