Re: Hogwarts Mafia - Day 1
Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:07 am
Brb cleaning and catching up.
ISO Links yet?
ISO Links yet?
I know about the Deathly Hallows. I haven't explained anything about the Dark Arts to anyone.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 amYou knowing the intricacies of the Dark Arts stuff and sharing it could be an act to try to buy townie points. I remember reading the stuff about it but not nearly picking up enough about it to understand it all. Basically, if someone had or possessed Dark Arts abilities this game, they would probably read up on it or make sure they understood their abilities.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 amwhat about me, owner? Give DH a break and flag me for a bit.
Technically, what you said is some form of mechanical-talk or a retelling of information, in which some of it is free to us. But it doesn't necessarily solve us the game or anything.
It's potenitally the kind of post meant to look like a person is being useful, but in reality, they aren't truly really adding to the thread.
Oh, and I went to bed like immediately.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:25 am Me: *Talks to speedy*
Speedy: *is frozen or typing a freakishly long post*...or idk
Me: What? He wanted me to talk to him. Is that a bad thing? Hmmm
Agree strongly with Luna hereLunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 pmThis is the post in question:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.
[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.
Y THO
Pretty sure Owner is town.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:54 pmYay!! You actually understood me. That is correct.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:49 pm I feel different than I did in the game you scum read me, but you scum read me in this game as well.
Yes, it might be weird to some, but I guess I'm waiting for you to do something to prove me wrong. I can't explain what that is, but I'll know it when I see it...if it even happens though, which it might not.
I would say I play like chess but think like go.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:29 am I've had btsc with epi and juliets before, that was definitely a conversation that would have been had in btsc instead of the thread. That's why epi pointed it out.
@Owner of a Lonely Heart if you suspect DH I suggest giving him a lil rope to hang himself with instead of attacking his every move. Mafia is more like chess and less like tag imo
So that's a null tell then, *puts speedy in null pile* hmmspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:13 am
I know about the Deathly Hallows. I haven't explained anything about the Dark Arts to anyone.
Though I would if they asked, even if it required looking it up myself. That's a consistent thing I do, regardless of alignment.
I'm more of a Go-Soccer player myself.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:23 amI would say I play like chess but think like go.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:29 am I've had btsc with epi and juliets before, that was definitely a conversation that would have been had in btsc instead of the thread. That's why epi pointed it out.
@Owner of a Lonely Heart if you suspect DH I suggest giving him a lil rope to hang himself with instead of attacking his every move. Mafia is more like chess and less like tag imo
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:11 am....I don't understand. Why would your question about when the spoilery thing happened in the series have come up in btsc with juliets rather than in the thread HP talk? Why are you drawing a connection to juliets before there was one?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:21 pmThere isn't any logic to it. I've been bad with juliets before, and juliets loves chat (see: discord). We would have been talking this stuff up, and juliets asks questions about things even when bad.
So my point is this:
juliets and I are not bad teammates together.
Use that. Work with it. Bye.
That's kind of great lols.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:13 amOh, and I went to bed like immediately.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:25 am Me: *Talks to speedy*
Speedy: *is frozen or typing a freakishly long post*...or idk
Me: What? He wanted me to talk to him. Is that a bad thing? Hmmm![]()
Epi is town because he is.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 amYou knowing the intricacies of the Dark Arts stuff and sharing it could be an act to try to buy townie points. I remember reading the stuff about it but not nearly picking up enough about it to understand it all. Basically, if someone had or possessed Dark Arts abilities this game, they would probably read up on it or make sure they understood their abilities.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 amwhat about me, owner? Give DH a break and flag me for a bit.
Technically, what you said is some form of mechanical-talk or a retelling of information, in which some of it is free to us. But it doesn't necessarily solve us the game or anything.
It's potenitally the kind of post meant to look like a person is being useful, but in reality, they aren't truly really adding to the thread.
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:22 amLike this right here. If civs weren’t capable of “unsound logic” then we’d never lose a game. Pedantic.
Fair enough but I don’t really get why this all needed so much clarification and hemming and hawwing in the first place. It feels like the kind of thing (bad) people latch onto because they have nothing real to question.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:34 amColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:22 amLike this right here. If civs weren’t capable of “unsound logic” then we’d never lose a game. Pedantic.Ok, but you're putting your own extra ideas into this and implying that they're mine. My post said "I don't understand, Epi can you clarify?", not "Looks like bad logic and therefore a bad alignment."
I'm not concerned is the thing. I engaged with it because of Firefly, and because I've got a particular mafia history that I'd not care to repeat RE: interactions with certain players, certain perceptions, etc.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:16 amI think I understand. You are concerned about having suspicion against you this early, so you're focusing on it more than is necessary. Why so concerned?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:45 pm I don't understand why I'm engaging in this conversation.
Luna is focused more on the House Cup mechanic, like in Firefly with TH and everyone who was so focused on Yun Qui being the best ship that they let themselves lose the game.Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:12 amThis looks juicy. Explain?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:19 pmOh good someone already fucked up. Thanks Luna :PLunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:15 pmThe funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 pm Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.
I don't know how that would be a slip. They're two completely different things.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:00 am Did Owner slip when she conflated Dark Arts and Deathly Hallows mechanics?
No I mean did she scumslip. They're two completely different things. One of them you were talking about, the other one you weren't.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:02 amI don't know how that would be a slip. They're two completely different things.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:00 am Did Owner slip when she conflated Dark Arts and Deathly Hallows mechanics?
... unless you meant townslip.
=.=DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:03 amNo I mean did she scumslip. They're two completely different things. One of them you were talking about, the other one you weren't.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:02 amI don't know how that would be a slip. They're two completely different things.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:00 am Did Owner slip when she conflated Dark Arts and Deathly Hallows mechanics?
... unless you meant townslip.
Ok I'll walk you though it, because I love you.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:05 am=.=DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:03 amNo I mean did she scumslip. They're two completely different things. One of them you were talking about, the other one you weren't.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:02 amI don't know how that would be a slip. They're two completely different things.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:00 am Did Owner slip when she conflated Dark Arts and Deathly Hallows mechanics?
... unless you meant townslip.
Yeah I don't get it.
"The intricacies of" - What's intricate about [SECRET] and "Keep what you kill"Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 amYou knowing the intricacies of the Dark Arts stuff and sharing it could be an act to try to buy townie points. I remember reading the stuff about it but not nearly picking up enough about it to understand it all. Basically, if someone had or possessed Dark Arts abilities this game, they would probably read up on it or make sure they understood their abilities.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 amwhat about me, owner? Give DH a break and flag me for a bit.
Technically, what you said is some form of mechanical-talk or a retelling of information, in which some of it is free to us. But it doesn't necessarily solve us the game or anything.
It's potenitally the kind of post meant to look like a person is being useful, but in reality, they aren't truly really adding to the thread.
Sure. On that same basis, if he's bad, I'd much prefer him dead. How do you think he'll reveal himself? Do you have any scum-3J tells to share?Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:37 amI’m not sure what you mean by this remark, Quin? My personal view is that Jay is a fellow of superior intellect and capable of analysis far beyond that of mere mortals. On that basis, if he’s Town, I’d much prefer him on our side. If by some fluke he’s bad, he’ll reveal himself later down the track. I think he’s far more useful to us alive.
If you were by some chance referring to my last game here with Golden, I’ll confess - I do so wish he was playing this game. It would make my decision here infinitely easier.
I am not very smart but could it also be the other way around?DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:14 amOk I'll walk you though it, because I love you.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:05 am=.=DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:03 amNo I mean did she scumslip. They're two completely different things. One of them you were talking about, the other one you weren't.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:02 amI don't know how that would be a slip. They're two completely different things.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:00 am Did Owner slip when she conflated Dark Arts and Deathly Hallows mechanics?
... unless you meant townslip.
Yeah I don't get it.
Here you explain the Deathly Hallows mechanic. Which, since they're all locked behind secrets, the basic gist is "You get one if you kill the guys that have them or if you're the last vote on the guys that have one"
Here Owner says "Dark Arts" and not "Deathly Hallows". Her exact quote will be helpful in understanding my thought process so here:
"The intricacies of" - What's intricate about [SECRET] and "Keep what you kill"Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 amYou knowing the intricacies of the Dark Arts stuff and sharing it could be an act to try to buy townie points. I remember reading the stuff about it but not nearly picking up enough about it to understand it all. Basically, if someone had or possessed Dark Arts abilities this game, they would probably read up on it or make sure they understood their abilities.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 amwhat about me, owner? Give DH a break and flag me for a bit.
Technically, what you said is some form of mechanical-talk or a retelling of information, in which some of it is free to us. But it doesn't necessarily solve us the game or anything.
It's potenitally the kind of post meant to look like a person is being useful, but in reality, they aren't truly really adding to the thread.
"The Dark Arts Stuff" - if you've got Dark Arts on the mind and someone says Deathly Hallows, you might confuse the two. Freudian Slippage.
"I remember reading the stuff about it but not nearly picking up enough...." - [Secrets] and "Keep what you kill" doesn't strike me as hard to retain.
IDK thinking out loud, the best indicator of an actual slip here is conflating "Dark Arts" with "Deathly Hallows" because she had "Dark Arts" on the mind.
. . . maybe. I was thinking of the the opposite way. If Owner didn't read through all the rules, it's not surprising that Deathly Hallows and Dark Arts could get mixed together. Death and Dark start with the same letter and both sound evil.IDK thinking out loud, the best indicator of an actual slip here is conflating "Dark Arts" with "Deathly Hallows" because she had "Dark Arts" on the mind.
Sure.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:19 am
. . . maybe. I was thinking of the the opposite way. If Owner didn't read through all the rules, it's not surprising that Deathly Hallows and Dark Arts could get mixed together. Death and Dark start with the same letter and both sound evil.IDK thinking out loud, the best indicator of an actual slip here is conflating "Dark Arts" with "Deathly Hallows" because she had "Dark Arts" on the mind.
I was taking the unfamiliarity the opposite way, while you were taking the Fruedian side of it.
I see your side now, but I don't think I can make that conclusion.
linki: yo this
I think I associate Dark Arts with Deathly Hallows as they are relatively both dark things. Or in my mind, both relate to the one who isn't to be named. The Deathly Hallows wouldn't exist without the dark arts I think.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:14 amOk I'll walk you though it, because I love you.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:05 am=.=DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:03 amNo I mean did she scumslip. They're two completely different things. One of them you were talking about, the other one you weren't.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:02 amI don't know how that would be a slip. They're two completely different things.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:00 am Did Owner slip when she conflated Dark Arts and Deathly Hallows mechanics?
... unless you meant townslip.
Yeah I don't get it.
Here you explain the Deathly Hallows mechanic. Which, since they're all locked behind secrets, the basic gist is "You get one if you kill the guys that have them or if you're the last vote on the guys that have one"
Here Owner says "Dark Arts" and not "Deathly Hallows". Her exact quote will be helpful in understanding my thought process so here:
"The intricacies of" - What's intricate about [SECRET] and "Keep what you kill"Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:12 amYou knowing the intricacies of the Dark Arts stuff and sharing it could be an act to try to buy townie points. I remember reading the stuff about it but not nearly picking up enough about it to understand it all. Basically, if someone had or possessed Dark Arts abilities this game, they would probably read up on it or make sure they understood their abilities.speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:04 amwhat about me, owner? Give DH a break and flag me for a bit.
Technically, what you said is some form of mechanical-talk or a retelling of information, in which some of it is free to us. But it doesn't necessarily solve us the game or anything.
It's potenitally the kind of post meant to look like a person is being useful, but in reality, they aren't truly really adding to the thread.
"The Dark Arts Stuff" - if you've got Dark Arts on the mind and someone says Deathly Hallows, you might confuse the two. Freudian Slippage.
"I remember reading the stuff about it but not nearly picking up enough...." - [Secrets] and "Keep what you kill" doesn't strike me as hard to retain.
IDK thinking out loud, the best indicator of an actual slip here is conflating "Dark Arts" with "Deathly Hallows" because she had "Dark Arts" on the mind.
I did comment on speedychuck though, but he didn't plan on sticking around.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:27 am I could get behind the Freudian slip angle, especially since speedchuck asked her to comment on him so she may have been off guard when responding.
I wish I had meta on you. I can read this post both ways, but part me, kind of wants to read you town for it. Could Glorfindel be with jay? Or enjoys playing with friends thing?Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:15 amSure. On that same basis, if he's bad, I'd much prefer him dead. How do you think he'll reveal himself? Do you have any scum-3J tells to share?Glorfindel wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 7:37 amI’m not sure what you mean by this remark, Quin? My personal view is that Jay is a fellow of superior intellect and capable of analysis far beyond that of mere mortals. On that basis, if he’s Town, I’d much prefer him on our side. If by some fluke he’s bad, he’ll reveal himself later down the track. I think he’s far more useful to us alive.
If you were by some chance referring to my last game here with Golden, I’ll confess - I do so wish he was playing this game. It would make my decision here infinitely easier.
I think there's a recurring theme when you play mafia where you prefer not to lynch the people you get along well with. That's normal, I'm not trying to tell you off or anything. But at the same time I think you need to be more mindful that we only get so much time in a game and we can't spend it protecting the people we like.
Or maybe I'm completely wrong about you.
Putting his usefulness if he's a civilian aside, do you actually think he is a civilian?
Cool so I'm now 80% sure you slipped up.I think I associate Dark Arts with Deathly Hallows as they are relatively both dark things. Or in my mind, both relate to the one who isn't to be named. The Deathly Hallows wouldn't exist without the dark arts I think.
It's like when I say scum. When I think of scum, I think both mafia and 3p (third party) are scum. Some sites like NF have taught me sometimes indies aren't scum.
I agree about epi but why owner?
mmm I guess I agree looking at that post againLunalee wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:21 amPretty sure Owner is town.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:54 pmYay!! You actually understood me. That is correct.DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:49 pm I feel different than I did in the game you scum read me, but you scum read me in this game as well.
Yes, it might be weird to some, but I guess I'm waiting for you to do something to prove me wrong. I can't explain what that is, but I'll know it when I see it...if it even happens though, which it might not.
I'm in the Shogi and Science clubspeedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:25 amI'm more of a Go-Soccer player myself.Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:23 amI would say I play like chess but think like go.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 9:29 am I've had btsc with epi and juliets before, that was definitely a conversation that would have been had in btsc instead of the thread. That's why epi pointed it out.
@Owner of a Lonely Heart if you suspect DH I suggest giving him a lil rope to hang himself with instead of attacking his every move. Mafia is more like chess and less like tag imo
what about it? I was (and still am) legitimately confused. Epi's question wasn't originally directed at juliets (and it was clear that she wouldn't be likely to know the answer) so why would it have happened in btsc, I just don't get itColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:26 am This one too:
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:11 am....I don't understand. Why would your question about when the spoilery thing happened in the series have come up in btsc with juliets rather than in the thread HP talk? Why are you drawing a connection to juliets before there was one?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:21 pmThere isn't any logic to it. I've been bad with juliets before, and juliets loves chat (see: discord). We would have been talking this stuff up, and juliets asks questions about things even when bad.
So my point is this:
juliets and I are not bad teammates together.
Use that. Work with it. Bye.