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I just went through her posts, and noticed a lot of questions and very little in the way of offering her own views. I've never played with her that I can recall; is this normal behaviour for her?
How are these real readsSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:43 am I’m unconvinced by the things Tony has said in response to me, but I don’t want the discussion to end there.
Long Con and G-man are the other two players I’ve felt directly suspicious of for more than a brief moment this game. I’ve held off on G-man because he hasn’t played in forever and he’s good company. And some of my pings could just be derived from his eagerness to get back in the action.
Long Con has felt a little flat. I may or may not be able to substatntiate that.
I am sympathetic to players who ask questions before offering views.DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:28 amI just went through her posts, and noticed a lot of questions and very little in the way of offering her own views. I've never played with her that I can recall; is this normal behaviour for her?
(I spelt "behaviour" the Australian way for the game. Also "spelt.")
I’ve read or skimmed most of the thread and my responses have been such that I came out feeling this way about things. I’ve expressed nothing firm or concrete here. Why do you object?nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:30 amHow are these real readsSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:43 am I’m unconvinced by the things Tony has said in response to me, but I don’t want the discussion to end there.
Long Con and G-man are the other two players I’ve felt directly suspicious of for more than a brief moment this game. I’ve held off on G-man because he hasn’t played in forever and he’s good company. And some of my pings could just be derived from his eagerness to get back in the action.
Long Con has felt a little flat. I may or may not be able to substatntiate that.
LC is fine imo from the way he framed his jack vote. Gman, idk no real strong opinion I guess but light town leanSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:49 amI’ve read or skimmed most of the thread and my responses have been such that I came out feeling this way about things. I’ve expressed nothing firm or concrete here. Why do you object?nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:30 amHow are these real readsSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:43 am I’m unconvinced by the things Tony has said in response to me, but I don’t want the discussion to end there.
Long Con and G-man are the other two players I’ve felt directly suspicious of for more than a brief moment this game. I’ve held off on G-man because he hasn’t played in forever and he’s good company. And some of my pings could just be derived from his eagerness to get back in the action.
Long Con has felt a little flat. I may or may not be able to substatntiate that.
mate its hard to roleplay and make choc a bloc posts at the same time
CrikeyQuin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:54 ammate its hard to roleplay and make choc a bloc posts at the same time
i reckon i'd call the coppers on nutella for starting the DF beef against jazza, that whole thing was a pissup.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
This is great stuff. Sloonei is town. Tony looks bad.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 pm Some Tony things:Why does this post exist? Michelle also called him out for this but my beef is slightly different. It's not that he's doing math, it's that he's putting these words into the thread. They're isolated, not really attached to or inviting in any further discussion. He just plopped some cursory mechanical chatter into the thread and moved on.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.
His progression on Dom also looks strange. Is strange bad? Let's see.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:48 pm I don't want to lynch Dom right now. That makes me paranoid.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?I do not know what the initial stance on Dom is supposed to reflect. Do Tony and Dom have a particular history together where the former tends to suspect the latter? He then calls on nutella to offer her allegedly expert read, indicating that Tony doesn't have a particular history with Dom, but then beckons anyone else to disagree with her. In all of this, Tony has done nothing resembling independent work to read Dom. He has observed Dom's presence in the game and asked a specific player to comment on it, then he has sought dissenting opinions all across Australia.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:07 pmOkay thanks for your opinion.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:10 pmI think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
anyone want to dissent?
What is your read on Dom, Tony? Does something stand out about him one way or the other? Why are you so interested in him here?
LOL yeah, because you found yourself in hot water and went into mega-defensive mode. This is not a reason to townread you.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:23 pmIf you’re town, at least care enough to help not lynch the guy who somehow got a third of the posts D1 without even telling a bunch of jokes.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 12:43 am I’m unconvinced by the things Tony has said in response to me, but I don’t want the discussion to end there.
Long Con and G-man are the other two players I’ve felt directly suspicious of for more than a brief moment this game. I’ve held off on G-man because he hasn’t played in forever and he’s good company. And some of my pings could just be derived from his eagerness to get back in the action.
Long Con has felt a little flat. I may or may not be able to substatntiate that.
Brother... I kicked off the game like that. You have to trust your senses in this game, if you start gaslighting yourself, then you're in big fucking trouble, mate.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:02 amLong Con’s ISO is a few jokes and some posts shoveling coal in the engine of the Jackwagon, like this one here. If he’s bad, he entered with a forced casual air and then pounced on an obvious and easy bandwagon. But as I type this out I have to ask if I really think LC would kick the game off like that.Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:55 am DF plays that way enough of the time that pinging him to play is fake because you already know from experience that he'll play how he plays pings or not. Filler content not real content. Flush Out Fillers, as they say. Done. "Answered" Wolf motivation: early seemingly useful but no really content.
Catched up until this post for now.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:18 pm Looks like me trying to delete the @ Jack bit.
Um...I’m okay at reading Sabie. She’s usually town when I play with her.
Yes about me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:37 pm I’m pretty sure this is solid reasoning. I think on probability people who take lines like Michelle are more likely scum and people who take lines like Sloonei are more likely town.
Disagree? Y/N
You filled the thread with more filler bullshit
No.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 pm Some Tony things:Why does this post exist? Michelle also called him out for this but my beef is slightly different. It's not that he's doing math, it's that he's putting these words into the thread. They're isolated, not really attached to or inviting in any further discussion. He just plopped some cursory mechanical chatter into the thread and moved on.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.
His progression on Dom also looks strange. Is strange bad? Let's see.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:48 pm I don't want to lynch Dom right now. That makes me paranoid.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?I do not know what the initial stance on Dom is supposed to reflect. Do Tony and Dom have a particular history together where the former tends to suspect the latter? He then calls on nutella to offer her allegedly expert read, indicating that Tony doesn't have a particular history with Dom, but then beckons anyone else to disagree with her. In all of this, Tony has done nothing resembling independent work to read Dom. He has observed Dom's presence in the game and asked a specific player to comment on it, then he has sought dissenting opinions all across Australia.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:07 pmOkay thanks for your opinion.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:10 pmI think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
anyone want to dissent?
What is your read on Dom, Tony? Does something stand out about him one way or the other? Why are you so interested in him here?
Sloonei lower than DF in these reads comes as odd for me, Tony never said nothing about DF as town iirc while he had a post comparing me and Sloonei.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 pm There is so little to pry on here.
Rainbowish from memory:
Me
Jack
Dom
DF
Sloonei
Sabie
LC
G-Man
——————————
Epi
Michelle
Nutella
this is nagl right I’m not sure what’s expectedMichelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:04 amYes about me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:37 pm I’m pretty sure this is solid reasoning. I think on probability people who take lines like Michelle are more likely scum and people who take lines like Sloonei are more likely town.
Disagree? Y/N
I thought is wolfy that you're doing the math day 1 because this may be a thing to pose in town carring.
Also I disagree with any playstyle comparison.
Sloonei's post was townish by itself and the mention of him being probably asleep at Eod and honestly pointing that his vote will last, I think this is villagery.
So you take my post and his post, make a comparison and find me scum? This is scumtactic from you and I notice a bad progression of you on me.
I responded somewhereDom wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:17 amYou filled the thread with more filler bullshit
Now... your posts don't reek.No.Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:04 pm Some Tony things:Why does this post exist? Michelle also called him out for this but my beef is slightly different. It's not that he's doing math, it's that he's putting these words into the thread. They're isolated, not really attached to or inviting in any further discussion. He just plopped some cursory mechanical chatter into the thread and moved on.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:19 am I haven’t played a game with a setup like this is a while lemme recap for myself. Three bad lynches allowed, find scum within six days.
His progression on Dom also looks strange. Is strange bad? Let's see.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:48 pm I don't want to lynch Dom right now. That makes me paranoid.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?I do not know what the initial stance on Dom is supposed to reflect. Do Tony and Dom have a particular history together where the former tends to suspect the latter? He then calls on nutella to offer her allegedly expert read, indicating that Tony doesn't have a particular history with Dom, but then beckons anyone else to disagree with her. In all of this, Tony has done nothing resembling independent work to read Dom. He has observed Dom's presence in the game and asked a specific player to comment on it, then he has sought dissenting opinions all across Australia.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:07 pmOkay thanks for your opinion.nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:10 pmI think he's town. He's doing his typical thing of gathered reactions to lots of little things.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:55 pm nutella, you've said that you're good at reading Dom in the past I think. What should I think here?
anyone want to dissent?
What is your read on Dom, Tony? Does something stand out about him one way or the other? Why are you so interested in him here?
And I don't like that I didn't see a response to this.
[VOTE: Tony] aubergine
Spicy
I didn’t know Quin was in the game until after I posted the list. And I really appreciate how you think my agenda is visible because of the positioning of two people. What’s my agenda? Save my teammate DF? Lynch Sloonei? Well if my agenda is lynch Sloonei then why did I say he was townier than you? That would have been a mistake.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:27 amSloonei lower than DF in these reads comes as odd for me, Tony never said nothing about DF as town iirc while he had a post comparing me and Sloonei.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 pm There is so little to pry on here.
Rainbowish from memory:
Me
Jack
Dom
DF
Sloonei
Sabie
LC
G-Man
——————————
Epi
Michelle
Nutella
And Quin is missing
Lot of reads coming out of nowhere, and his agenda for me is visible.
The first two things are patently false. The rest make me think Sabie is scum.sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:33 am I have suspicions on all three of the people with votes. In looking through Tony's posts a lot of his focus is on jack. He makes it a point to say "if I'm nightkilled jack is scum" and that he needs a few days to figure him out subtle ways of saying dont lynch me im town without actually saying it. When he was mafia in the past his main focus of discussion was his own teammates so if they got killed off he could be like see I'm not bad. Ive seen jack do this as well. Also his post making it a point to say how many mislynches we can have was a little sketchy. I see a lot of fair points on him and he hasnt done much to counteract these points.
Jack I've expressed my suspicion on him. There's a fair amount of back and forth discussion on him but I'm still leaning towards thinking he is mafia.
Nutella can be very difficult to read as she does often follow the waves of the thread but her response to things so far hasn't made me feel confident about her being town.
This day 1 is hard there are fair points on all three. Voting tony as I feel worst about him and his efforts thus far.
I suppose I’ll respond to the attacks cause I think they’re interesting.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:04 amYes about me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:37 pm I’m pretty sure this is solid reasoning. I think on probability people who take lines like Michelle are more likely scum and people who take lines like Sloonei are more likely town.
Disagree? Y/N
I thought is wolfy that you're doing the math day 1 because this may be a thing to pose in town carring.
Also I disagree with any playstyle comparison.
Sloonei's post was townish by itself and the mention of him being probably asleep at Eod and honestly pointing that his vote will last, I think this is villagery.
So you take my post and his post, make a comparison and find me scum? This is scumtactic from you and I notice a bad progression of you on me.
your agenda is to shade me. I think your attitude towards Sloonei is pockety .TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:37 amI didn’t know Quin was in the game until after I posted the list. And I really appreciate how you think my agenda is visible because of the positioning of two people. What’s my agenda? Save my teammate DF? Lynch Sloonei? Well if my agenda is lynch Sloonei then why did I say he was townier than you? That would have been a mistake.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:27 amSloonei lower than DF in these reads comes as odd for me, Tony never said nothing about DF as town iirc while he had a post comparing me and Sloonei.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 pm There is so little to pry on here.
Rainbowish from memory:
Me
Jack
Dom
DF
Sloonei
Sabie
LC
G-Man
——————————
Epi
Michelle
Nutella
And Quin is missing
Lot of reads coming out of nowhere, and his agenda for me is visible.
1. i said "doing the math in day 1? You are usually counting how many mislynches are needed for a scum win?"TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:48 amI suppose I’ll respond to the attacks cause I think they’re interesting.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:04 amYes about me.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:37 pm I’m pretty sure this is solid reasoning. I think on probability people who take lines like Michelle are more likely scum and people who take lines like Sloonei are more likely town.
Disagree? Y/N
I thought is wolfy that you're doing the math day 1 because this may be a thing to pose in town carring.
Also I disagree with any playstyle comparison.
Sloonei's post was townish by itself and the mention of him being probably asleep at Eod and honestly pointing that his vote will last, I think this is villagery.
So you take my post and his post, make a comparison and find me scum? This is scumtactic from you and I notice a bad progression of you on me.
1. Why didn’t you present this the first time? Is it because you just made it up right now?
2. TSP: here’s a post on day 1 I don’t like from Michelle. I think Michelle is scummy. Michelle: that’s a bad progression
jfc.. :/MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 7:47 am TonyStarkPrime was lynched. He was Karen Skinner, a vanilla townie.
It is night 1. It will last 24 hrs. PM night actions to me.
Flavour to come.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:25 pm So for those of you keeping score or if you need a map after I’m dead
Town
DF
Tony
LC
Townlean
Michelle
Quin
Scumlean
GMan
Scum
Nutella
Jury’s still out on everyone else, even Epi.
Never forget.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:58 am Whatever I’m falling asleep
legacy reads assuming I get lynched:
Nutella Michelle Sabie scum
Maybe 1 of Sloonei Epi LC? Haven’t gotten a strong feel on LC this game
I have a read on you (Town) and you have 9 posts as of D1.DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:26 amBut you're unlynchable, so it won't matter anyway.
I meant to respond earlier to your post asking us for reasons for voting you. I felt I was pretty clear in my earlier post, but to reiterate I think it's entirely conceivable that scum could try to instigate a low-risk lynch on someone like me in order to get a numbers advantage early, since in a game like this if I hang around until Day 4 or 5 like usual I could be a difference maker. I don't know for sure that's what you were doing, but you seemed to dismiss the possibility without any consideration, which was more of a bad look imo.
I don't find Nutella suspicious, so I don't plan on voting her. If you have a good case for someone else I'd be willing to listen.
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:00 amCrikeyQuin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:54 ammate its hard to roleplay and make choc a bloc posts at the same time
i reckon i'd call the coppers on nutella for starting the DF beef against jazza, that whole thing was a pissup.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
I will say that my main takeaway from today has been that Jack was in no way angling for a DFaraday lynch with his initial prod. I don’f know if I suspect anyone in particular for following up on it, but it’s the type of thing that could be seized upon by opportunistic bad guys at this stage.
I wouldn’t know since I wasn’t in those games.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 3:44 am morning o/
a little late at 9:30 AM, lazy and all ..
Catched up until this post for now.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:18 pm Looks like me trying to delete the @ Jack bit.
Um...I’m okay at reading Sabie. She’s usually town when I play with her.
Wait , when you don't play with her she is not town?
I see you give her a TR for a coincidence not for something game related.
Maybe you said more after, i'm going to read.
DF is higher than Sloonei for me. Nutella is unaligned with DF probably. I’d never ever defend DF if we were wolves together as he rarely endgames. Nutella essentially does meaning they aren’t wolves together.Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:27 amSloonei lower than DF in these reads comes as odd for me, Tony never said nothing about DF as town iirc while he had a post comparing me and Sloonei.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:17 pm There is so little to pry on here.
Rainbowish from memory:
Me
Jack
Dom
DF
Sloonei
Sabie
LC
G-Man
——————————
Epi
Michelle
Nutella
And Quin is missing
Lot of reads coming out of nowhere, and his agenda for me is visible.
This Jack-Sloonei thing makes me uncomfortable.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:01 amSloonei wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 2:00 amCrikeyQuin wrote: ↑Sat Nov 16, 2019 1:54 ammate its hard to roleplay and make choc a bloc posts at the same time
i reckon i'd call the coppers on nutella for starting the DF beef against jazza, that whole thing was a pissup.
[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
I will say that my main takeaway from today has been that Jack was in no way angling for a DFaraday lynch with his initial prod. I don’f know if I suspect anyone in particular for following up on it, but it’s the type of thing that could be seized upon by opportunistic bad guys at this stage.
Not as much as you may think. Late surges like that tend to be a result of civvie overanalysis/panic to make something happen when the poll sits idle for too long. Why stick your neck out to engineer a mislynch when civvies can be relied on to take care of it on their own?
