The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:45 pm What do you mean by “theory meta”?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:19 pm @TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?

I lean scum on Sloonei right now because these questions don't feel like they have any solving intention behind them. They're just filling out his post count. The first one especially rubs me the wrong way.

Now /this one’s/ not a valid read

Though

Huh

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:15 pm Vulgard: eggs that are like three weeks old but still totally fine because eggs last a while
Alison: chicken breast
Sloonei: bell pepper (closest thing to paprika that would be in a fridge. or I guess maybe leftover paprikash or goulash)
Long Con: maple syrup
nutella: doesn't belong in the fridge. but could also be ice cream in the freezer
MacDougall: haha vegemite haha i'm being real unoriginal. or maybe sausage
Funnygurl555: well she used to be baby carrots but i think shes like a spicy chipotle hummus to go with the carrots
Marmot: Oregon marionberry jam
Syn: dried out day old tim hortons donut
TonyStarkPrime: honey mustard
Poison: chocolate milk
Enrique: scallions

And the ppl not in the thread are not in the fridge but in the cupboard
Hyena: caramel popcorn
Quin: cinnamon
Trustworthy Liberal: seaweed snacks
Turnip Head: well...duh

What the hell honey mustard

Nutella is lock town for a Ran read reason

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:35 pm So um, I'm town and I think I'm the only one.

That’s two

Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality

So much talk about Vul, but one thing’s missing.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:13 am So much talk about Vul, but one thing’s missing.

Sloonei asked me what I thought of Vul more broadly, the answer is not much. I had the advantage of knowing Vul’s alignment the first time. But he threw out strong reads early and SRed me for the same reasons. The vote on Syn pings me for level 1 reasons, but he seems the same outside of the above factor.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 am Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality

Who's scummy?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:25 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 am Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality

Who's scummy?

Everyone besides Nutella and Marmot

I can run down the list if you want me to

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:27 am I can run down the list if you want me to

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:43 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

I don't remember a ton of detail but we had a discord, we could read the thread and discuss our thoughts, and we had daily choices on smaller or larger ways to influence the game (such as giving a certain player a power buff or something) and then a few phases in we entered the thread for a day and helped town solve the game and then left again

Could you guys do anything with the lynch or anything destructive from there?

I really don't remember sorry lol

You guys gave me a golden apple or something and I forget what that did, but it was something positive, and then I think you could vote on the day you were in the thread?

This was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.

I'mma follow LC on the self-vote.

That's a late follow.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:52 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:55 pm I'm going to do a host read here and say they'll rejoin us after N1 at the very latest. Having people sign up for your game and then be unable to do anything is pretty lame.

Eh, I wouldn’t trust this host read. LC and Jay only made one appearance in AC mafia.

This is not true.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:03 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:45 pm What do you mean by “theory meta”?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:19 pm @TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?

I lean scum on Sloonei right now because these questions don't feel like they have any solving intention behind them. They're just filling out his post count. The first one especially rubs me the wrong way.

Now /this one’s/ not a valid read

Hey, that's mean and not true.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:30 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:27 am I can run down the list if you want me to

From memory:

You asked me about a three poster and also asked a weird setup question which I told LC was a bad read but specifically those questions
Alison made a long post early that I thought fit in her meta but felt off — too long for its purpose, Alison is efficient. I quoted it. Other early reads from Alison feel similar
FG, well FG actually townslipped iirc
Mac said everyone was town and then accepted LC’s positioning dance
LC called you out for the questions, did the thing with Mac, is LC
Vul has like 10 posts
Poison feels a little stilted and said that you had god reads which felt weird
Enrique I don’t know Enrique didn’t do anything wrong really
And I think that’s it?

Oh and Syn. Syn didn’t do anything wrong either that I remember

But not doing anything wrong is a scum tell and I’m not even exactly joking

The problem is just that all of your scum tells aren't town tell scum tells.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:32 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:45 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:43 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 9:42 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

I don't remember a ton of detail but we had a discord, we could read the thread and discuss our thoughts, and we had daily choices on smaller or larger ways to influence the game (such as giving a certain player a power buff or something) and then a few phases in we entered the thread for a day and helped town solve the game and then left again

Could you guys do anything with the lynch or anything destructive from there?

I really don't remember sorry lol

You guys gave me a golden apple or something and I forget what that did, but it was something positive, and then I think you could vote on the day you were in the thread?

This was the game where LC self-voted for no reason and that confused me so much that I let him win at F3.

I'mma follow LC on the self-vote.

That's a late follow.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 12:52 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:55 pm I'm going to do a host read here and say they'll rejoin us after N1 at the very latest. Having people sign up for your game and then be unable to do anything is pretty lame.

Eh, I wouldn’t trust this host read. LC and Jay only made one appearance in AC mafia.

This is not true.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:03 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:45 pm What do you mean by “theory meta”?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:19 pm @TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?

I lean scum on Sloonei right now because these questions don't feel like they have any solving intention behind them. They're just filling out his post count. The first one especially rubs me the wrong way.

Now /this one’s/ not a valid read

Hey, that's mean and not true.

Oops nutella and Jay. LC made several hundred appearances.

Welcome to Tonytown.

tsp just be vibin

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:32 am tsp just be vibin

Loose and lanky.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:36 am But not doing anything wrong is a scum tell and I’m not even exactly joking

idk how to respond to this

I'll try to be wolfier

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 2:49 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:36 am But not doing anything wrong is a scum tell and I’m not even exactly joking

idk how to respond to this

I'll try to be wolfier

Nice immaculate play, sucka. That'll teach you to think you're better than us.

Wolfy pop in

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:35 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:30 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:27 am I can run down the list if you want me to

From memory:

You asked me about a three poster and also asked a weird setup question which I told LC was a bad read but specifically those questions
Alison made a long post early that I thought fit in her meta but felt off — too long for its purpose, Alison is efficient. I quoted it. Other early reads from Alison feel similar
FG, well FG actually townslipped iirc
Mac said everyone was town and then accepted LC’s positioning dance
LC called you out for the questions, did the thing with Mac, is LC
Vul has like 10 posts
Poison feels a little stilted and said that you had god reads which felt weird
Enrique I don’t know Enrique didn’t do anything wrong really
And I think that’s it?

These aren't reads these are just comments about people dude

You're definition mafia here with your scumreading everyone schtick btw

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Oct 24, 2020 1:12 am Mac came into the game and said that people were towny which is the opposite of reality

I categorically reject this POV and am diametrically unaligned to TSP for the remainder of the game

haha you're both town tho deal with it

#124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

#124 This is not alignment indicative for me, I always do this.

#153 Mostly the posts about me.

#165 Very aubergine.

I honestly don’t understand what’s happening in the thread. It feels like everyone is just doing their own thing (e.g. shitposting / talking about out-of-game stuff). Which is not exactly unusual, but it makes it hard to find mafia.

Alison has really, really leveled up since I first expressed my dislike of her posts. I currently think she’s way more likely town than I did before.

Poison is weird this game. She seems a bit… muted. The preflip in post #299 is also very, very odd. It seems to imply that Syn is town and one of me/Alison is mafia voting Syn, which is a bold assumption to make and possibly indicative of TMI. I know it is thrown out as some kind of “hot take,” but it still feels awful to me.

Marmot’s first post is kinda towny, but my snapreads are legendarily bad, so I won’t rely on them too much.

#345 I literally caught you on that last game.

#350 Is another one of Syn’s takes which I hate. What do you mean, “town for flooding?”

I like what Tony’s doing.

I also think Mac’s towny. Can’t really explain why, though.

I think I’m sitting on something like Sloonei, Mac, TSP, Alison town, Poison and Syn sketchy. Marmot maybe town based on a snapread.

Thanks forum for sending this twice, I only clicked once.

TSP's reads are so off kilter that I suspect he's trying to replicate his "crazy stream of consciousness" town playstyle. I'm not feeling the townread on him and I think "everyone is scum" is a pretty lazy way of looking at this gamestate tbh.

I always feel like TSP's logic is hard to follow and I've incorrectly suspected him for it in the past. But his logic in town games feels he's reaching out and trying together to piece together an explanation of the gamestate, even if it's bizarre and conspiracy theory-esque, and TSP here feels more passive, like he's already decided what view he wants to take and is just justifying it. There's a lack of dynamicism, "hmm actually" and "what if ?!" that I've come to expect from his town play. I guess he did do something similar in his read on FG but I don't think it changed his overall view. Which goes back to the problem really.

What she said

Alison scares me.
Alison is town.
This is not the way I get scared by mafia powerwolfing.
I'm not sure if I agree with the TSP read, but the way she plays scares me.
I know. Great read.

I'm not sure what to think about Mac. I like his aggressive pop-ins, but this feels like the type of thing he could do as mafia as well.
Would like to see him provide something more than that.

I'd like to hear the take on nutella specifically, because he posted about it and seemed to immediately change his mind after. I'm not sure what prompted the change. I read that segment a few times and don't really understand the thought process.

...Wait. Why's Marmot selfvoting?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:23 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:17 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:13 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:02 pm

Poison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:00 pm One of Alison - Vulgard is scum probably, do not like the syn votes on page 3.

Why are Alison and Vulgard not the same alignment?

I don't think two wolves would try and tag-team a case on D1, and have such a wide divide on the logic behind it too. Alison's case has "makes sense" value behind it, while Vulgard's simply fell apart at the slightest breeze. If they wanted to establish a mis-elim as partners, Vulgard would have surely come up with something better than what he did.

I don't think mafia would try to do a miselim stunt at the start of the day tbh, but the progression was bad indeed.

Also, it's Syn's first game on the site, so it would be especially predatory for them to dive on together. Not that they really need to care about that; that's an old Syndicater perspective.

I heard from TSP last game that old syndicate people don't kill newbs at night iirc.

Also hello

Let's catch up from where I left it then get back to the recent ones.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:34 pmAma

Everybody in this game is an item in your refrigerator. Who’s what?

Definitely food enthusiast.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:53 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:04 pm I don't like Alison's thin read on Long Con, I don't think it's reasonable to townread him for such a thing this early.

I like Sloonei, though. I like how he's already hardcore solving, and he's doing that in a way which doesn't come across as forced.
To answer his question -- I'm honestly not sure how to answer it at this point, because my playstyle tends to be pretty fluid. I usually try to find mafia and/or town through macro reads, and when I want to push a mafia, I case them, like I did last game. This means that I am invariably stumbling around blind on day 1 and only later developing the ability to find people's alignments with higher confidence.

TL;DR Focus on macro reads, gets better as the game goes on, usually.

Sloonei's posts don't strike me as "hardcore solving". Walk me through what about Sloonei's posts struck you as being particularly high effort.

True tbh, they aren't particularly "hard solvigg" as claimed by Vulgard.

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:00 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 4:57 pm
What about Vulgard? There was a back and forth earlier about Vulgard being possibly mafia, and he's given some game-related content.

His pushes were weak and ill-thought out, but I don't know that I'd commit to "he's wolf." I guess he's the best choice this very moment, as far as OMGUS goes.

I like this reply tbh.

Syn giving me good vibes probably, that's like the third comeback of his I liked.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:06 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:01 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:09 pm [VOTE: Syn] aubergine

I checked again and they have done nothing within their five posts. These posts were all spent on talking about themselves, their first post was a comment about the OP (which is not really game-related and is unlikely to out you as mafia when you talk about it as mafia), and they come across as trying to seem relaxed in the thread. Which is probably why they are spending so much time on "settling in."

I liked nutella's start, but I have some respect for their wolfgame, so I'm not going to pull an Alison and make a weakly supported solid townread on her out of nowhere.

I actually really dislike the highlighted section. I think my read was fine and I didn't pretend it was stronger than it is. I just said I liked him doing that and he looked good off it - but this is framed as though my read is overblown and feels like it's trying to discredit the way I was reading LC. This is particularly egregious because it's in service of justifying a waffle on nutella.

I should add to this: part of the reason I hated Vulgard trying to discredit my first post read so much, other than the baseline "I think it's bad when people discredit my posts" motivation, is that it is very common for mafia, especially mafia who have never played with me, to try to undermine my first post reads by framing it as being underjustified or based on little or no reasoning.

I don't know, but if there's any world where alison/vul are w/w I would like to look back at this post to either confirm or totally dismiss the theory. I don't know exactly what I feel from this post as of the moment tbh.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:30 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:42 pm @nutella you were one of the out-of-thread demi-gods in Assassin's Creed. What can you tell us about that experience?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:45 pm What do you mean by “theory meta”?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:19 pm @TonyStarkPrime @Poison what are your thoughts on this game's version of Vulgard compared to the version you saw in the previous game?

I lean scum on Sloonei right now because these questions don't feel like they have any solving intention behind them. They're just filling out his post count. The first one especially rubs me the wrong way. The only thing I assume about this Nanook game is that the out-of-thread element is not the same as his last game, because I expect Nanook to have a bit more creativity than that. I expect, at the very least, a fun twist on it that would intentionally subvert our assumptions based on the previous game. Standard 'sequel' stuff.

That said, I can't see what value Sloonei expected from that question. There's nothing alignment-indicative about the way nutella answers this, and there's probably little relevance to this game.

[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

This is interesting tbh and I do agree to some of the reasoning

Tbh everyone I played with before has been playing differently this game.

Mac different. [A bit different, both content wise and engagement/activity wise, though NAI atm]
Sloonei different [he subbed in and was catching up, could only see him play for a few hours on D1 I Guess, but iirc, they posted a good case against Saiyan]
Alison, Vulgard different. [Feels like a copied version of their last game with me. I could Town read them easily, but I find it hard this game.]
Long Con different. [A lot more enthusiastic, kinda feels towny from their approach so far in the game but it is different from his last game as town but I believe his reason for it though. Also, I won't be ruling out a 3p possibility for I remember someone saying LC is a good 3p]
TSP not so different from any game I played with him.
Funnygurl - only played turbos. Don't remember anything.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:36 pm woahhh so if sloonei's mu champ does that mean i'm the worst mafia player on the internet?

No me.