The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:

nutella wrote:I am feeling better about Boomslang with his last two posts, and for now Scotty's ISO is enough for me to move my vote to DharmaHelper.

linki: Especially since he's not responding productively.

Is the reason you're suddenly up my ass is because I attacked your teammate? Because if so, You both should know I planned on moving my vote but now I won't.

I want to say you are bad, and it wouldn't surprise me if you were, but I want more input from others before making my decision on you over TinyBubbles, because I made the mistake of latching onto MetalMarsh in 2 separate games because he was shifty and unhelpful for all of the early game, when in reality that was apparently his normal civ play.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, why are you fixating on high posters? Can't you make the same mirrored argument about low posters?

When I was saying earlier that we should consider everyone as recruited/recruitee, I was including high and low posters. I'm all for discussing them with you, but I personally do not have any strong reason to believe any of the top 5 or so high posters are recruited at this time. You seem to think that Jay is. Do you think any of the others are?

It's entirely possible that no "high" posters are recruited at this time. It's also possible that one is, whether mafia or civilian. Anything is possible. At this time, Metalmarsh89 seems most likely to me as a mafia recruit, as evidenced by my list.

Ricochet wrote:not getting great vibes from Timmer overall. when he can't keep up, he gives me more the Deborah vibe than the "I really shouldn't be playing this and am unworthy" self-voting vibe (this is not to say I don't understand his RL reasons). he switches that often into a more insightful mode, which is closer to the active good stuff I know/expect from timmer, but still feels like switching gears quite a lot.

D1 - very late pitch in the Golden vs Epig spat, calls Golden phoney in his initial chatter about recruiting tactics
- then a postin which he thinks Golden is fake playing a civ game as a neutral, yet also doesn't regard him as a lynch target. I find this alterning of stances most confusing.
D2 - misses out
D3 - isn't as strong on Golden as when he called him phoney on D1, kinda puts him and MP in the same slot and labels Golden as unwanting to admit his actions have been weird; does a "THIS" on some thoughts on rey, then switches to make a six-point or so insight on the situation - again the kind of gear-switchin' that bothers me a bit

So from the rather consistent Golden voters, his own reasoning never reads strong or flexible (as in reviewing in depth his case) enough. Could be an unfortunate surf on a mislynch, but could be a bad surf just as well.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Bullzeye, I feel like you're the only person that understands the case I was trying to make against Boomslang. I just wanna say thanks bro and raise the brofist. Whether you meet it with a brofist of your own is up to you, but know that I am pouring emotion into this fist right now.

Bullzeye wrote:How do others feel about Unfurl's suggestion that Golden's lynch was an attempt to save Boom? Am I the only one who finds that crazy?

Synonym wrote:Okay, trying to keep up with this game on mobile is hard but I think I'm starting to get there.

I've spent a bit of time reading, not a complete thread read yet but I wanted to see where yesterday's lynch was forming from.

I have also had the majority of my mechanics questions answered by the GM's, however I might not be 100% across everything so apologies if I still get it wrong.

More general question, is it considered scummy/bad to post suspicions or courses of action during night phase here? The meta I'm used to it's frowned upon until the next phase as it can help guide mafia's actions.

Synonym wrote:More general question, is it considered scummy/bad to post suspicions or courses of action during night phase here? The meta I'm used to it's frowned upon until the next phase as it can help guide mafia's actions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

S~V~S wrote:I think that summed it up. I assumed you had read it.

I had, I just didn't realize you were referencing that as "acting", sorry.

You do have the advantage of metagaming in your read of Sorsha; I do not. So I grant that I cannot really know whether her performance so far in this game is in line with what is typical of her as a civilian. When I assessed her purely at face value though I didn't struggle to find a neutral/civilian mindset in most of her content.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm surprised Devin doesn't have more votes. Dude feels like bad news with his "placeholder" vote on himself followed by hopping on the bandwagon of the day. I think he's afraid of ruffling any feathers.

The fact that only one person (Llama) commented on my post re: BWT makes me think I was on the right track there.

Don't really see the cases on either Sorsha or Bubbles.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't see anything in the roles for this position about some kind of insanification, forced vote, or any type of posting-altering-related power. So not sure what is going on with MP. I'm starting to wonder if he's trying to prove a point about something.

Synonym wrote:Okay, trying to keep up with this game on mobile is hard but I think I'm starting to get there.

I've spent a bit of time reading, not a complete thread read yet but I wanted to see where yesterday's lynch was forming from.

I have also had the majority of my mechanics questions answered by the GM's, however I might not be 100% across everything so apologies if I still get it wrong.

More general question, is it considered scummy/bad to post suspicions or courses of action during night phase here? The meta I'm used to it's frowned upon until the next phase as it can help guide mafia's actions.

Sorsha wrote:SVS- if I suspected you I wouldn't dance around naming you. You used to be really good at reading me but your not here....

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Synonym wrote:More general question, is it considered scummy/bad to post suspicions or courses of action during night phase here? The meta I'm used to it's frowned upon until the next phase as it can help guide mafia's actions.

Nah. Some people don't like to do it here, but it's more out of fear of getting nightkilled, not because it looks suspicious. But nights are often pretty active here.

Spacedaisy wrote:I am not feeling the bubbles lynch, she is usually a low posting player, I haven't played with her that much but I don't see the inconsistency that others are claiming. That's why I went with DH instead.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:All aboard the Boomslang train!

*crickets*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I am not feeling the bubbles lynch, she is usually a low posting player, I haven't played with her that much but I don't see the inconsistency that others are claiming. That's why I went with DH instead.

I'm not super comfortable lynching Bubbles either, but you don't think she was inconsistent in her dealings with Golden?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:All aboard the Boomslang train!

*crickets*

Spacedaisy wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I am not feeling the bubbles lynch, she is usually a low posting player, I haven't played with her that much but I don't see the inconsistency that others are claiming. That's why I went with DH instead.

I'm not super comfortable lynching Bubbles either, but you don't think she was inconsistent in her dealings with Golden?

Yep, I can see how she went back and forth. However, it looks more to me like someone who felt indecisive about it, first one way then another. If she were bad she would do either one or the other I would ink. To me she reads like normal Bubbles, what little I know anyway. you looked at Sorsha's posts and said you didn't have trouble seeing a neutral/civ mind set in it, try looking at Bubbles with the same detachment and tell me if you don't find the same with her posts?

Roxy wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Thats a good question Wilgy.. was it a frame or was it the result of a redirect (Ahriman), target switch (Master of Ancient Arts), switching three roles powers (Chaos Dancer) or a repel of kill to the Magnetarch?

Do you think Golden was framed Wigly? And why did you vote for me? Also, what are your thoughts on the day ending early and no night?

Also, good dance around my question here, I feel like you slipped though. If Epig's death was simply a frame, I think you would be pursuing those who were going after him. I also think you wouldn't have voted Tiny when the votes were so stacked on Golden. You rose the question of if it could be a redirect. The only peole that can answer that question are the people that cast the kill and the person who caused the redirect. Which one are you Sorsha?

This is the one. I found Sorsha's response to Wilgy's unquoted question very odd, and totally agree with his response to her.

Sorry for the lack of original thought here. I have somewhere to be very soon.

This will be the second time I will point put you are voting for other peoples reasons without adding a single original opinion.

Last time I said something it was totes ignored. This one will prob be too.

MovingPictures07 wrote:snip I really want to be a part of this EoD.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:Thats a good question Wilgy.. was it a frame or was it the result of a redirect (Ahriman), target switch (Master of Ancient Arts), switching three roles powers (Chaos Dancer) or a repel of kill to the Magnetarch?

Do you think Golden was framed Wigly? And why did you vote for me? Also, what are your thoughts on the day ending early and no night?

Also, good dance around my question here, I feel like you slipped though. If Epig's death was simply a frame, I think you would be pursuing those who were going after him. I also think you wouldn't have voted Tiny when the votes were so stacked on Golden. You rose the question of if it could be a redirect. The only peole that can answer that question are the people that cast the kill and the person who caused the redirect. Which one are you Sorsha?

This is the one. I found Sorsha's response to Wilgy's unquoted question very odd, and totally agree with his response to her.

Sorry for the lack of original thought here. I have somewhere to be very soon.

This will be the second time I will point put you are voting for other peoples reasons without adding a single original opinion.

Last time I said something it was totes ignored. This one will prob be too.

THANK YOU, Rox.

Let's lynch Devin please.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:snip I really want to be a part of this EoD.

Why?

Bullzeye wrote: But if we lynch Devin because you say so we're doing what Roxy says makes him bad :P

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Have a rainbow, at MP's request. Many of these reads are purely intuitive; I haven't had time to really assess everyone. Or even close to everyone.

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Bullzeye
MovingPictures07
Ricochet
DharmaHelper

Canucklehead
DrWilgy
Spacedaisy
S~V~S
DharmaHelper

Scotty
Sorsha
bea
LoRab
nutella
Roxy
DharmaHelper

Synonym
DFaraday
DharmaHelper

Dom
reywaS
unfurl
Turnip Head
DharmaHelper

aapje
birdwithteeth11
thellama73
timmer
Devin the Omniscient
Metalmarsh89
DisgruntledPorcupine
DharmaHelper

Tranq
TinyBubbles
Boomslang
DharmaHelper

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Caution to everyone who's posted a rainbow in this game: I wouldn't play them like a slow-moving fluid. Any purple/blue ought to be able to become a red at the snap of a finger. Recruitment, man.

Ricochet wrote:Time is growing important, since we are already within the interval in which the Judge can lockdown this place - he's been vigilent before, but so far he's not quick to draw the curtains; can this mean he's not content or approving with the main wagons and/or doesn't want to shortcircuit the EoD? Could be.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:snip I really want to be a part of this EoD.

Why?

Because EoD's are fucking fun.

Hello, Mr. Marmot! What do you have to say?

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DH being serious about doing ISOs would be the most surprising development of this game so far.

Oh. Is this how he normally plays?

And people just accept it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:DH being serious about doing ISOs would be the most surprising development of this game so far.

Oh. Is this how he normally plays?

And people just accept it?

This is actually far from how DH normally plays. DH is typically a top contributor; while he has posted a lot in this game, he's hardly forming any opinions, which is incredibly off-meta. His play is usually a mix of baddie hunting (which he can pull off ridiculously well as a baddie) and jokey/snark/one-liners. His play in this game, instead of being a 50/50 mix, has clearly been only the latter.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: But if we lynch Devin because you say so we're doing what Roxy says makes him bad :P

LOL, real funny. :P

But untrue, since I mentioned Devin's name before any of you suckers.

And now I've voted for him first. Vote registered for Devin

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:Thats partially true I guess but mostly I really feel like you are a recruiter or have been recruited

Stating how you "feel" doesn't give me any avenue to defend myself.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:And again you are pushing crap into posts that is not there. Where did I say EVERYONE who has been most active are bad? Oh that's right I didn't. I only have this suspicion of YOU.
I also have not exonerated EVERYONE bc they haven't seemed to be around as often. Just Boomslang and Bass but Bass id dead now. I do not think that 2 players equate to EVERYONE.

You exonerated those two players for reasons that could apply to a large number of other players just as easily. You've stated suspicion of me for reasons that could apply to a large number of other players just as easily.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:What? Why do you have to discuss a defense first with the hosts? This reads as extremely shady.

The rules here are absolutely nothing like the rules I've known for 97% of my Mafia life. I literally don't know for sure what I'm even allowed to say around here yet. I have only played the equivalent of about two games on The Syndicate after all.

I did ask them though. I've only applied for one recruitment slot (civilian) and I was not selected. Believe me or don't believe me, there's not much I can say to influence you. You've given me ZERO space for that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I might be a fool for it, but I don't struggle at all to see DH's play through a neutral perspective.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: But if we lynch Devin because you say so we're doing what Roxy says makes him bad :P

LOL, real funny. :P

But untrue, since I mentioned Devin's name before any of you suckers.

And now I've voted for him first. Vote registered for Devin

Could you reference the best anti-Devin material you've got to offer so I can it a bit?

LoRab wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Time is growing important, since we are already within the interval in which the Judge can lockdown this place - he's been vigilent before, but so far he's not quick to draw the curtains; can this mean he's not content or approving with the main wagons and/or doesn't want to shortcircuit the EoD? Could be.

There's a huge difference, imho, between ending day early and locking down the thread. One ends discussion--the other does not. And ending night early is a mixed bag (and different entirely). Either of those actions could have either good or bad strategy behind them. Without saying so explicitly, you seem to imply that the prior lockdown was also connected to his role. Which makes me wonder.

Also noting that you earlier posted about the number of baddies and added an extra person to one of the baddie teams in your count. Which could increase paranoia and is a tactic oft used by the evil (make things seem worse than they are).

Starting to wonder if your posting is intentional and subtle misdirection.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Bullzeye, I feel like you're the only person that understands the case I was trying to make against Boomslang. I just wanna say thanks bro and raise the brofist. Whether you meet it with a brofist of your own is up to you, but know that I am pouring emotion into this fist right now.

Turnip Head wrote:I'm surprised Devin doesn't have more votes. Dude feels like bad news with his "placeholder" vote on himself followed by hopping on the bandwagon of the day. I think he's afraid of ruffling any feathers.

The fact that only one person (Llama) commented on my post re: BWT makes me think I was on the right track there.

Don't really see the cases on either Sorsha or Bubbles.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Master of Shadows wrote:who should I vote for?

Tell me what you look for in a candidate and I'll give you some ideas about which platform suits you best.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Roxy wrote:1.)No. Bc his posts have a tone that does not feel civvie. He has pushed his Boomslang case (I am not the only one who does not see it yet he keeps pushing and pushing) not even trying to look for other suspicions. Though I admit I am not fully caught up. His responses did not help him any bc he keeps trying to insinuate crap into my posts that is not there. Why keep trying to say I am calling everyone who is a high poster bad when I clearly am only calling *him* bad?

Are. You. Serious?

Roxy wrote:So are you also in the Camp Of All High Posters are are Neutral"?

Roxy wrote:You do not think you would be an attractive recruit on a wish list of 3? I do. Many people here followed the Game of Champions so we know what a brilliant player you are.
But tbh I think you are bad. Whether recruited bad or the recruiter idk.
I gave you plenty of space to respond you just choose not to.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Sorsha wrote:SVS- if I suspected you I wouldn't dance around naming you. You used to be really good at reading me but your not here....

This post reads genuine to me. This may seem silly, but when I am civ and someone is going after me that should be able to read me well, up it makes me all kinds of nervous. This is the vibe I got from this post. Makes me think Sorsha might not be bad. I'm moving my vote off of her and onto DH. I didn't like the part you played in the golden saga, and I don't care for your thoroughly unhelpful play style. You have pretty much ignored me too, which hurts my feelings so there. (I'm kidding about the last part, but I am still voting for you for the other reasons listed.)

Registering a vote for DH

I am not feeling the bubbles lynch, she is usually a low posting player, I haven't played with her that much but I don't see the inconsistency that others are claiming. That's why I went with DH instead.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Rox, why are you fixating on high posters? Can't you make the same mirrored argument about low posters?

When I was saying earlier that we should consider everyone as recruited/recruitee, I was including high and low posters. I'm all for discussing them with you, but I personally do not have any strong reason to believe any of the top 5 or so high posters are recruited at this time. You seem to think that Jay is. Do you think any of the others are?

It's entirely possible that no "high" posters are recruited at this time. It's also possible that one is, whether mafia or civilian. Anything is possible. At this time, Metalmarsh89 seems most likely to me as a mafia recruit, as evidenced by my list.

Why? And what the fuck does your list even say about this?

MovingPictures07 wrote: I'm not sure I understand your points here, Rox.

1) Jay has unarguably posted more cases and baddie hunted more than practically anyone else in this game. Wouldn't you agree?

2) I think this perspective is very dangerous. We should consider literally every player as a possible recruiter or recruitee.

Roxy wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: I'm not sure I understand your points here, Rox.

1) Jay has unarguably posted more cases and baddie hunted more than practically anyone else in this game. Wouldn't you agree?

2) I think this perspective is very dangerous. We should consider literally every player as a possible recruiter or recruitee.

1.) earlier during my catch up no. Later yes he posted about others all the while nit picking Boomslang and calling for his lynch.

2.) Yes we should hence my question about your rainbow list thing. You have every high poster as a poss Neutral None even close to being considered bad. I think that is a very narrow view to take in a game like this.