The Syndicate

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:16 am i cant quote the actual reason but

boo's flip had a confirmed civ

and spiny really clearly represented evenstar as her unambiguously strongest townread

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:21 am i find it highly suspicious that sprityo was willing to talk to pawn and jack but when i ask him an easy question he's suddenly afk for 16(!!) minutes

and i find it highly suspicious that he pretty much ignores my existence in his catchup and asks epi about something that isnt epi's main push on me

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:30 am tfw everyones scum except me and eva

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:18 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:16 am i cant quote the actual reason but

boo's flip had a confirmed civ

and spiny really clearly represented evenstar as her unambiguously strongest townread

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how many of you remember spiny's read on eva

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:33 pm Here, I saved the wording of her flip:

"You are the subconscious aspect of conscientiousness.

You represent the mark’s steadfastness in the proper and thorough completion of tasks set before them.

You begin the game with the knowledge that REDACTED is an aspect of the subconscious and not an intruder.

REDACTED

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated."

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:38 am did you not read the thread after eod

boo flipped a role that had an automatic green on another player

a night zero inno peek

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:42 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:38 am did you not read the thread after eod

boo flipped a role that had an automatic green on another player

a night zero inno peek

Of course I saw it. What does that have to do with Evenstar? What did Spiny say that made you think it was her N0 green?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:35 am My conclusions:

I like Epi. I like his style of communication. I don't want to be on the other end of it.

His pressure on Rabbit was heavily predicated on EoD1 voting behaviour (gee, that sounds familiar) whereas I agree with Pawn that Rabbit's overall play has been very townie. To me, his macro play outweighs a poor voting decision. This could be re-evaluated if we knew, say, 112's alignment or Nova's (others connected to the D1 lynch in significant ways) but for now I agree with Pawn, as I find myself often doing, and consider Rabbit's play generally very clean.

Epi builds up some town equity with his case, although not in a way that auto-clears him, and I'd actually still rank Rabbit higher on my reads list than Epi. But he's moved up a lot and I admit he had me re-considering Rabbit for the first 50 posts of back-and-forth there. (Part of my hesitation also stems from someone in D1 mentioning Epi's strong track record as both alignments.)

I consider that a v/v interaction. Having never played a game with either before, I could very well be wrong.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:45 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:42 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:38 am did you not read the thread after eod

boo flipped a role that had an automatic green on another player

a night zero inno peek

Of course I saw it. What does that have to do with Evenstar? What did Spiny say that made you think it was her N0 green?

she said she was her top townread and it wasnt close pretty early on

she said every post of evenstars made her feel she was town

honestly this green peek isnt even that useful because evenstar is consensus town anyway but i wanna see if anybody else remembers

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:56 am i mean i know for a fact im not the peek because spiny voiced concerns about me and i dont know who else would be the peek

i definitely remember her strongest townread being eva like 90% sure im not making this up lol

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:46 am but pawns evenkeeled and ppl are antagonizing maybe hteyre all town and its pawn and radishes lmfao I DONT KNOW THIS GAMES SO FUCKING WEIRD

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:06 am im dropping bombshells like evenstar is lock mech town from boo's flip and literally nobody's quoting or reacting to it

what kind of a game is this

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:21 am Jfc what did I just spent 200 posts eading.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:40 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:33 pm Here, I saved the wording of her flip:

"You are the subconscious aspect of conscientiousness.

You represent the mark’s steadfastness in the proper and thorough completion of tasks set before them.

You begin the game with the knowledge that REDACTED is an aspect of the subconscious and not an intruder.

REDACTED

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated."

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:35 am My conclusions:

I like Epi. I like his style of communication. I don't want to be on the other end of it.

His pressure on Rabbit was heavily predicated on EoD1 voting behaviour (gee, that sounds familiar) whereas I agree with Pawn that Rabbit's overall play has been very townie. To me, his macro play outweighs a poor voting decision. This could be re-evaluated if we knew, say, 112's alignment or Nova's (others connected to the D1 lynch in significant ways) but for now I agree with Pawn, as I find myself often doing, and consider Rabbit's play generally very clean.

Epi builds up some town equity with his case, although not in a way that auto-clears him, and I'd actually still rank Rabbit higher on my reads list than Epi. But he's moved up a lot and I admit he had me re-considering Rabbit for the first 50 posts of back-and-forth there. (Part of my hesitation also stems from someone in D1 mentioning Epi's strong track record as both alignments.)

I consider that a v/v interaction. Having never played a game with either before, I could very well be wrong.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:02 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:40 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:33 pm Here, I saved the wording of her flip:

"You are the subconscious aspect of conscientiousness.

You represent the mark’s steadfastness in the proper and thorough completion of tasks set before them.

You begin the game with the knowledge that REDACTED is an aspect of the subconscious and not an intruder.

REDACTED

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated."

how is this not mech what

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:41 am Consensus bottom 3 appear to be:

Jack, Dom, Colin


Jack - I've flip-flopped on him at least four times this game. I'm back to sort of liking his play this round. Or maybe he's just reading the game so differently I'm assuming TWTBW?
Dom - Could be scum, sure. My hesitation is that his tunnel was on...iaafr? Scum were never going to powerlynch him out last round. Why go there? (Or was that his plan to avoid scrutiny?)
Colin - Reads to me like a townie missing a lot of info trying to get into a game with unfamiliar players. Nothing yet has pinged me from his posts. Nothing has cleared him either, of course.


Of the three I like Colin's addition to the group the least - I think as it stands he's not my vote. Plenty of Day left though.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:08 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:41 am Consensus bottom 3 appear to be:

Jack, Dom, Colin


Jack - I've flip-flopped on him at least four times this game. I'm back to sort of liking his play this round. Or maybe he's just reading the game so differently I'm assuming TWTBW?
Dom - Could be scum, sure. My hesitation is that his tunnel was on...iaafr? Scum were never going to powerlynch him out last round. Why go there? (Or was that his plan to avoid scrutiny?)
Colin - Reads to me like a townie missing a lot of info trying to get into a game with unfamiliar players. Nothing yet has pinged me from his posts. Nothing has cleared him either, of course.


Of the three I like Colin's addition to the group the least - I think as it stands he's not my vote. Plenty of Day left though.

So I'm guessing that you'd be replacing Colin with Sprit in your view? Or is it ES?

Since I know you've mentioned you think Rabbit, Epi, and myself are town and some distrust of ES.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:25 am

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:08 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:41 am Consensus bottom 3 appear to be:

Jack, Dom, Colin


Jack - I've flip-flopped on him at least four times this game. I'm back to sort of liking his play this round. Or maybe he's just reading the game so differently I'm assuming TWTBW?
Dom - Could be scum, sure. My hesitation is that his tunnel was on...iaafr? Scum were never going to powerlynch him out last round. Why go there? (Or was that his plan to avoid scrutiny?)
Colin - Reads to me like a townie missing a lot of info trying to get into a game with unfamiliar players. Nothing yet has pinged me from his posts. Nothing has cleared him either, of course.


Of the three I like Colin's addition to the group the least - I think as it stands he's not my vote. Plenty of Day left though.

So I'm guessing that you'd be replacing Colin with Sprit in your view? Or is it ES?

Since I know you've mentioned you think Rabbit, Epi, and myself are town and some distrust of ES.

ES or Sprit. Not sure. If Rabbit is right I have to back off ES, but a Jack/Sprit/Dom trio feels a bit bleh to me. So does a Jack/Dom/Colin trio. Are we really saying none of the talkative players in this dream level are mafia? (Jack is talkative, but on a different plane from the rest of us in his reads, I feel.) Like, I know it's possible, but I'm naturally distrustful of clearing the high posters and keeping our (non-existent) wagons to low posters and the guy with different reads.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:06 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:02 am

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 4:40 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 6:33 pm Here, I saved the wording of her flip:

"You are the subconscious aspect of conscientiousness.

You represent the mark’s steadfastness in the proper and thorough completion of tasks set before them.

You begin the game with the knowledge that REDACTED is an aspect of the subconscious and not an intruder.

REDACTED

You will win the game if all threats to the subconscious mind are eliminated."

how is this not mech what

...

I'm a moron, that wording does actually make sense for a peek. And you're presuming she just TMI'd ES hard since she could afford to? I could see that if we get confirmation as to how loudly Spiny yelled it. If only we could look back ;_;. Hopefully one of the others can answer the tag with a good memory.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:51 am And while I'm here at 4AM I would like to answer Epi's question:

Because that godfather play is exactly the kind of thing I would do as scum. It's a reasonable mistake ("godfathers are super powerful"in a game which makes them...
not), but it has far-reaching implications for gamestate because it lets you argue a different set of scum motivations. Assuming you're scum - and your push on Iaafr is really not winning you points in that category - you're using that to distort the gamestate and push faulty lynches.

In short, it smells like agenda and it's the kind of scumplay I would expect from someone of your apparent skill.

@Pawn Lelouch The iaafr push is bad. Like, really bad. Assume rabbit's town. Why might he have strong reason to not vote?

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:00 am

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:51 am And while I'm here at 4AM I would like to answer Epi's question:

Because that godfather play is exactly the kind of thing I would do as scum. It's a reasonable mistake ("godfathers are super powerful"in a game which makes them...
not), but it has far-reaching implications for gamestate because it lets you argue a different set of scum motivations. Assuming you're scum - and your push on Iaafr is really not winning you points in that category - you're using that to distort the gamestate and push faulty lynches.

In short, it smells like agenda and it's the kind of scumplay I would expect from someone of your apparent skill.

@Pawn Lelouch The iaafr push is bad. Like, really bad. Assume rabbit's town. Why might he have strong reason to not vote?

Bluntly iaafr himself already answered that earlier today and I concurred with him publicly since it's a play I would do. Assume the Drago lynch goes through and no lynch to make that more likely by removing a 112 vote while still looking on the surface suspicious. That suspicious EOD means you never die that night and there's enough self confidence in skill that you can talk your way off a lynch.