Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
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I've given epi a pass so far in here. My game just had a deadline and he was heavily involved there. We've got ~48 hours left here. He'll show up.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:19 pm The hell is Epignosis? I thought he was made of free time right now
There is a difference between presenting behavior as wolfy and presenting behavior and deciding it is wolfy. It would be different if your case on me made sense, but you are forcing negativity when it isn't meet, which I have already highlighted. I do not think this is you scumhunting in good faith.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:21 pmHere is the angle from which I see you as town:
You had a standard early Day 1 suspicion of me, and when I refuted it vehemently you responded with negative emotional energy. That negative emotional energy resulted in an "OMGUS", in your own words, which you have been unable to be swayed off of. This is understandable: I'd wager that my approach to the game is atypical based on your experience, and that the way I have handled my read on you reflects what you have perceived elsewhere in the past to be a "power wolf" trying to capitalize on some early momentum to get a vocal civilian lynched.
I did not make a big post detailing this possibility because there's nothing to pursue there. If I want to test my read on you, it is more fruitful to test the negative aspect of it. By positing my reasons for suspecting you, rather than the reasons to town read you, we can all explore the possibility that you have been lying, and also assess whether or not the basis of my suspicion is valid or honest as well. Again, this is how I scumhunt.
That said, I did touch on some of this here.
We have almost certainly gotten off on the wrong foot in this game. I acknowledge that I might be unconventional, but it is not my intention to hammer away at a single player. The volume of my content about you should not be mistaken for me having a confident read on you one way or the other. When I ask questions and when I offer speculations, I am genuinely looking for people to respond to me, especially the person I'm talking to/about. I apologize if I've come off as overly aggressive or hostile. That is not how I intend to play.
okay whatever. this is pointless then. I'm dropping it. Let's talk about other things.ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:31 pmThere is a difference between presenting behavior as wolfy and presenting behavior and deciding it is wolfy. It would be different if your case on me made sense, but you are forcing negativity when it isn't meet, which I have already highlighted. I do not think this is you scumhunting in good faith.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:21 pmHere is the angle from which I see you as town:
You had a standard early Day 1 suspicion of me, and when I refuted it vehemently you responded with negative emotional energy. That negative emotional energy resulted in an "OMGUS", in your own words, which you have been unable to be swayed off of. This is understandable: I'd wager that my approach to the game is atypical based on your experience, and that the way I have handled my read on you reflects what you have perceived elsewhere in the past to be a "power wolf" trying to capitalize on some early momentum to get a vocal civilian lynched.
I did not make a big post detailing this possibility because there's nothing to pursue there. If I want to test my read on you, it is more fruitful to test the negative aspect of it. By positing my reasons for suspecting you, rather than the reasons to town read you, we can all explore the possibility that you have been lying, and also assess whether or not the basis of my suspicion is valid or honest as well. Again, this is how I scumhunt.
That said, I did touch on some of this here.
We have almost certainly gotten off on the wrong foot in this game. I acknowledge that I might be unconventional, but it is not my intention to hammer away at a single player. The volume of my content about you should not be mistaken for me having a confident read on you one way or the other. When I ask questions and when I offer speculations, I am genuinely looking for people to respond to me, especially the person I'm talking to/about. I apologize if I've come off as overly aggressive or hostile. That is not how I intend to play.
TH isn't a player I read particularly well. His willingness to consider that we are partners is a little bizarre, but I feel like the recent shift to focus on me is more likely to come from a civilian Turnip than a mafia one.
I do understand.
Is drago town or scum?
Is drago town or scum?
I’m on the side that continuing on this point is a good look for the one being called Mikey for one. Further, I think the reasoning is sound.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:42 pmWhy do you like it?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:34 pmI like this post.ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 amThere exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.
So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.
Happy?
I do not understand what you like and dislike here.TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:53 pm Funnygurl earlier said that Ted was townish for voting Leetic because the vote was spicy. I like the reasoning. But I don’t like that for 2 reasons:
1) Leetic was one of only four people who had votes already
2) thats it
I see a lot of confirmation bias in Turnip regarding the last bit. That is what I'm currently pondering more than the first bit. I do not know how to unpack the sloonei/ts account world, so I do not know how to read players who are looking at it seriously yet.
Where specifically do you see this confirmation bias?ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:07 pmI see a lot of confirmation bias in Turnip regarding the last bit. That is what I'm currently pondering more than the first bit. I do not know how to unpack the sloonei/ts account world, so I do not know how to read players who are looking at it seriously yet.
What if we’re both town?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:11 pm I'm not really considering it seriously, just entertaining a reality where it exists
Then the game is more boring so farSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:12 pmWhat if we’re both town?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:11 pm I'm not really considering it seriously, just entertaining a reality where it exists
That might explain why things are so stagnant now.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:15 pmThen the game is more boring so farSloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:12 pmWhat if we’re both town?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:11 pm I'm not really considering it seriously, just entertaining a reality where it exists
I have read very little but I am exceptionally confident Sloonei is town so anyone accused of "starting with the conclusion Sloonei is scum" immediately bears analysis.ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:17 pm Post #342 and #346 seem to be confirmation bias because they show turnip is starting with the conclusion- Sloonei is scum- and then seeing the play fit into that pattern, rather than looking at the play and deciding that they are scum because xyz.
I don’t see it that way, but I also think TH is using language that reflects the approach I used with you earlier, so I believe I see where you are coming from.ts account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:17 pm Post #342 and #346 seem to be confirmation bias because they show turnip is starting with the conclusion- Sloonei is scum- and then seeing the play fit into that pattern, rather than looking at the play and deciding that they are scum because xyz.
But is it hard to view him through the lens that he's good?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:14 pm I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad
So when I started the game I immediately voted for Tedxtr for the kek. I later realised that Master Radishes voted for him and I observed that Radishes at that time had no votes. Given that Radishes was lynched as scum very early in the GOC I figured that he must have done something very towny to be skating, so I read his ISO and ... well found very little. But what I did find was a strong read that you are Sloonei the town as opposed to Sloonei the scum. I know Radishes is an exceptionally insightful civilian so either;
But it's April Fools for me and Sloonei knows I am in Australia and as such in the future. You tryna slander my boi?
This seems like a bit of a backflip.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:15 pm Like if the idea was for Sloonei to get involved re: mechanics and then for Mikey to engage him, and then for them to one up each other ad infinitum
Golden and I actually did that in Firefly mafia and neither of us got lynched
Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:28 pmBut is it hard to view him through the lens that he's good?Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:14 pm I started the day more likely to vote Mikey and now I'm thinking of voting for Sloonei. It's not hard to view Sloonei's behavior through the lens where he's bad
I believe you. I also think I feel similarly about ted. Master's team about to take back-to-back games.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:32 pmSo when I started the game I immediately voted for Tedxtr for the kek. I later realised that Master Radishes voted for him and I observed that Radishes at that time had no votes. Given that Radishes was lynched as scum very early in the GOC I figured that he must have done something very towny to be skating, so I read his ISO and ... well found very little. But what I did find was a strong read that you are Sloonei the town as opposed to Sloonei the scum. I know Radishes is an exceptionally insightful civilian so either;
a) He is a civilian and made an insightful as fuck town read that I should probably assume is correct
or
b) He is scum and trying to pocket you
I then cast a cursory glance at your ISO in the few fleeting moments I had to do so yesterday and saw what he meant.
I was going to sheep your vote at the time, I truly don't remember where it was ... I think maybe on ts account? But while this was unfolding I also made a snap read that Tedxtr is likely town because he has a similar gear shift here to you, so I decided to sheep him instead.
Not April Fools.
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:34 pmThis seems like a bit of a backflip.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:15 pm Like if the idea was for Sloonei to get involved re: mechanics and then for Mikey to engage him, and then for them to one up each other ad infinitum
Golden and I actually did that in Firefly mafia and neither of us got lynched
The completionist in me now wants to solve Epi.Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pmI believe you. I also think I feel similarly about ted. Master's team about to take back-to-back games.MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:32 pmSo when I started the game I immediately voted for Tedxtr for the kek. I later realised that Master Radishes voted for him and I observed that Radishes at that time had no votes. Given that Radishes was lynched as scum very early in the GOC I figured that he must have done something very towny to be skating, so I read his ISO and ... well found very little. But what I did find was a strong read that you are Sloonei the town as opposed to Sloonei the scum. I know Radishes is an exceptionally insightful civilian so either;
a) He is a civilian and made an insightful as fuck town read that I should probably assume is correct
or
b) He is scum and trying to pocket you
I then cast a cursory glance at your ISO in the few fleeting moments I had to do so yesterday and saw what he meant.
I was going to sheep your vote at the time, I truly don't remember where it was ... I think maybe on ts account? But while this was unfolding I also made a snap read that Tedxtr is likely town because he has a similar gear shift here to you, so I decided to sheep him instead.
Not April Fools.
What is your read on Leetic?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:53 pm Funnygurl earlier said that Ted was townish for voting Leetic because the vote was spicy. I like the reasoning. But I don’t like that for 2 reasons:
1) Leetic was one of only four people who had votes already
2) thats it
yeah ted and I did it last game but it only went on for about 6 posts total, and that was enough to seal the win in the end. It’d be pointless to drag an act like that out over several pages.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:46 pm For my feelings on the matter, while stranger things have happened, even when I pulled off the "argue with scumbuddy D1 about something pointless for distancing", I didn't do it for nearly as long. Sloonei and Mikey were quite dedicated in their argument, so I find it doubtful that they are w/w
The status of the game is looking really really good. I think you and me and the others are going to have a great time playing this game. Not every game of mafia ends up becoming a classic but I think this one's gonna be goodMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pm @Turnip Head let me gaze into your mind. I'd like you to write three sentences with a minimum of ten words each about the status of the game. Chop chop young man.
-5Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:52 pmThe status of the game is looking really really good. I think you and me and the others are going to have a great time playing this game. Not every game of mafia ends up becoming a classic but I think this one's gonna be goodMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pm @Turnip Head let me gaze into your mind. I'd like you to write three sentences with a minimum of ten words each about the status of the game. Chop chop young man.
Idk it made me laughMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:10 pm-5Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:52 pmThe status of the game is looking really really good. I think you and me and the others are going to have a great time playing this game. Not every game of mafia ends up becoming a classic but I think this one's gonna be goodMacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:37 pm @Turnip Head let me gaze into your mind. I'd like you to write three sentences with a minimum of ten words each about the status of the game. Chop chop young man.
