Re: 2016 Game of Champions - Beach
Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:24 pm
And fwiw, I do know bea was actually sick, and she can be as slick as the next baddie, but I doubt she would use that as a faux excuse.
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I don't remember what you thought of bea, juliets, but my vote is now between her and Soneji.juliets wrote:Thats the kind of post I was expecting from Booms if he was good. So now I just need to decide where to move my vote.
When we did GTH reads I read bea as bad because of lack of suspicions including the fact that she didn't vote because even when she's at work she manages to steal away and vote on her phone. I don't think she would lie about having a cold but I'm also concerned that she has posted several times but we haven't seen any suspicions.Scotty wrote:I don't remember what you thought of bea, juliets, but my vote is now between her and Soneji.juliets wrote:Thats the kind of post I was expecting from Booms if he was good. So now I just need to decide where to move my vote.
Llama seems fairly convinced about Soneji, which could just be a spitting llama looking for grass.
Bea seems to be fairly engaging now, but still dawdling in my minds' eye. She still feels like she lacks content, and what may have happened is that she legitimately had no time over the past week to contribute and at the same time was unconsciously using it as a crutch as a baddie. I could see both scenarios.
I'm still uncertain who to vote if I am to change my vote.
Linki: I also don't think she would use it as an excuse to be indicative of her alignment, but it is convenient.
Sorry for not responding right away, juliets - I was irritated last night and needed to step away. I'll respond to this:juliets wrote: I have moved away from Coltrane but he does only have 3 posts as someone just pointed out and in his last post he seemed angry and then gave up. I'm not wild about that but I guess it doesn't mean he's bad.
And wow, it's a lot harder to remember even my own posts from a thread I can't check. Basically, I threw out three suspicions: Mac, sig, and Epi as a tinfoil because I believed him to be steering the thread. Now that Epi's been NK'ed, I wish I could look back more at who exactly I saw being steered and voting every which way he went. I eventually settled on Mac because I liked the meta argument more than anything else, knowing I'd be last on the train.juliets wrote:John, it would be helpful to me if you would just remind me of what things you said in the main thread. You're right that low contribution doesn't mean no contribution it's just that nothing stands out to me. So maybe just a short synopsis of what your suspicions or thoughts were would be helpful. Thanks.
Poor bea has been sick, but this reminds me of another game (for the life of me, I can't remember, nor do I really want to look for/reveal in order not to risk my identity being more obviousS~V~S wrote:Easy distancing perhaps? People voting for each other in a thread with changeable votes doesn't mean much for gauging connection.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Does it make a difference to you that Soneji voted for sig on Day 1?thellama73 wrote:I'd probably still go with Sig, but I'm increasingly comfortable with my vote for Soneji.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because you guys are following Golden's vote around, you being the primary one.
Question to everyone on the beach: who would you lynch if everyone was on the poll and not just the Sand-Surfers?
Linki: I'll read you later.
Linki @Prisoner. OK.
I have said what she did, but am happy to do so again. In the other thread, she made one big post where she said she felt Made and Wilgy were getting a bad rap. She did this without pointing fingers at anyone who might be giving them a bad rap, though. Then she wrote several sentences saying nothing, and said that she felt OK about me, LC and (???). "Same old same old" kind of thing. No negative opinions, or even remotely critical, about anyone. Bea and I have a long history. I want to know where she is at. So far I am not sure she is at the same place I am. I am not sure she has expressed even one remote suspect. Bea is always polite, but Bea does not shrink from speaking her mind, even if it is in a very passive way.
Bea is a huge question mark for me.
Same reason for bea, same reason to look at Prisoner (except this is more compelling, as Macdougall is confirmed baddie. Avoidance. May also vote here.thellama73 wrote:There's a little more to it. I initially noticed Soneji for his avoidance of mentioning Macdougall, even when he was the central topic of discussion. The meta comment combined with that observation to form my suspicion, as I think baddies often forget to talk about one another.Prisoner 27385 wrote:Is there more to the Soneji case than his denouncement of meta-analysis? Because I can't vote for him if that's it.
Why is LoRab a baddie read? What is Quin?Made wrote:Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab
Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.
Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction
Lorab Read mad blendy, quin is civ, thought I typed that but regardless, yeah.Prisoner 27385 wrote:Why is LoRab a baddie read? What is Quin?Made wrote:Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab
Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.
Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction
Thank YouMade wrote:Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab
Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.
Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction
The flaw in the logic imo is the following:Made wrote:Gth for other group per request of juliets
Civvie: DH, LC trimmer wilgy
Baddie: br sig professor Sorsha Floyd and lorab
Svs- I don't think you're silly, I think you're one of the best players on this site. That said, while weird, I'd argue that memory has little to say about allighnment. I hope we agree to disagree at least on that point.
Scotty- I just felt at that moment you could of gotten a few votes, I really don't have a reason other than gut. I thought the thread night 0 was heading that direction
This ^ explains well how I feel about bea. Poor thing, she is sick, I truly believe that. But I also believe she doesn't offer much solid when she is bad. So I'm really torn about whether to vote her.John Coltrane wrote:
2) This:Poor bea has been sick, but this reminds me of another game (for the life of me, I can't remember, nor do I really want to look for/reveal in order not to risk my identity being more obviousS~V~S wrote:Easy distancing perhaps? People voting for each other in a thread with changeable votes doesn't mean much for gauging connection.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Does it make a difference to you that Soneji voted for sig on Day 1?thellama73 wrote:I'd probably still go with Sig, but I'm increasingly comfortable with my vote for Soneji.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because you guys are following Golden's vote around, you being the primary one.
Question to everyone on the beach: who would you lynch if everyone was on the poll and not just the Sand-Surfers?
Linki: I'll read you later.
Linki @Prisoner. OK.
I have said what she did, but am happy to do so again. In the other thread, she made one big post where she said she felt Made and Wilgy were getting a bad rap. She did this without pointing fingers at anyone who might be giving them a bad rap, though. Then she wrote several sentences saying nothing, and said that she felt OK about me, LC and (???). "Same old same old" kind of thing. No negative opinions, or even remotely critical, about anyone. Bea and I have a long history. I want to know where she is at. So far I am not sure she is at the same place I am. I am not sure she has expressed even one remote suspect. Bea is always polite, but Bea does not shrink from speaking her mind, even if it is in a very passive way.
Bea is a huge question mark for me.), but the last game I played with her, this is the same sort of behavior she exhibited when bad - not offering much solid opinion. It's always hard to vote bea, since she's just so friggin' nice. But I'm most compelled in that direction today, mostly because I'm tired and was thinking about voting her for these reasons earlier today, anyway.
And this point that I underlined about Soneji is something I didn't fully consider. It is a cop out, damn right Boomslang. That's just as bad as bea only being able to name people she likes - it's the exact opposite but in my mind the same principle. Soneji if you come back into the thread I would like to see your reads on everyone. I think the rest of us except for bea (and maybe Donna) have done that (someone correct me if I'm wrong).Boomslang wrote: Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.
Hehe sorry about that.Scotty wrote:Placed a vote on MetalMarsh.
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:whistle:Metalmarsh89 wrote:There was a time when I thought Donna Meagle was Mongoose. That time has passed (thanks for posting in another thread hun).
Juliets I actually have a few questions in regard to this:juliets wrote:This is the post that sounded disingenuous to me. You haven't posted that much yet you say you don't remember the post in question. First you say you wrote something about him, then you say maybe it was a response to something he said. It just seemed to me you would remember better than this.
I realize it's just one post but it just gave me a bad feeling. My baddie read was not a strong baddie read but in GTH you have to pick a side.
Donna Meagle wrote:i wrote something about llama in the other thread it might have just been a response to something he said.
i think i agreed with him.
idk i'm peeved i can't go back and read the other thread.
I don't like doing GTH's or Rainbows, but I'll share some thoughts now that i'm here.Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Same with you Donna. Let's get some input!!!
Doesn't the poll end like 10 minutes ago?juliets wrote:Donna Meagle I see you voted for bea without explaining. Could you tell us why you voted for her?
The tone reads consistent through Soneji's post. Regardless, this is kinda big. I can think of reasons not to give reads, Soneji, but what are yours? Do you actually think everyone in here is bad?juliets wrote:Boomslang wrote: Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.
I do not think we're allowed to save things.Made wrote:Intuition is telling me we're not going to have access to this thread nor hatch thread come as soon as night. Save everything you can for personal use/later reads.
Baddies, tell your teammates to tell the other thread pls/thx
Sorry caught a rush at work. I dont know why boom would think it was a tanginal defense. If i went with the flow and voted him soley cuz of stiff i was uninformed about and quietness, that would ne pretty scummy dont you think? I wanted to know tue case because i wanted to know the case. Simple as that.Prisoner 27385 wrote:What do you make of Boomslang's post a few minutes ago? He had something to say about you and I'd like to know what you think of that.bea wrote:Im pretty up in the air about scotty, but slightly civ is where im leaning.
And yes jc is juliets sorry.
well, this implies baddies knew that half were going to hatch and half were going to the beach. I know personally, i didn't put that together and figured it'd be like felt were the one that gets the most votes picks were we as a group goes.Prisoner 27385 wrote:I think we've done a good job generating content today and I am satisfied with the conclusions we've come to, at least as we're approaching the deadline right now. I'm still here in case anything is said that might influence me off of Bea or onto Soneji, but I'm also comfortable with my vote where it is and don't object to the Soneji votes in any major way. Let's keep up this activity when we get back to a complete game, beach goers.
One question that just popped in my head now: Do we think Golden was silenced by somebody who's in here with us? It seemed most people had clued into what the poll meant, and it might make more sense for the silencer to pick somebody in their own grouping. The only reason I could think for them not to do that would be the WIFOM factor, which we can never rule out.
It does. There was a bit of discussion about what the poll meant (I had no idea until others mentioned it), so I would guess that there was some level of awareness on the part of the baddies.Made wrote:well, this implies baddies knew that half were going to hatch and half were going to the beach. I know personally, i didn't put that together and figured it'd be like felt were the one that gets the most votes picks were we as a group goes.Prisoner 27385 wrote:I think we've done a good job generating content today and I am satisfied with the conclusions we've come to, at least as we're approaching the deadline right now. I'm still here in case anything is said that might influence me off of Bea or onto Soneji, but I'm also comfortable with my vote where it is and don't object to the Soneji votes in any major way. Let's keep up this activity when we get back to a complete game, beach goers.
One question that just popped in my head now: Do we think Golden was silenced by somebody who's in here with us? It seemed most people had clued into what the poll meant, and it might make more sense for the silencer to pick somebody in their own grouping. The only reason I could think for them not to do that would be the WIFOM factor, which we can never rule out.
you know, that's actually really interesting... wish I had access to the other thread so i could compare if there were any weird location switches when that was brought up.Prisoner 27385 wrote:It does. There was a bit of discussion about what the poll meant (I had no idea until others mentioned it), so I would guess that there was some level of awareness on the part of the baddies.Made wrote:well, this implies baddies knew that half were going to hatch and half were going to the beach. I know personally, i didn't put that together and figured it'd be like felt were the one that gets the most votes picks were we as a group goes.Prisoner 27385 wrote:I think we've done a good job generating content today and I am satisfied with the conclusions we've come to, at least as we're approaching the deadline right now. I'm still here in case anything is said that might influence me off of Bea or onto Soneji, but I'm also comfortable with my vote where it is and don't object to the Soneji votes in any major way. Let's keep up this activity when we get back to a complete game, beach goers.
One question that just popped in my head now: Do we think Golden was silenced by somebody who's in here with us? It seemed most people had clued into what the poll meant, and it might make more sense for the silencer to pick somebody in their own grouping. The only reason I could think for them not to do that would be the WIFOM factor, which we can never rule out.
it says 6 for meMade wrote:The tone reads consistent through Soneji's post. Regardless, this is kinda big. I can think of reasons not to give reads, Soneji, but what are yours? Do you actually think everyone in here is bad?juliets wrote:Boomslang wrote: Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.
linki- polls ends at like 8 EST
I didn't mean to imply that I suspected Llama. I suspected sig.juliets wrote:Donna, my point about your memory is you did not post much in the other thread and I would expect you to remember if you had a post with llama's name in it whether you suspected him or were responding to him. I remember a lot of things from the other thread though not everything. I certainly remember who I suspected and I would expect you to too.
Yo, while i have you, GTH?Donna Meagle wrote:it says 6 for meMade wrote:The tone reads consistent through Soneji's post. Regardless, this is kinda big. I can think of reasons not to give reads, Soneji, but what are yours? Do you actually think everyone in here is bad?juliets wrote:Boomslang wrote: Llama's case on Soneji seems the most solid out of anything so far. Omitting the lynchee from discussion while questioning the judgment used to lynch him is textbook indirect mafia support. I also don't like Soneji quickly jumping to "You didn't see me defend Mac, did you?" when talking about his distrust of meta. That seemed to me to be ahead of llama's questioning. Doth protest too much. And whoa, Soneji saying "As for a GTH, everyone is bad in my eyes until they flip otherwise" is just a tremendous cop-out of responsibility. Could at least say he didn't have time or just ignore the request altogether. And there's some snarky sarcasm that doesn't read right.
linki- polls ends at like 8 ESTI didn't mean to imply that I suspected Llama. I suspected sig.juliets wrote:Donna, my point about your memory is you did not post much in the other thread and I would expect you to remember if you had a post with llama's name in it whether you suspected him or were responding to him. I remember a lot of things from the other thread though not everything. I certainly remember who I suspected and I would expect you to too.
Cheerleader wrote:Stop speculating about me, please. Nothing to see here.
That's assuming Cheerleader's vote isn't worth 0 like I assume.Prisoner 27385 wrote:Well now if Soneji comes in and puts his vote where he ought to, we've got a tie, and ties (if I remember correctly) are resolved randomly. Are we cool with putting things in the hands of a coin?