The Syndicate

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:24 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:20 pm ftr im going to veto hard against any pushes on porcha,seven, santy, dya, nook, alison today. do i think this grouping is pure? probably not. but i think theres probably only 1 mafia here, 2 if we are very lucky but probably more like just 1 but worst case 0. but i think if we solve in this grouping we are most likely gonna spend a lot of days hitting villas only to maybe find a wolf after 3-4 days. its not efficient and game-losing play.

Porscha is a very wolfy slot, who I have a history of accurately reading, that has not hit their town tells and that was a day 1 wagon that the person we miselimmed wanted us to eliminate. Cham was excessively mafia towards the end of the day.

This post (and almost every post you've made today) is very suspect.

You provide no reasoning for this list and just expect your insistence to be agreed upon at face value. Almost all of these slots are questionable. Your veto is irrational. If you want to defend them if they get wagoned, defend them. I am sorry but you are not in a position to veto anything.

You feel like a very obvious wolf to me.

actually ill address this before i go

my vetos is based on a threadstate read. the thread is a mess and its very chaotic. it doesnt feel like a game where town is stomping and that we have a bunch of wolves cornered in poe. that is how semis d1 felt, this feels more like cats vs dogs d1, or the sabi invititational d1, or finals d1. i dont think town is winning rn and i dont think the thread would be where it is if there was a bunch of wolves in those names i listed. do u disagree mac?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:24 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:20 pm ftr im going to veto hard against any pushes on porcha,seven, santy, dya, nook, alison today. do i think this grouping is pure? probably not. but i think theres probably only 1 mafia here, 2 if we are very lucky but probably more like just 1 but worst case 0. but i think if we solve in this grouping we are most likely gonna spend a lot of days hitting villas only to maybe find a wolf after 3-4 days. its not efficient and game-losing play.

Porscha is a very wolfy slot, who I have a history of accurately reading, that has not hit their town tells and that was a day 1 wagon that the person we miselimmed wanted us to eliminate. Cham was excessively mafia towards the end of the day.

This post (and almost every post you've made today) is very suspect.

You provide no reasoning for this list and just expect your insistence to be agreed upon at face value. Almost all of these slots are questionable. Your veto is irrational. If you want to defend them if they get wagoned, defend them. I am sorry but you are not in a position to veto anything.

You feel like a very obvious wolf to me.

actually ill address this before i go

my vetos is based on a threadstate read. the thread is a mess and its very chaotic. it doesnt feel like a game where town is stomping and that we have a bunch of wolves cornered in poe. that is how semis d1 felt, this feels more like cats vs dogs d1, or the sabi invititational d1, or finals d1. i dont think town is winning rn and i dont think the thread would be where it is if there was a bunch of wolves in those names i listed. do u disagree mac?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:40 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:24 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:20 pm ftr im going to veto hard against any pushes on porcha,seven, santy, dya, nook, alison today. do i think this grouping is pure? probably not. but i think theres probably only 1 mafia here, 2 if we are very lucky but probably more like just 1 but worst case 0. but i think if we solve in this grouping we are most likely gonna spend a lot of days hitting villas only to maybe find a wolf after 3-4 days. its not efficient and game-losing play.

Porscha is a very wolfy slot, who I have a history of accurately reading, that has not hit their town tells and that was a day 1 wagon that the person we miselimmed wanted us to eliminate. Cham was excessively mafia towards the end of the day.

This post (and almost every post you've made today) is very suspect.

You provide no reasoning for this list and just expect your insistence to be agreed upon at face value. Almost all of these slots are questionable. Your veto is irrational. If you want to defend them if they get wagoned, defend them. I am sorry but you are not in a position to veto anything.

You feel like a very obvious wolf to me.

actually ill address this before i go

my vetos is based on a threadstate read. the thread is a mess and its very chaotic. it doesnt feel like a game where town is stomping and that we have a bunch of wolves cornered in poe. that is how semis d1 felt, this feels more like cats vs dogs d1, or the sabi invititational d1, or finals d1. i dont think town is winning rn and i dont think the thread would be where it is if there was a bunch of wolves in those names i listed. do u disagree mac?

how do you reconcile this fact with VETOING THE PLAYERS THAT CAUSED THE DAY ONE MISELIM

fuck me

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:47 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:40 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:38 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:24 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:20 pm ftr im going to veto hard against any pushes on porcha,seven, santy, dya, nook, alison today. do i think this grouping is pure? probably not. but i think theres probably only 1 mafia here, 2 if we are very lucky but probably more like just 1 but worst case 0. but i think if we solve in this grouping we are most likely gonna spend a lot of days hitting villas only to maybe find a wolf after 3-4 days. its not efficient and game-losing play.

Porscha is a very wolfy slot, who I have a history of accurately reading, that has not hit their town tells and that was a day 1 wagon that the person we miselimmed wanted us to eliminate. Cham was excessively mafia towards the end of the day.

This post (and almost every post you've made today) is very suspect.

You provide no reasoning for this list and just expect your insistence to be agreed upon at face value. Almost all of these slots are questionable. Your veto is irrational. If you want to defend them if they get wagoned, defend them. I am sorry but you are not in a position to veto anything.

You feel like a very obvious wolf to me.

actually ill address this before i go

my vetos is based on a threadstate read. the thread is a mess and its very chaotic. it doesnt feel like a game where town is stomping and that we have a bunch of wolves cornered in poe. that is how semis d1 felt, this feels more like cats vs dogs d1, or the sabi invititational d1, or finals d1. i dont think town is winning rn and i dont think the thread would be where it is if there was a bunch of wolves in those names i listed. do u disagree mac?

how do you reconcile this fact with VETOING THE PLAYERS THAT CAUSED THE DAY ONE MISELIM

fuck me

because i told u i rarely read people based on d1 accuracy

porcha i no longer want to vote

dya did push aro hard, but it was a time where aro was already being hard pushed. what does dya have to gain by hard tunneling him when hes already 6 feet under?

alison i will re-evaluate due to u and nook hence why i asked her wolf game. seven tried to save aro (i think) and approach to alison felt towny so if alison is a wolf he isnt one and vice versa. so this pairing is either 1/2 or 0/2 as far as wolves go.

nook i have a similar read on as u do hence why i dont want santy voting there.

santy u even said yourself has a tmi issue as wolf. hes rarely the one spearheading misyeets as wolf and is frequently found just tmi'ing villagers and bussing wolves and more often than not just tries to play in a way that rubs the least amount of people the wrong way as possible. hence why i said, unless hes done a 180 on his wolf game he feels night and day to me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:27 am Aight enough of this I have a hard green check on Belzy.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:29 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:23 pm Ender stop howling that push isnt good at all lol?

Can I make a petition that people stop walking into thread and calling a read/position/push they disagree with as "howling"? I'm really annoyed because it doesn't tell me anything other than you wolfread it.

Also this post is pointless from you.

Which push?

Why?

What's wrong with it?

Why is it "howling" specifically? Do you think it comes from a place of disingenuous opportunism or do you think the progression around how I got to it is fake or doesn't make sense?

Why doesn't it make sense?

I understand that I also jump into threads and call people wolfy with no explanation and that it partially causes my lack of thread sway at times, and that I do it purely to see how people react, but if you're directly engaging with me to "stop", then actually bloody engage with me.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:34 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:29 pm @ilario can you talk to me through your reads on both Porscha and Neon? I think those are the ones I disagree with the most

neons doing that thing they do where they contribute 0 solving but when a villa starts to get sussed they pounce hard on them. they did it to aro, i think they did it to you, they tried to do it to me yesterday and changed their read to a tr when i pressured them back which i thought was towny but then i realised that neon has never played with me so its very rare for players who dont know me well to be able to read me rationally, esp if they are playing for their first time with me. their read on me should have been more similar to betsys incredibly wrong read on me, which while terribly bad is more akin to how people read me when theyre not used to me.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:47 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:45 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:44 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:40 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:39 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:36 am

arogame123 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 4:36 am

Nice pocket lol

I know right, she keeps falling for it.

...

Oops that was meant for wolfchat.

Playful. I hate trying reading into this kind of statements.

I give you free meta that I do this regardless of alignment because it amuses me =P

Are you trying to pocket me this game, too?

He wasn’t tr u lol, he was just saying it’s NAI of him to do lol

He did defend me at least to some level while responding to staypositivefriend. I know Ender could be town for doing that, but scum can do it too.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:34 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:29 pm @ilario can you talk to me through your reads on both Porscha and Neon? I think those are the ones I disagree with the most

neons doing that thing they do where they contribute 0 solving but when a villa starts to get sussed they pounce hard on them. they did it to aro, i think they did it to you, they tried to do it to me yesterday and changed their read to a tr when i pressured them back which i thought was towny but then i realised that neon has never played with me so its very rare for players who dont know me well to be able to read me rationally, esp if they are playing for their first time with me. their read on me should have been more similar to betsys incredibly wrong read on me, which while terribly bad is more akin to how people read me when theyre not used to me.

I was literally the first person on Aro. I've pointed out things numerous times I found odd. I was wrong I've been wrong before will be wrong again doesn't make me a woofer though.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:34 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:26 pm @Alison @Porscha @santygrass @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @dyachei @Chamomile

it is in all of your best interests to vote with me today. you have all seen in semis and finales what happens when slots not named illario take control of chaotic lobbies like this. once i die the townies in this tag will all get lol-tunneled.

kill in tilg, ender, neon, (redacted). ill out who redacted is closer to eod but theres always hits in here and thats where the solving effort should be directed. gtg fr.

This is an ego play lmao.

I wanna flip you for this alone.

Do you remember how well it worked when you worked with me in the Basketball game and I was the one to actually out Brad when you/Alexa were lol-defending him?

Do you remember how that worked when we worked together after that and solved the game? That was a fun game.

I will 100% agree you're a good town and your solving of the game works well for me to bounce off of. You lead me to Chilly in our Semi's. I in fact had Chilly closer to the biggest sus at the time of my death than anyone else. Constantly there are other people's contributions who fucking matter for a game, this isn't single player bruh.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:34 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:29 pm @ilario can you talk to me through your reads on both Porscha and Neon? I think those are the ones I disagree with the most

neons doing that thing they do where they contribute 0 solving but when a villa starts to get sussed they pounce hard on them. they did it to aro, i think they did it to you, they tried to do it to me yesterday and changed their read to a tr when i pressured them back which i thought was towny but then i realised that neon has never played with me so its very rare for players who dont know me well to be able to read me rationally, esp if they are playing for their first time with me. their read on me should have been more similar to betsys incredibly wrong read on me, which while terribly bad is more akin to how people read me when theyre not used to me.

I was literally the first person on Aro. I've pointed out things numerous times I found odd. I was wrong I've been wrong before will be wrong again doesn't make me a woofer though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:24 am I am retiring from day 2 of this game effective now. See you tomorrow.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:26 am my problem with u neon is that u seemingly seem to have very littlke reads and play as if ur confused/unsure but the moment u see a villa slot catching flack u pounce onto the wagon unrelentlessly and ur confused uwu persona gets substituted for an unrelenting carnivorous persona and i struggle to reconcile both are coming from a town slot who is being earnest with what they put into the thread

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:31 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:26 am my problem with u neon is that u seemingly seem to have very littlke reads and play as if ur confused/unsure but the moment u see a villa slot catching flack u pounce onto the wagon unrelentlessly and ur confused uwu persona gets substituted for an unrelenting carnivorous persona and i struggle to reconcile both are coming from a town slot who is being earnest with what they put into the thread

who has neon done that to?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:22 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:34 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:26 pm @Alison @Porscha @santygrass @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @dyachei @Chamomile

it is in all of your best interests to vote with me today. you have all seen in semis and finales what happens when slots not named illario take control of chaotic lobbies like this. once i die the townies in this tag will all get lol-tunneled.

kill in tilg, ender, neon, (redacted). ill out who redacted is closer to eod but theres always hits in here and thats where the solving effort should be directed. gtg fr.

This is an ego play lmao.

I wanna flip you for this alone.

Do you remember how well it worked when you worked with me in the Basketball game and I was the one to actually out Brad when you/Alexa were lol-defending him?

Do you remember how that worked when we worked together after that and solved the game? That was a fun game.

I will 100% agree you're a good town and your solving of the game works well for me to bounce off of. You lead me to Chilly in our Semi's. I in fact had Chilly closer to the biggest sus at the time of my death than anyone else. Constantly there are other people's contributions who fucking matter for a game, this isn't single player bruh.

which bball game? u might have me mistaken for someone else?

but yeah i do like working with u so ill make an effort to do so

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:26 am my problem with u neon is that u seemingly seem to have very littlke reads and play as if ur confused/unsure but the moment u see a villa slot catching flack u pounce onto the wagon unrelentlessly and ur confused uwu persona gets substituted for an unrelenting carnivorous persona and i struggle to reconcile both are coming from a town slot who is being earnest with what they put into the thread

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:34 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:22 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:34 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:26 pm @Alison @Porscha @santygrass @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @dyachei @Chamomile

it is in all of your best interests to vote with me today. you have all seen in semis and finales what happens when slots not named illario take control of chaotic lobbies like this. once i die the townies in this tag will all get lol-tunneled.

kill in tilg, ender, neon, (redacted). ill out who redacted is closer to eod but theres always hits in here and thats where the solving effort should be directed. gtg fr.

This is an ego play lmao.

I wanna flip you for this alone.

Do you remember how well it worked when you worked with me in the Basketball game and I was the one to actually out Brad when you/Alexa were lol-defending him?

Do you remember how that worked when we worked together after that and solved the game? That was a fun game.

I will 100% agree you're a good town and your solving of the game works well for me to bounce off of. You lead me to Chilly in our Semi's. I in fact had Chilly closer to the biggest sus at the time of my death than anyone else. Constantly there are other people's contributions who fucking matter for a game, this isn't single player bruh.

which bball game? u might have me mistaken for someone else?

but yeah i do like working with u so ill make an effort to do so

Our first game together. Mountainous. Wiml and Brad mafia.

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?t=2182

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:39 am

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:05 am

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm also for the record I targeted Santy and Lily just in case anyone thought i did anything to Tilg, of which they can both confirm
I highly suggest they dont claim what they got if they choose to accept the gift
the items are all pretty good except for the random redirect which is more -ev than anything

You can send more than one gift in a night?

Why didn't you send me one!??! After all I did to save you!

Why do you think someone would think you did something to Tilg!? Please quote this post when you respond because often you don't quote who you are responding to and I don't know who you are responding to!

@Millium

#onepiece!

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:34 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:26 am my problem with u neon is that u seemingly seem to have very littlke reads and play as if ur confused/unsure but the moment u see a villa slot catching flack u pounce onto the wagon unrelentlessly and ur confused uwu persona gets substituted for an unrelenting carnivorous persona and i struggle to reconcile both are coming from a town slot who is being earnest with what they put into the thread

I didn't really notice this though, unless ur talking about their transition from Aro to me? cause i dont see much pouncing
the little reads, and confused persona, I can agree with

think u might be overstating this read, misreading, or something else
can u go into more details on this

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:38 am im perfectly happy with Rondo, Porsche, or Neon at this point
and im against Santy and Lily
im headed to bed

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:34 am I'm not sure how accurate I was earlier, I was irritated and poking holes at things, but I still think you work better when collaborating than when solo-ing

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:39 am

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:39 am

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:05 am

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm also for the record I targeted Santy and Lily just in case anyone thought i did anything to Tilg, of which they can both confirm
I highly suggest they dont claim what they got if they choose to accept the gift
the items are all pretty good except for the random redirect which is more -ev than anything

You can send more than one gift in a night?

Why didn't you send me one!??! After all I did to save you!

Why do you think someone would think you did something to Tilg!? Please quote this post when you respond because often you don't quote who you are responding to and I don't know who you are responding to!

@Millium

#onepiece!

@Millium

#onepiece!

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:41 am Ilario why only one l?

It frustrates me!

#onepiece

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:43 am You can send more than one gift in a night?

Why didn't you send me one!??! After all I did to save you!

Why do you think someone would think you did something to Tilg!?

@Millium

!?!

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:48 am Millium has been posting like he has been in his previous wolf games but it’s been so long for anyone to have seen a town!wisp game so my biggest issue is trying to figure out if the similarities between his posting here and that game are alignment indicative or just how wisp speaks normally and in essence nai.

Reason I’m saying this is that I think there’s probably one in rondo and wisp but they’re not together so sorting out that dynamic might be something worth putting effort into

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:15 pm I find it hard to believe wolf!Alison takes this approach and instantly roleclaims, well psuedo roleclaims I guess, if u want to argue them not claiming the name should change my thoughts
im curious how you even balance a game with roles and alignments being randed separately, and I am also curious how that works with the 3p we know exists, or possible 3p's (if that ends up being the case)

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:41 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:34 am I'm not sure how accurate I was earlier, I was irritated and poking holes at things, but I still think you work better when collaborating than when solo-ing

accurate about what?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:46 am Rondos opening posts on d1 were kinda bad now that I look at it, it’s possible that he got overly self conscious that his entrance was awkward and has been overdoing his trolly act this game to over compensate for his bad opener so that people think it was all part of his act

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 1:50 am

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:15 pm I find it hard to believe wolf!Alison takes this approach and instantly roleclaims, well psuedo roleclaims I guess, if u want to argue them not claiming the name should change my thoughts
im curious how you even balance a game with roles and alignments being randed separately, and I am also curious how that works with the 3p we know exists, or possible 3p's (if that ends up being the case)

thats kinda a decent point ig?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:29 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:22 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Nov 04, 2022 10:15 pm I find it hard to believe wolf!Alison takes this approach and instantly roleclaims, well psuedo roleclaims I guess, if u want to argue them not claiming the name should change my thoughts
im curious how you even balance a game with roles and alignments being randed separately, and I am also curious how that works with the 3p we know exists, or possible 3p's (if that ends up being the case)

Usually lots of low to mid power roles

I would assume 3p has a few abilities and one is a safe claim

Are you the 3P? :think: