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[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], why do you lean town on Mac?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:49 am

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:43 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:39 am Do we know how many wolves there are?

I love setup speculation, so based on the setup I'd say we are not in a 1v10 and we have atleast 2 wolves. The PRs are closed information so we can't guess the scumbalance in this game until flips happen.

I have bad knowledge about Persona 5 but I don't exclude a solid mafia of atleast 2 people.

Well we aren’t in a 1v10 because definitionally that is not mafia and I’d throw a temper tantrum. I was thinking 3. That too many? Safe to say 2 or 3 in any case?
What’s a PR

A PR is a powerrole, since they are unknown to us we can't clearly guess how the balance will be.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:49 am

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:43 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:39 am Do we know how many wolves there are?

I love setup speculation, so based on the setup I'd say we are not in a 1v10 and we have atleast 2 wolves. The PRs are closed information so we can't guess the scumbalance in this game until flips happen.

I have bad knowledge about Persona 5 but I don't exclude a solid mafia of atleast 2 people.

Well we aren’t in a 1v10 because definitionally that is not mafia and I’d throw a temper tantrum. I was thinking 3. That too many? Safe to say 2 or 3 in any case?
What’s a PR

Also a 1v10 is possible, it would just be a cultgame or a MV (Multivoter) game

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:51 am I like Rej.

To expand:

Mere effort isn't especially meaningful, but the flavor of that effort can be. I think Rej looks authentic in that his effort is coming in this continuous stream at a quick pace; he is dropping stances fluidly, responding quickly to queries, and seems unconcerned with how people interact with those stances relative to his own status in the game. So neato.

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:55 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:49 am

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:43 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:39 am Do we know how many wolves there are?

I love setup speculation, so based on the setup I'd say we are not in a 1v10 and we have atleast 2 wolves. The PRs are closed information so we can't guess the scumbalance in this game until flips happen.

I have bad knowledge about Persona 5 but I don't exclude a solid mafia of atleast 2 people.

Well we aren’t in a 1v10 because definitionally that is not mafia and I’d throw a temper tantrum. I was thinking 3. That too many? Safe to say 2 or 3 in any case?
What’s a PR

Also a 1v10 is possible, it would just be a cultgame or a MV (Multivoter) game

Okay sure I don’t know what those are

[mention]sprityo[/mention], I like your attitude so far and I want to give you the coveted civilian sticker. I can't justify that though without more stuff. Please give me more stuff. Even if it's just a little bit of stuff. No stress. As much stuff as you can offer. K.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:57 am

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:55 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:49 am

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:43 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:39 am Do we know how many wolves there are?

I love setup speculation, so based on the setup I'd say we are not in a 1v10 and we have atleast 2 wolves. The PRs are closed information so we can't guess the scumbalance in this game until flips happen.

I have bad knowledge about Persona 5 but I don't exclude a solid mafia of atleast 2 people.

Well we aren’t in a 1v10 because definitionally that is not mafia and I’d throw a temper tantrum. I was thinking 3. That too many? Safe to say 2 or 3 in any case?
What’s a PR

Also a 1v10 is possible, it would just be a cultgame or a MV (Multivoter) game

Okay sure I don’t know what those are

never played a cult game?

a multivoter is a serial that gains +1 vote for each successful lynched townie, and his goal is to outvote town

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:00 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:57 am

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:55 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:49 am

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:43 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:39 am Do we know how many wolves there are?

I love setup speculation, so based on the setup I'd say we are not in a 1v10 and we have atleast 2 wolves. The PRs are closed information so we can't guess the scumbalance in this game until flips happen.

I have bad knowledge about Persona 5 but I don't exclude a solid mafia of atleast 2 people.

Well we aren’t in a 1v10 because definitionally that is not mafia and I’d throw a temper tantrum. I was thinking 3. That too many? Safe to say 2 or 3 in any case?
What’s a PR

Also a 1v10 is possible, it would just be a cultgame or a MV (Multivoter) game

Okay sure I don’t know what those are

never played a cult game?

a multivoter is a serial that gains +1 vote for each successful lynched townie, and his goal is to outvote town

No I play normal mafia and occasionally crazy mafia but typically there’s like a mafia
Okay my guess is cult can recruit people I guess that’s mafiaesque but I also would not like it

And i don’t play as much normal mafia as I would need to to know what a reasonable game setup would be here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:22 pm I mean I was literally parodying myself in that ISO.

I want you to play the game the way you want to. In order for you to do that you have to be able to roll with the punches. You must surely by now be able to predict how people respond to you not being the Jay everyone expects? If you are able to, then you can react in ways that don't provoke them further.

Thanks coach, but this post stinks. I was "rolling with the punches"; this serves no purpose other than to look supportive and level.

Heists are intended to resemble classically-styled Mafia, so weird wrinkles like cults are unlikely. Who cares anyway, we'll see what happens.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:36 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:22 pm I mean I was literally parodying myself in that ISO.

I want you to play the game the way you want to. In order for you to do that you have to be able to roll with the punches. You must surely by now be able to predict how people respond to you not being the Jay everyone expects? If you are able to, then you can react in ways that don't provoke them further.

Also you questioned the legitimacy of nutella's provocation, and now you imply in this post that her provocation was sensible given my own conduct.

Nice.

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:39 am Mac plays like a flexible towny,

Please show me the flexibility you have observed.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:13 am Heists are intended to resemble classically-styled Mafia, so weird wrinkles like cults are unlikely. Who cares anyway, we'll see what happens.

oh okay, I thought it was unlikely I just generally chatted with TSP, but thanks for the clarification. There seems to be a bunch of people that don't like that kind of setups.

Atleast clarifying the setup makes us include the hunt for atleast a duo scum interaction.

Also I can Iso Mac's post, just give me some time. I start getting hungry (in real life ofcs xd)

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention], where are you at now in terms of reads? I reviewed your 53 posts and saw only a few:

[Creature lean town via WIFOM]
[Dragomir/Jack similar, slight orange]
[Epi GTH scum]

Do you still feel these reads? What about other people?

I'll be around sporadically today/tomorrow. I've a wake/funeral to attend (I promise this isn't Benson the cat shit).

I just realized now that town hunting for this game is optimal considering the game's size thus PoE proving quite beneficial.

11 players:
-Creature - town
-Dragomir - town
-Epignosis - town
-Jackofhearts2005
-JaggedJimmyJay - town
-Long Con - town just cause
-MacDougall
-nutella - town
-Rej - town
-sprityo - town
-TonyStarkPrime

So I've singled my reads down to 3 ppl. I believe the setup is looking like a 9v2. One of those sus reads are town(or maybe all of them but I don't like that idea). Ima do an iso on them to narrow down to my strongest 2.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:59 am Sprityo, I like your attitude so far and I want to give you the coveted civilian sticker. I can't justify that though without more stuff. Please give me more stuff. Even if it's just a little bit of stuff. No stress. As much stuff as you can offer. K.

Yeah let me add that sticker to my Boy Scout sashe

Right next to my 10 “I hate Mac’s idea” patches

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:42 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:37 pm

If I had a townread on Jay, I'd point out that he's going after me.

This is a rather curious post. I'll have to marinate on it.

Did you not get the joke?

Yes it that's not what I find curious about it.

-JaggedJimmyJay
-Dragomir
-nutella
-Rej
-Long Con

-MacDougall
-Epignosis
-Jackofhearts2005
-TonyStarkPrime
-Creature

I skimmed through the 8 pages, I split the player list in half since bigger numbers are easier to see, and i'll be working from the bottom pool until further notice as scum candidates and assuming the top half are town. Long Con Pending.

Hey sprit. Tell me about creature. Why shouldn't I townread him?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:52 am Jackofhearts2005, why do you lean town on Mac?

Because he claims to have not known Speed was the host, townreads me and scumreads you.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:42 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:37 pm

If I had a townread on Jay, I'd point out that he's going after me.

This is a rather curious post. I'll have to marinate on it.

Did you not get the joke?

Yes it that's not what I find curious about it.

Okay. What is?

Why am I in everyone's town reads? How am I in everyone's town reads?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:07 pm Why am I in everyone's town reads? How am I in everyone's town reads?

Cause you’re projecting townieness.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:42 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:37 pm

If I had a townread on Jay, I'd point out that he's going after me.

This is a rather curious post. I'll have to marinate on it.

Did you not get the joke?

Yes it that's not what I find curious about it.

Okay. What is?

It's mostly the "if I had a townread on Jay" part. Just gave me a funny feeling that might be a good thing/reason for me to feel better about you but I haven't quite sorted out how I feel about it or to what degree. Just part of my psycholinguistic analysis

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:52 am Jackofhearts2005, why do you lean town on Mac?

Because he claims to have not known Speed was the host, townreads me and scumreads you.

Why can’t mafia Mac make the same error?

The latter two points sound like a great pocket.

[mention]nutella[/mention] what's your immediate impression of Rej?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:27 pm -JaggedJimmyJay
-Dragomir
-nutella
-Rej
-Long Con

-MacDougall
-Epignosis
-Jackofhearts2005
-TonyStarkPrime
-Creature

I skimmed through the 8 pages, I split the player list in half since bigger numbers are easier to see, and i'll be working from the bottom pool until further notice as scum candidates and assuming the top half are town. Long Con Pending.

Thanks.

Does anybody read Epignosis as a civilian?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:16 pm @nutella what's your immediate impression of Rej?

Fine

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:58 am I just realized now that town hunting for this game is optimal considering the game's size thus PoE proving quite beneficial.

11 players:
-Creature - town
-Dragomir - town
-Epignosis - town
-Jackofhearts2005
-JaggedJimmyJay - town
-Long Con - town just cause
-MacDougall
-nutella - town
-Rej - town
-sprityo - town
-TonyStarkPrime

So I've singled my reads down to 3 ppl. I believe the setup is looking like a 9v2. One of those sus reads are town(or maybe all of them but I don't like that idea). Ima do an iso on them to narrow down to my strongest 2.

Please tell me about your Epi and sprityo reads.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:07 pm Why am I in everyone's town reads? How am I in everyone's town reads?

Sometimes players project their innocence early and often to such an extent that it feels almost obvious -- you're such a case here. It started in your initial reactions to me and has continued in nearly all of your posts. Keep doing what you're doing; it's critical to the POE.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:25 am @
TonyStarkPrime, where are you at now in terms of reads? I reviewed your 53 posts and saw only a few:

[Creature lean town via WIFOM]
[Dragomir/Jack similar, slight orange]
[Epi GTH scum]

Do you still feel these reads? What about other people?

Well that’s a curated list feels like
Creature town, Rej slight town, Drago more scum than Jack or Epi, Nutella scummish Mac probably town no reads on anybody else

Dragomir wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:07 pm Why am I in everyone's town reads? How am I in everyone's town reads?

Either you’re scum or scum decided that they want doctor bait is my guess

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:26 pmDrago more scum than [x]

Very against the grain.

If you could summarize your suspicion of Drago in a few words or a sentence, how might you do so?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:27 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:26 pmDrago more scum than [x]

Very against the grain.

If you could summarize your suspicion of Drago in a few words or a sentence, how might you do so?

Drago started with the “conveniently take the argument of someone else and then be surprised that you have the same argument” (town is disappointed to have the same argument as someone else)
Drago is behaving unlike he has in the two games I just played where he was town
Drago is doing the thing scum does when they get good day 1 reads and then try to compound on townie value by doing the exact same things

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:12 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:52 am Jackofhearts2005, why do you lean town on Mac?

Because he claims to have not known Speed was the host, townreads me and scumreads you.

Why can’t mafia Mac make the same error?

The latter two points sound like a great pocket.

Mafia interacts with the host more than town does in the pregame.

Yeah? I thought I was town and Mac was scum in your book. Just gonna keep going back and forth until I allow myself to be buddied or you discredit me or what?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:11 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:13 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 12:42 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:37 pm

If I had a townread on Jay, I'd point out that he's going after me.

This is a rather curious post. I'll have to marinate on it.

Did you not get the joke?

Yes it that's not what I find curious about it.

Okay. What is?

It's mostly the "if I had a townread on Jay" part. Just gave me a funny feeling that might be a good thing/reason for me to feel better about you but I haven't quite sorted out how I feel about it or to what degree. Just part of my psycholinguistic analysis

Well psycholinguisticly, I do look pretty town I guess.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:34 pm Mafia interacts with the host more than town does in the pregame.

Yeah? I thought I was town and Mac was scum in your book. Just gonna keep going back and forth until I allow myself to be buddied or you discredit me or what?

I'm saying it looks like a great pocket of you by Mac. You'd thus be in the pocket instead of putting someone else in a pocket. Capische?

The first point is silly WIFOM anyway and I do not care at all.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:34 pmDrago is behaving unlike he has in the two games I just played where he was town

How would you summarize the difference?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:39 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:34 pm Mafia interacts with the host more than town does in the pregame.

Yeah? I thought I was town and Mac was scum in your book. Just gonna keep going back and forth until I allow myself to be buddied or you discredit me or what?

I'm saying it looks like a great pocket of you by Mac. You'd thus be in the pocket instead of putting someone else in a pocket. Capische?

The first point is silly WIFOM anyway and I do not care at all.

Capischeee.

Let’s play gth.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 1:44 pm Let’s play gth.

Stands for Get The Helloutofmyface.

Garbage Timewasting Hokey-pokey.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:18 am

Rej wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:39 am Mac plays like a flexible towny,

Please show me the flexibility you have observed.

I will keep it short and simple based on the entrance and how he continued after the entrance.

Mac gave a short GTH after his entrance, followed by interacting with the other players, he doesn't have a clear stance, but provokes JJJ

The post afterwards no GTH reads, and he engaged with other people in no fast pace, but rather a pace I am familiar with Mac.

Without including deep meta knowledge, Mac screams town to me, or he is pretty pretty good in disguising as town.

That imho is flexible.

Grindelwald Takes Hogwarts

This time it's a real Day 0 ISO of MacDougall!


Who gives a crap about the inclusion of speedchuck? At best it's an error, which I maintain fits just fine for either alignment, and at worst it's an attempt at a derp clear. No thanks.

TSP and sprityo as mafia reads as of this post were at random number generator quality and are accordingly meaningless.


Softball.


Implied suspicion of nutella by bringing her frustration into question, but it isn't stated in clearer terms until later (after Epi provided the foundation).


k


Whatever that means


I don't know exactly what "cracking up" means in this context, or how Mac came to this conclusion. Meh. The read was very brief anyway.


k


Mac himself hardly believes in Epi's sincerity but half-subscribes anyway based on the fact that nutella and I have similar reads. Weak facking sauce. He was just our mafia teammate in the scrimmage, a game we dominated by way of complex orchestration of the thread. This time it's worth entertaining nutella and I as teammates because we have similar reads. Hard to believe.


This may be a joke of sorts directed at sprityo, but it still sets a tone and a climate by which sprityo gets moved toward a token D1 lynch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 3:22 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:53 pm

God, it all just feels so fake and reactionary. Like does town Jay really think this makes Epi mafia? I don't think he does.

We got heem

In which MacDougall grips hard upon Jack's confidence and squeezes him straight into the pocket.